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What We Conservatives CAN Do (vanity)
Kieri | 02/08/08 | Self

Posted on 02/08/2008 12:23:41 PM PST by Kieri

I've been on FR for over ten years and to my best recollection, this is only the second vanity thread I've ever posted.

Like most here, I've been angry. Frustrated. Disgusted. Fed up to my eyeballs. Pick your favorite adjective to describe the lack of a good, solid conservative candidate in this election cycle. What I need now is not an outlet to vent my spleen, but ideas to help make something positive happen.

I listened to Rush during the 1PM hour and he made a point that was pure common sense -- we need to concentrate on making sure CONSERVATIVES get elected to the house and senate, even if it's only to throw a firewall between the damage liberals (including McCain) will inflict on this country. Rush is right. Rather than waste even more energy on ranting about how we've been betrayed, I'm going to put it to constructive purposes.

I live in Michigan's 6th Congressional District, home of freshman Tim Walberg (R), a good conservative who ousted RINO and whiner extrordinaire Joe Schwarz. He's been rock solid in supporting and pushing for conservative issues and I plan to volunteer for his re-election campaign. His expected opponent will be Mark Schauer (D-Battle Creek), a typical tax-and-spender who voted for a midnight budget deal that not only raised income taxes on our already suffering citizens, but passed an insane 6% sales tax on some businesses that would've cost more for those businesses to implement than it would bring in tax dollars, or "investments" as our liberal governatrix now calls them. The last thing I want to do is inflict Schauer and his policies on the rest of the nation!

I'm going to vote in November, even if I leave the presidential box blank. In the meantime I'm getting in touch with Walberg's campaign to ask if they need help. It's small but it's productive, and I hope others decide to find their own niche. For me, the time for grousing is over.

So, Freepers, what contributions will you make? Suggestions can inspire, especially those looking for a positive direction rather than another lecture as to why we must support McCain.

Thanks for listening.


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1 posted on 02/08/2008 12:23:45 PM PST by Kieri
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To: Kieri

Yes, it is time to focus on retaking the Congress (thank you 2006 Repubs) and not on beating on McCain. We know what McCain is, what he will do as President, and like it or not, we are stuck with it. The alternative is just to hideous to even think about.

Focus on Congress — and vote McCain.


2 posted on 02/08/2008 12:25:56 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Kieri

I’ll probably write in Duncan Hunter in the presidential slot but I voted for Walberg and will do it again.


3 posted on 02/08/2008 12:27:31 PM PST by cripplecreek (Duncan Hunter, Conservative excellence in action.)
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To: Kieri
I think the best thing we can do is to organize, campaign, and make waves for a conservative VP choice. We could push Sue Myrick from NC. She is more conservative than Thompson and then it would not be just two old white men.

A couple of years into his presidency and a heart attack and then we have a real conservative president who already has all the local Mohammedans mad at her. Ha! It would bug the feminists to no end that the first woman prez is more conservative than any of the major candidates in the Republican field of ‘08.

4 posted on 02/08/2008 12:32:10 PM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: EagleUSA
I respectfully disagree. A vote for McCain is a vote for more of the same.

I can survive 4 years of grief if Hillary / Obama get elected (but I'll definitely encourage opposition to their liberal mandates for those for years). A vote for McCain reinforces to the GOP that we'll bow our heads and toe the line for the sake of "Republicanism" over "Conservatism". I'm tired of that. Take a stand now. "If not now, when?"
5 posted on 02/08/2008 12:33:42 PM PST by so_real ("The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Kieri

We’re going to need conservatives in the legislature, to offset the Democrat in the White House.


6 posted on 02/08/2008 12:34:36 PM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (It is not good to be better than the worst.)
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To: Kieri

Thanks for the post. I agree. What do adults do when something goes wrong? They work, and keep working, to fix it.

What’s better at this point? A Hillary presidency with a liberal congress, a McCain presidency with a liberal congress, or a McCain presidency with a conservative congress? “None of the above” isn’t an option, so choose.


7 posted on 02/08/2008 12:35:40 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Member of CRAM - Conservative Resigned to Accept McCain)
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To: so_real

I agree that the house and senate races have become much more important now.


8 posted on 02/08/2008 12:35:52 PM PST by cripplecreek (Duncan Hunter, Conservative excellence in action.)
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To: Kieri

I agree...I heard Rush say that to and he is right.

Let’s focus our efforts on taking back the House and Senate, something we can help to do....


9 posted on 02/08/2008 12:36:09 PM PST by Gopher Broke
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To: Kieri

Got to get a list to distribute among FReepers of House and Senate seats currently controlled by Dems which are up for re-election where we have conservatives on the ballot that we can support. We also need to support Sessions, Cochran, Inhofe, and Cornyn in the Senate. The libs are going to go after these seats HARD just like they took out Santorum and George Allen.


10 posted on 02/08/2008 12:36:19 PM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Ownership, Individuality, Freedom, Responsibility - The Backbone of Conservatism)
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To: so_real; EagleUSA

This isn’t a bash/defend McCain thread. There are plenty of those. I posted this in order to help those who are conservatives first, republicans SECOND, find a place where they can make an active contribution towards getting our fellows elected.

A conservative-leaning congress could go a long way in acting as a counterweight for the liberal garbage we’re about to see. We need them in office, and they need our help!


11 posted on 02/08/2008 12:37:21 PM PST by Kieri (Midwest Snark Claw & Feather Club Founder)
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To: Kieri

Concentrate on voting for genuine conservatives for Congress, get back the House and Senate.

In short, vote for gridlock in ‘08 to minimize the damage of the next 4 years.


12 posted on 02/08/2008 12:37:56 PM PST by Convert from ECUSA (A voter wavering between wanting radical change and burning the damn place down)
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To: Kieri

I appreciate your points, but we fought for Republicans to get the Senate and House only to have them increase spending more than the democrats. Throw in a few homosexual and bribery scandals, heck it was worse.

No thanks. I’m done if McCain is our nominee.


13 posted on 02/08/2008 12:38:43 PM PST by wastedpotential (A Reagan Bush conservative from OH and ..... an unashamed Huckabee supporter (as is Duncan Hunter))
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To: Kieri
I totally Agree. I will vote, but not for McCain, Clinton or Obama.

I will support conservative candidates from the lowest office to the highest one on a local, county and state ticket.

14 posted on 02/08/2008 12:40:07 PM PST by alarm rider ("The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -)
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To: Kieri

I’ll just follow your lead and post vanities on FR. (Just kidding.)

Seriesly, I’m with you — voting for conservatives down the line, write-in for Prez.


15 posted on 02/08/2008 12:40:45 PM PST by kevao
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To: Kieri
This isn’t a bash/defend McCain thread.

Can we bash Schwarz? Its lots of fun for those of us who know and love him.
16 posted on 02/08/2008 12:41:50 PM PST by cripplecreek (Duncan Hunter, Conservative excellence in action.)
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To: Kieri
Here’s my response for Senator McCain

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1966708/posts

Here’s my response for conservatives (a fellow FReeper passed this one along to Rush yesterday)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1966125/posts

17 posted on 02/08/2008 12:42:05 PM PST by backtothestreets (My bologna has a first name, it's J-O-R-G-E)
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To: EagleUSA

What are the best conservatives groups to join?

It’s time to roll up the sleeves folks.

And probably open the wallets too.

We took our eyes of the ball and got complacent.

But hey, that means we can fix it!


18 posted on 02/08/2008 12:42:41 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Kieri

With all the hoopla about the presidential campaigns, not much has been said about who is running for anything else. Good idea.


19 posted on 02/08/2008 12:43:10 PM PST by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: EagleUSA

McCain’s ticket MAY carry seven states.


20 posted on 02/08/2008 12:45:55 PM PST by kjo
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Join the NRA —— gun control == liberal, a litmus test that never fails. NRA has charts which sort the congress on 2nd amendment support.
21 posted on 02/08/2008 12:54:02 PM PST by Tarpon (Ignorance, the most expensive commodity produced by mankind.)
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To: Monterrosa-24
Sue Myrick? who is Sue Myrick, I’m a politcal hack and I’ve never heard of her. This is the same reason Hunter never got any traction. Zero name recognintion. If you don’t want old white guys, go with Steele or Watts, don’t pull out somebody who’s name I’ve never heard. The only way McCain could maybe get my vote is to pick Fred, and then Fred would have to sell me on the idea by telling me why he was willing to accept it. As far as female conservatives go, I don’t really know. I use to think Rice was one, but Bush has ruined her. I respect Dole, you couldn’t cram Hutchsion down my throat.... Any others females or African Americans you would care to suggest? I’m willing to push for one.
22 posted on 02/08/2008 12:55:04 PM PST by Robbin
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To: everyone

Not trying to keep the traitors out of the White House — remember, they’re going to surrender to the terrorists — is irresponsible and insane.

It should be BOTH president/vp and Congress — every time.

Causing a Dem to be elected president is reprehensible to me.


23 posted on 02/08/2008 12:57:10 PM PST by Technical Editor
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To: Kieri
At our last-Tuesday's caucus meeting I volunteered to be one of the delegates from our precinct to attend the county Republican convention later this month. The small influence I will have at this event will probably dwarf any effect my vote will have this November. The chairman at the caucus indicated that decent people need to get involved at this lowest level to provide a first line of defense against the corruption and silliness that would otherwise move into the vacuum.

Getting involved is not difficult. At this level, about all you need to do is show up and you're likely to get drafted.

24 posted on 02/08/2008 12:57:48 PM PST by snarkpup (We need to replace our politicians before they replace us.)
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To: cripplecreek
Can we bash Schwarz? Its lots of fun for those of us who know and love him.

Hehehe, he makes it too easy. Talk about a sore loser!

25 posted on 02/08/2008 12:58:47 PM PST by Kieri (Midwest Snark Claw & Feather Club Founder)
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To: Kieri
We definitely have to turnout the vote, and give the disgruntled anti-McCain voter (like myself) an alternative to the presidential ballot--writing someone in in the states that allow it (I don't know which states those are), Third Party (libertarians always seem to have a candidate), or leaving the box blank.

With some luck and energy, we might even be able to deny Hillarama the majority, and leave them stuck with a plurality.

We could call it the Vengeance Vote--might help draw conservatives to the polls to vote for real republican candidates.

26 posted on 02/08/2008 12:59:15 PM PST by Mamzelle (bull maverick party)
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To: Kieri
There's Delay's old seat in Texas that has a dem in it--that's one that ought to come back to us.

And how about Haywood in Colorado? I believe he was ousted through Rove amnesty shenanigans.

27 posted on 02/08/2008 1:01:11 PM PST by Mamzelle (bull maverick party)
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To: EagleUSA
re: vote McCain)))

No, I won't. And there needs to be an option for conservatives that will attract them to the polls so real republicans can be supported.

28 posted on 02/08/2008 1:03:22 PM PST by Mamzelle (bull maverick party)
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To: so_real

It only reinforces it if we lay back after the election and do nothing about the house and senate. If we put strong conservatives there to block any shenanigans then the message will be sent.


29 posted on 02/08/2008 1:03:32 PM PST by Blogger (Propheteuon.com)
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To: Convert from ECUSA

In 1994 we used the “adopt a conservative” plan. If your congress critter was a liberal, then focus on a new conservative face in another state. If some of the current conservatives are doing well, focus on those who need the help more.

In 1994 I was in San Jose CA(a lost cause for conservatives if there ever was one) and adopted 5 out of CA conservatives from various states, including the de-folyeate effort. 4 of my 5 won, including taking down the speaker.

gun control is your friend, it sorts the pile with one question.

Use the current lame congressional leadership as the demons, there are plenty of good attack themes which could produce results. High taxes and energy are going to be big issues, but gun control is ever lurking when Dims get into power.

Just don’t give money to the RNC and hope for the best. Give it direct to the candidate of your choice, or even better a 527 which is helping a candidate you support. Choose carefully.

FR is the perfect organizing place for this type of effort ...


30 posted on 02/08/2008 1:05:10 PM PST by Tarpon (Ignorance, the most expensive commodity produced by mankind.)
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To: so_real

Well said.


31 posted on 02/08/2008 1:06:25 PM PST by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Kieri

I’m telling the RNC ‘not this year’. I’m doing the same with the other party organizations. Then, I’m going out and finding conservative candidates wherever they are in the country and sending my contributions to them. In November, I’ll hold my nose and vote for the party’s nominee, but if enough of us take this approach we send an important message. Namely, “it’s easier to get the money to run your campaign if you support conservative issues.”


32 posted on 02/08/2008 1:09:49 PM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: Kieri
First let me say Thank You for a Level Headed Vanity post.

Rush is right, regardless of who gets the Oval office, if the Democrats gain enough seats to have a fillibuster proof house of Representatives we are in big big trouble. Even if the president was Romney, Thompson, Huckabee, Tancredo, pick your favorite, any of them would have a tough time having a successful 4-years if we give up many more seats to Dems. Many of us also have some important State races, and as Rush said they are our farm club for future National openings.

33 posted on 02/08/2008 1:11:21 PM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: Mamzelle

And the one in Florida that belonged to Foley.

Should be two easy kills ...

We need districts and names ...


34 posted on 02/08/2008 1:13:06 PM PST by Tarpon (Ignorance, the most expensive commodity produced by mankind.)
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To: Tarpon

There’s Rick Lansom in Texas (D) that should be easy pickins—


35 posted on 02/08/2008 1:14:26 PM PST by Mamzelle (bull maverick party)
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To: Mamzelle

It’s never too early to start recruiting conservative candidates. The Florida district had a good candidate, he just had no money or time once Foley quit.


36 posted on 02/08/2008 1:16:35 PM PST by Tarpon (Ignorance, the most expensive commodity produced by mankind.)
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To: NavyCanDo

totally agree with you and of course Rush! but what about the Supreme Court Judge issue?? do we want a Hitlery or Obomination picking them versus a [mc]Cain??


37 posted on 02/08/2008 1:22:52 PM PST by righteousindignation
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To: Kieri

I know what I’ll do in November, the question is do I even bother going to the caucus tomorrow? It has already been decided, so what’s the point of going and casting a vote. And if I do go, being Fred Thompson was my original choice do I vote for him now that Romney is out? Oh what to do what to do? Oh well maybe I’ll go, they always have free cookies and coffee and maybe the Ron Paul people will provide some entertainment.


38 posted on 02/08/2008 1:22:57 PM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: All

I heard the same thing from Rush nut if you know anything about politics what he is saying is not what history shows...congressional districts and senate seats are greatly affected by the Presidential race...coatails are from the top down as Reagan would say. If the democrates continue to come out the way they are now you will see a 60plus Democratic Senate....the problems in the house are very difficult as many more republicans than democrats are leaving...money is real tight...Clinton raised more than all the republicans combined...when you add what Obama is bringing to the table thats twice as much as George Bush raised. Rush promotes Rush...everything revolves around him. Cheney who I admire wanted Romney over McCain and is angry about McCains attack on Rumsfeld...thats why the VP was on Rushs show last week unanounced and Mary Matlin who works for the VP was carrying Rushes message on Russerts show Sunday.....this will all change as the VP will get behind McCain in a month or so. Why you people continue to fall for all this amazes me....Rush is a trickster his conservative creditials are lacking and don’t run deep at all. Look at the way the man lives his life not what he tells you he believes.


39 posted on 02/08/2008 1:24:57 PM PST by OnRiver (Who is a conservative really...)
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To: righteousindignation

“but what about the Supreme Court Judge issue”

I’m with ya. And don’t leave out the 200+ Federal Judges the next President will choose. As much as I despise McCain, I would prefer to leave that task up to him rather than Hillary or Obama.


40 posted on 02/08/2008 1:26:02 PM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: NavyCanDo
When it comes to state races, we've got some good opportunities here in MI - we just need good people to fill the slots. There are a few recall campaigns going (after that godawful midnight "budget deal" last October), and there's even politics and games by Democrats surrounding that. Two recall petitions were filed with identical language for two democrats, but one passed and one failed. The fail came when a judge who'd recused herself the first time stepped in and voted against the second.

Michigan is ripe for the GOP to pick up seats. The tax hikes have made a lot of people very angry and they're seeing parallels between Hillary and Granholm, rightfully so.

I like the "Adopt a Congressman" idea, too. I've got several locals including Walberg I can support.

41 posted on 02/08/2008 1:27:01 PM PST by Kieri (Midwest Snark Claw & Feather Club Founder)
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To: Robbin

Sue’s name recognition come from CAIR’s attacks on her. With VP’s it is usually not a name recognition thing.

Nixon picked Agnew and nobody knew the guy. Ford picked Dole and everybody laughed that it was a ticket that would be popular all the way from Ann Arbor to Topeka.

With Myrick you have somebody outspoken and anti-politically correct with a higher ACU rating than Hunter. Everybody would learn her name faster than you can say Geraldine Ferraro.


42 posted on 02/08/2008 1:27:08 PM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Mamzelle

And there needs to be an option for conservatives that will attract them to the polls so real republicans can be supported.
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Any idea who that is, since McCain has the nomination???


43 posted on 02/08/2008 1:34:49 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Kieri

Here’s an idea I had for something that we as Freepers can at least accomplish on Free Republic and reverse the course of RINOs co-opting conservatism.

It’s been posted to JimRob, no response.

We really should do something about these lockstep republicans on Free Republic.

It had become obvious to me when there was so much support for tootyfruityrudy on this website, which drove JimRob to finally open up the BugZapper thread. Now that Fred has dropped out, maybe JimRob will implement this suggestion I put forward on a couple of threads:

When all the smoke clears, if Hunter doesn’t get the nomination, I have one more suggestion for all of us remaining conservative freepers. It would make sense for us to have an idealogy score, a set of questions with rankings of how important the issue is and how strongly a freeper agrees/disagrees with it. We could all put these results on our home pages, so that when another freeper is debating with us (or us with them) we could just go to their home page, check their score on that issue & others, and realize “Ohhh, this is a Ron Paul supporter” or “ohh, this guy is a small l libertarian” or “ohh, this guy is a Big F FISCAL Conservative and a small l social liberal.”

It’s okay for FR to be inundated with RINOs or have a bunch of liberals posting here, as long as they’re up front about it.


44 posted on 02/08/2008 1:36:24 PM PST by Kevmo (SURFRINAGWIASS : Shut Up RINOs. Free Republic is not a GOP Website. Itís a SOCON Site.)
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To: NavyCanDo
Rush is right, regardless of who gets the Oval office, if the Democrats gain enough seats to have a fillibuster proof house of Representatives we are in big big trouble

Filibuster in the House?

45 posted on 02/08/2008 1:40:23 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: so_real
I respectfully disagree. A vote for McCain is a vote for more of the same. I can survive 4 years of grief if Hillary / Obama get elected (but I'll definitely encourage opposition to their liberal mandates for those for years). A vote for McCain reinforces to the GOP that we'll bow our heads and toe the line for the sake of "Republicanism" over "Conservatism". I'm tired of that. Take a stand now. "If not now, when?"

There is a precedent: Moderate Ford runs against Carter, followed by four years of malaise, followed by 1980


46 posted on 02/08/2008 1:44:56 PM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: Kieri
I hear what your saying, but Hillary or Obama are going to appoint the absolute worst judges to the Federal Bench and the Supreme Court.

You have to take the chance that we can press McCain to appoint better judges.

You also have to think about the world situtation, with Hillary or Obama, China may think they have permission to invade Taiwan and rest of the axis of evil feel they can attack the rest of the world with impunity.

47 posted on 02/08/2008 1:45:36 PM PST by Rodm (Seest thou a man diligent in his business? He shall stand before kings)
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To: Kieri
We need one page of these that are fronts and, one page of these for the backs, that we can print and cut, to fill the prepaid envelopes from the RNC and the ACU.

There will be a price to pay for supporting McCain.

We can vote conservative on Senate and House primary seats, and vote for anyone other than McCain one the Presidential seat, including a democrat in the general election.

48 posted on 02/08/2008 1:46:54 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Gopher Broke
I agree...I heard Rush say that to and he is right. Let’s focus our efforts on taking back the House and Senate, something we can help to do....

Michelle Malkin offers this counsel:

If you can't stomach John McCain, channel your support and energies to Republicans who do represent your values and who have treated the conservative base as allies instead of enemies. There is a new generation of combat veterans running for office who haven't made a career of trashing the base. Check out staunch economic, social and national security conservative congressional candidates like Iraq/Afghanistan veteran Eric Egland in California's 4th district. Check out the Vets for Freedom (vetsforfreedom.org) group for their endorsements.

Opposed to the amnesty bill? Republican Sens. Jeff Sessions of Alabama, Thad Cochran of Mississippi, James Inhofe of Oklahoma and John Cornyn of Texas all fought the McCain-Kennedy-Graham-Martinez-Bush open-borders disaster. All of those senators are up for re-election this year. Send them some money. Then send a few more bucks to the enforcement proponents on the House side, as well.

50 posted on 02/08/2008 1:49:52 PM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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