Posted on 02/05/2008 10:55:42 AM PST by Mad-Margaret
The killer of five women at a Lane Bryant store in Tinley Park made sexual advances on at least one of the victims before the slayings and may have targeted a women's shop to avoid confrontation with men, a source said Monday.
The gunman entered the store after 10 a.m. Saturday and chatted briefly with some of the victims before announcing a holdup, and may have initially feigned that he was making a delivery, sources said.
He then took the women to a back room and bound them with duct tape he had brought with him, a law-enforcement source said. He said that before the shooting began, the man made advances toward one or more of the women.
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I'm really torn on this. While I hate people searching my purse (what are they looking for?), I hate the fact that men's pockets aren't searched. Why should a woman be searched, but not a man? Men are primarily the violent ones, not women. I also would have no problem with a metal detector. So, as distasteful as this all is, you got a better idea?
The amazing thing about Jeffrey Manor is that so much of the nabe was built AFTER WWII, basically as an alternative to suburbia for plant managers/city workers. I know that it had a large Jewish population until the late 1960s.
Speaking of the last demographic point: I understand that the old South Shore Country Club did not allow Jewish members, even after the neighborhood became heavily Jewish. Its now a public course (with a nice view of the lake).
I am a law abiding citizen, I DO NOT and will not conform to any rules that deny me the right to defend myself or others.
You may find the metal detectors a valid argument from your perspective, however, those of us who have been in confrontations and know what kind of animals are out there, will never submit to being disarmed.
Just to add another thought for you. I would defend your life in a heartbeat, even though you would not.
I didn’t mean a guard and metal detector at the entrance of every store in the mall, but just at the entrance TO the mall. That certainly can’t cost that much. And, whatever the cost, every store in the mall, including the mall itself, could share the cost. There are usually dozens of shops in a mall, so if it was spread between them, the cost would be minimal.
I’m still not convinced that one of the victims didn’t know the killer. I just can’t get my mind around a robbery at a Lane Bryant in Tinley Park.
And there’s still no composite sketch of the killer!
Here’s an article from the neighborhood paper about the search for the killer.
http://www.southtownstar.com/news/776880,020508shootingfolo.article
Why would you need a gun at the mall? If everybody went through a metal detector, and no guns were allowed in, what would be the problem? I admit it’s not a perfect solution, but do you have a better idea? I’m just exploring ideas on what we can do to prevent our malls from becoming shooting galleries.
I'm assuming you're not being sarcastic here. I've got an idea for you. HOW ABOUT LETTING THE LITTLE PEOPLE GO ARMED? The murderers are armed, and the victims are not. THIS IS HOW THE GOVERNMENT WANTS IT. Or did anyone think that the criminal came in and took a gun away from one of his victims and then killed them with it.
The government wants several things. First that the populace be reduced to helplessness. If you're totally helpless, then you can't oppose the government, and that is one hell of a lot more important than the safety of any number of citizens. Second it doesn't want citizens to be able to defend themselves from criminal attack, because if they did, then the citizens might get the idea that they might not need so many donut sucking police and so many taxes to support them.
Frankly I find your attitude more worthy of Sara Brady than of free republic, but that just might be me.
From re-reading your post, he brought duct tape...and taped them...and held the gun on them while getting them all to the back room? And only one made it out? I think I am misunderstanding something...and I agree w/you...he may have had some kind of failed relationship w/one of the women. You would think that displays/mannequins could be over turned...a fire alarm pulled...something to distract the perp. This is just so odd and scary.
In other news a school bus careened off a bridge. killing 19.
I’m sick of school buses.
You are naive to think the criminal mind will adhere to following the rules.
You are naive to think that putting a machine in place for the appearence of safety is nothing more than a false sense of security.
I carry, because I can. I carry, because the police are not liable for my safety, I am. I carry, because there are people in this world who have no remorse for taking life from others. I carry, because I am a valuable contributor to society and not a victim to be slaughtered like sheep. I carry because I am trained and willing to defend others. Whether that happens is not dependent on me, but the resolution should it happen may rest with me.
Had ANY of those women been trained, armed, and able, they possibly would not be dead.
The message Concealed Carry delivers to the criminal element is simple.
You do not know who is carrying, and most likely will get shot trying to commit any atrocity.
This incident didn't answer that question for you?
PUT THE KOOL AID DOWN AND STEP AWAY FROM THE PITCHER! Are you daffy, trying to play Devil's advocate or are you just a trolling flaming liberal? I deal with criminals on a daily basis and I know what's out there. That's why I carry at the mall and anywhere else I happen to go. And when I get home, I don't put my pistol up. Although I live in an upscale neighborhood, that's no guarantee that a home invasion can't happen. Anymore you need to be prepared all the time.
I had no idea there was a large Jewish population in Jeffrey Manor. I thought they were farther north in South Shore and Hyde Park. Those used to be such beautiful neighborhoods. I went out with a Jewish guy when I was in my teens. His grandmother lived across from the country club. Her apartment was HUGE. They just don’t build apartments like that with so much character any more.
I was born in Hyde Park — at Lying-In Hospital. I feel so old.
Very well put!
Looks like you did all the typing for me.
I thought the same thing. Why rob a retail store right after opening? Most places only open with $200 cash in each register, plus this time of year people are still using gift cards and making returns.
Tinley Park is a nice place. I hope they catch this person soon.
I believe I stopped at this mall once. Really tragic.
Not Chicago.
This one is brand new, off 191st and Harlem. It’s near the Tweeter Center. The area has been really, really built up in the last few years.
D’oh! Never mind...you were talking about something else.
Slinking back to lurkdom....
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