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Dems fear train-wreck scenarios
Scripps News ^ | 2/25/2008 | DAN WALTERS, Sacramento Bee

Posted on 02/25/2008 12:39:28 PM PST by mdittmar

Remember the political teeth-gnashing eight years ago when Democrat Al Gore won the popular vote for president only to lose to Republican George W. Bush in the Electoral College after weeks of disputed vote-counting in Florida and contradictory decisions by the Florida and U.S. supreme courts?

Many Democrats believed Bush stole the election and thwarted the popular will of voters. There were demands that the Electoral College system be abolished in favor of a binding popular vote. In several states, including California, efforts were made to compel all electoral votes to be cast for the popular-vote winner.

Democrats are engaged in a similar political clash again, but this time it's within the party as Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama slug it out for the presidential nomination.

Though Obama leads in delegates, neither candidate is expected to reach the 2,025-delegate majority, and the eventual winner may be decided by the nearly 800 "superdelegates" -- party leaders and elected officials -- who are not bound to anyone. And that's spurring an internal party debate that echoes both the 2000 Electoral College argument and the party upheavals of 40 years ago.

The riot-tinged 1968 Democratic convention pitted the party's establishment against its anti-war left wing. With Lyndon Johnson ceding the presidency and the left wing's hero, Robert Kennedy, having been felled by an assassin's bullet in California just a few weeks before, the establishment delivered the nomination to a hapless Vice President Hubert Humphrey.

After Humphrey lost to Richard Nixon later that year, Democrats instituted a massive "reform" that reoriented the nomination process to primaries. Then-Sen. George McGovern headed the commission that promulgated the new rules and used them to win the presidential nomination in 1972, only to repeat Humphrey's loss to Nixon.

Jimmy Carter worked the primaries to capture the nomination in 1976 and won the White House, but lost it to Ronald Reagan four years later. This created another internal backlash and new procedures that retreated from the democracy of the primaries and established a special class of delegates who, it was said, would protect the party from nominating an unelectable figure.

Over the last couple of decades, the Democrats' nominees have emerged early enough to preclude the superdelegates from playing a role. But this year they might be decisive, and so far appear to be leaning in favor of Clinton, who was the presumptive candidate before Obama caught fire -- ironically enough -- with the party's anti-war left wing, the spiritual heirs to the 1968 convention's outsiders.

California's superdelegates -- especially its Democratic members of Congress -- are caught up in the rising angst. Six of the 15 congressional members who have endorsed Clinton saw their districts vote for Obama on Feb. 5, while five of the seven who have endorsed Obama have voters who favored Clinton.

There's a strong undercurrent of fear developing among Democrats that a protracted and increasingly bitter battle for the nomination would so alienate independents and other swing voters that Sen. John McCain, the presumptive GOP nominee, would keep the White House in Republican hands.

What if the nomination hinged on seating delegates from Michigan and Florida, whose primaries violated party rules governing timing? Clinton won both disputed primaries and could go to court demanding that her delegates be recognized. What if the superdelegates tilted the nomination to someone who lost in the popular voting of the primaries -- especially if the Florida and Michigan delegates were in dispute?

It may all come to nothing. But at the moment, the prospect of a political train wreck is looming large.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; 2008dncconvention; democratparty; elections; hillary; obama
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To: mdittmar
California's superdelegates -- especially its Democratic members of Congress -- are caught up in the rising angst. Six of the 15 congressional members who have endorsed Clinton saw their districts vote for Obama on Feb. 5, while five of the seven who have endorsed Obama have voters who favored Clinton.

More proof our elected "Representitives" are the voice of the "people."

21 posted on 02/25/2008 1:08:37 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat lead.)
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To: mdittmar
Many Democrats believed Bush stole the election and thwarted the popular will of voters.

No they don't. It's pure political theater, agitprop.

22 posted on 02/25/2008 1:09:40 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: mdittmar

Grab the popcorn, a cold drink, and the remote control, sit back and enjoy the Democrats self destruct. I hope Hillary keeps fighting to the very end and it destroys the party. The Clinton’s are not going to give up easily. They will win by hook or by crook.


23 posted on 02/25/2008 1:09:59 PM PST by Uncle Hal
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To: sageb1
Great article! This should be a bumper sticker:

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., was a REPUBLICAN!

24 posted on 02/25/2008 1:10:46 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Global warming is to Revelations as the theory of evolution is to Genesis.)
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To: mdittmar

FEAR NOT!!!! ONWARD, ONWARD...


25 posted on 02/25/2008 1:15:39 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Nervous Tick
I’d prefer to have an serious candidacy on dems’ side, not a communist-islamist pompous ass. Train wreck or not, I’d rather skip this show.
26 posted on 02/25/2008 1:17:36 PM PST by alecqss
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To: alecqss

>> I’d prefer to have an serious candidacy on dems’ side, not a communist-islamist pompous ass.

Fair enough. Tell us, who do you recommend?


27 posted on 02/25/2008 1:19:12 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Retire Ron Paul! Support Chris Peden (www.chrispeden.org))
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

Dr. King’s dad was a Republican but its hard to believe Martin himself was,at least after 1960.
Dr King,by 1968,was clearly much more comfortable in the big government,anti-war wing of the Democratic Left.


28 posted on 02/25/2008 1:21:16 PM PST by Riverman94610
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To: mdittmar

Sore-Loserman Redux.


29 posted on 02/25/2008 1:21:31 PM PST by Mr. Brightside ( Ronald Reagan Would Back McCain - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1970504/posts)
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To: Nervous Tick

I think, Zell is unavailable and Scoop Jackson is dead. I will continue looking.


30 posted on 02/25/2008 1:22:07 PM PST by alecqss
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To: mdittmar

“Clinton won both disputed primaries and could go to court demanding that her delegates be recognized.”

She can take her grievance to the DNC nominating convention credentials committee or some other party entity, but not the courts. There’s no law saying those delegates can’t be seated; it was a party rule (that the Clinton campaign agreed to when it was adopted).


31 posted on 02/25/2008 1:22:14 PM PST by EDINVA (Proud American for 23,062 days.... and counting!)
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To: mdittmar

Maybe the light at the end of the tunnel IS a freight train !! Let’s hope so !! Whooooo, Whooooo !!!


32 posted on 02/25/2008 1:23:15 PM PST by GoldenPup
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To: alecqss

Are you eligible to vote for President in the US?


33 posted on 02/25/2008 1:23:47 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Retire Ron Paul! Support Chris Peden (www.chrispeden.org))
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To: oblomov
Here’s hoping for 1968 redux.

Times Ten

34 posted on 02/25/2008 1:26:07 PM PST by 7mmMag@LeftCoast (The DNC and Rino's: they put the CON into congress everyday.)
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To: mdittmar
established a special class of delegates who, it was said, would protect the party from nominating an unelectable figure.

Liberals love to believe that they, the wise overlords, will protect the ignorant masses from their own stupidity and ignorance.

Wait till the antiwar moonbats realize that they are the ignorant masses and Hillary Corporation will save them from their own dumbness.

Buildings will burn.

35 posted on 02/25/2008 1:26:35 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: KC_Conspirator
Which staffer at the DNC headquaters wrote this article for Scripps?

Or which staffer at Scripps writes the DNC talking points?

Hell, they are interchangeable parts of the same organization so it really does not matter.

36 posted on 02/25/2008 1:27:31 PM PST by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: Riverman94610

Hmmm. Maybe that’s what I get for quoting an article in NewsMax. In 24 point type, no less. D’oh!


37 posted on 02/25/2008 1:28:36 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Global warming is to Revelations as the theory of evolution is to Genesis.)
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To: Koblenz
You hope no one wins. But you secretly hope that the currently weaker side wins something soon...

Yep. I can't believe I'm actually rooting for her to win Texas and Ohio. I hope they damage each other so much that which ever one of them wins the nomination, the other one's supporters will not vote for them in November.

38 posted on 02/25/2008 1:28:36 PM PST by marinamuffy (I'm no fan of McCain but I'll crawl over broken glass to vote against Hillary or the Obamanation.)
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To: Nervous Tick
For a moment I thought that you ask me whether I'm eligible to be the President. Sweet thought, still enjoying it.
39 posted on 02/25/2008 1:29:02 PM PST by alecqss
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

Or at least a tagline.


40 posted on 02/25/2008 1:29:57 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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