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Tube inserted into man who refused to give urine sample
Seattlepi.com (Seattle Press Intelligencer) ^ | 3/4/08 | Associated Press Staff

Posted on 03/07/2008 7:04:04 PM PST by elkfersupper

KELSO, Wash. -- When a man who was suspected of drunken driving in Longview refused to give blood and urine samples he was taken to a hospital.

His lawyer says he was held down kicking and screaming for a blood draw. And a tube was inserted into his bladder to withdraw the urine.

He sued Cowlitz County. A settlement was reached Friday in which he was paid $15,000, without authorities admitting they did anything wrong.

The 37-year-old man, Matthew Clifford Arthur, was on probation at the time of the arrest in November and was required to undergo screening for drugs and alcohol. When he refused, his lawyer says he should have been taken to the jail instead of the hospital.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; duioui; dwi; madd
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The settlement was wise, but the amount should have been in the millions.
1 posted on 03/07/2008 7:04:06 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper

I’d be pi$$ed off too if they did this to me.


2 posted on 03/07/2008 7:09:06 PM PST by umgud
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To: elkfersupper

I could be wrong, but I thought that you have a right to refuse a blood test, but it is just about the same as a guilty plea. I didn’t think you could be forced.


3 posted on 03/07/2008 7:15:07 PM PST by appleharvey
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To: umgud

I have a tube (catheter) inserted into my tool every week for chemotherapy treatment for bladder cancer (the chemo is injected intravesically rather than intravenously, meaning it is injected direct into the bladder through a catheter inserted into the urethra). No anesthesia. Most uncomfortable.


4 posted on 03/07/2008 7:15:49 PM PST by ought-six
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To: elkfersupper

All your piss are belong to The State!


5 posted on 03/07/2008 7:16:35 PM PST by coloradan (The US is becoming a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: ought-six

Isn’t that against the 8th amendment?


6 posted on 03/07/2008 7:16:54 PM PST by darkangel82 (If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. (Say no to RINOs))
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To: elkfersupper
Well, actually, when you're on probation you give up most of your constitutional rights. You agree to random searches without a warrant or probable cause, monitoring of your whereabouts, drug testing, regular visits to a probation officer, etc. Because, after all, you're supposed to be in prison.

I suppose his probation should just have been revoked rather than the cops forcibly taking a sample, but when he signed all those papers to get out of prison he agreed to random drug and alcohol testing.

$15,000 is a generous settlement under the circumstances.

7 posted on 03/07/2008 7:18:41 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: elkfersupper

He was on probation. I think he forfeits his right to be outraged . . . . . . . . or paid.

It’s just another DBM story drumming up sympathy for people who can’t live within the laws of our society.

No tears, here.


8 posted on 03/07/2008 7:19:28 PM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: ought-six

All I can say is ouch.......... will pray for your situation.


9 posted on 03/07/2008 7:21:12 PM PST by umgud
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To: appleharvey
I could be wrong, but I thought that you have a right to refuse a blood test, but it is just about the same as a guilty plea. I didn’t think you could be forced.

You would be wrong.

Texas: Forced DUI Blood Draws Expand

10 posted on 03/07/2008 7:23:01 PM PST by elkfersupper
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A taser might have helped them get the needed sample.


11 posted on 03/07/2008 7:27:25 PM PST by PAR35
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To: DustyMoment

If there was justice in the universe, you’d get the alien anal probe. Unless of course that’s your thing.


12 posted on 03/07/2008 7:27:28 PM PST by krb (If you're not outraged, people probably like having you around.)
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To: elkfersupper

Don’t cath me bro!


13 posted on 03/07/2008 7:28:31 PM PST by LukeL
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To: DustyMoment
He was on probation. I think he forfeits his right to be outraged . . . . . . . . or paid.

In this town, you can attract a conviction and probation by watering your grass or not, mowing your grass or not, or having a tree or bush encroaching on the sidewalk or not.

The article doesn't say why he was on probation.

14 posted on 03/07/2008 7:29:20 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: umgud

I’m in the Army Reserve and been deployed twice and I have to periodically at random pee in the bottle upon demand to prove my innocence until proven otherwise of illegal drug use and it is an unwelcome invasive procedure and so I say to anyone who complains,

SCREW YOU JACK!! IT’S DRUGGIES LIKE YOU WHO FORCE THE REST OF US TO SUBMIT TO MANDATORY DRUG TESTING!


15 posted on 03/07/2008 7:29:23 PM PST by elcid1970 (io)
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To: ought-six
When I worked as a medic, insertion of a Foley catheter was second only to a McSwain Dart - for the “eeewwww” factor from the non-medical types.

Both are true lifesavers....

16 posted on 03/07/2008 7:35:11 PM PST by ASOC (.)
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To: elcid1970
I’m in the Army Reserve and been deployed twice and I have to periodically at random pee in the bottle upon demand to prove my innocence until proven otherwise of illegal drug use and it is an unwelcome invasive procedure and so I say to anyone who complains, SCREW YOU JACK!! IT’S DRUGGIES LIKE YOU WHO FORCE THE REST OF US TO SUBMIT TO MANDATORY DRUG TESTING!

That is a problem associated with institutional hysteria, not a problem associated with liberty.

17 posted on 03/07/2008 7:36:00 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: ought-six

Oww ! Prayers for your successful treatment and recovery, FRiend.


18 posted on 03/07/2008 7:38:38 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~***Just say NO to the "O"***~~~)
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To: elkfersupper

That is insane, whether he was on probation or not.

By some sort of law, he should just face sanction as if he failed the test.

And who are the sick Orwellian sadists who forced this test anyway? Was it THAT important to get this guys drug results? I bet someone was just getting some sort of perverse pleasure from this.


19 posted on 03/07/2008 7:41:31 PM PST by Catphish
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And who are the sick Orwellian sadists who forced this test anyway?

MADD, with the cooperation of your local, state and federal politicians.

20 posted on 03/07/2008 7:46:40 PM PST by elkfersupper
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