Certifying Parents

Wall Street Journal ^ | 3/22/08

[captjanaway]

In the annals of judicial imperialism, we have arrived at a strange new chapter. A California court ruled this month that parents cannot "home school" their children without government certification. No teaching credential, no teaching. Parents "do not have a constitutional right to home school their children," wrote California appellate Justice Walter Croskey.

The 166,000 families in the state that now choose to educate their children at home must be stunned. But at least one political lobby likes the ruling. "We're happy," the California Teachers Association's Lloyd Porter told the San Francisco Chronicle. He says the union believes all students should be taught only by "credentialed" teachers, who will in due course belong to unions.

[Trailerpark Badass]

And that makes my public schooled kids the ditch diggers of the future, right?

Actually, ingorant people can do very well in life.

They don't threaten their ignorant supervisors.

[TightyRighty]

Is disagreeing now defined as Thread crapping?

Um, no. But tossing a turd in the punch bowl is.

Oh, maybe to see the homeschool parents passing off their offspring as superior to mine.

You tossed out the blanket "most people are dumb as post" statement and waited for people to react. Here's the thing - when you come to a homeschooling thread and throw out statements like that and we can "go to hell" you're going to get exactly what you came looking for - some defensive homeschooling parents. That then allows you to play the "how dare you say your kids are superior than mine" act.

[Twink]

I think you're the one with the shoulder chip. I posted to you because I didn't know it was a homeschooling thread and that I wasn't supposed or allowed to comment. I was sincere in my post to you. I wasn't rude or obnoxious to you at all. You chose to be both when you replied to me. That's fine. As for (let's see if my c/p works, I'm new at it)I haven’t read one “my homeschooled child is better than your public school child” at all. In fact, it’s you and humblegunner who have tossed the shots on this thread. Someone pointed out that a) you don’t have to be rich to homeschool and b) you made the mistake of not reading the article before posting and now “homeschoolers” are arrogant and anti-conservative? (damn, it didn't work, oh well) - I was replying to humblegunner and we agreed that we read many posts on this board, not necessarily on this thread, where some posters do what he/she stated. Yes, I made the mistake of not knowing this was a homeschoolers only thread and I also enjoyed and agreed with humblegunner's post so I posted that to him. As for the post about being rich, I never said one needed to be rich in order to homeschool. I said financial situations conduit to homeschooling and flexibility are needed. Don't put words in my posts that aren't there. As for the poster who needed someone to explain to her how I didn't know this was a homeschooling thread, and yes she was obnoxious, maybe trying to be funny and sarcastic, I explained that I didn't know and her post was rude and obnoxious. “homeschoolers” are arrogant and anti-conservative? Yes, some appear to be on this board. IMO. Sorry for the screwy post, I'm still learning italics and c/v stuff.

[Twink]

What’s that mean (smoky backroom)? It’s the second time I heard/read that but don’t know what it means.

[adopt4Christ]

good point. Humblegunner is just bullying us in here because of our family & lifestyle choice. There are worse things in life than being ridiculed by people like him, for choosing to homeschool my four children. There was hostility on his part from his 1st post going into this topic, so obviously there is a whole lot behind why he’s so angry toward those of us who believe in school choice and the rights of parents to exercise our God-given freedom to raise our families according to our convictions.

[longtermmemmory]

The courts have time and time again ruled parantage to be a constitutional right issue.

This idiotic ruling will not stand.

[50mm]

Means the sailor language is about to be unleashed. The Admin Mod then moves the thread to the Smoky Backroom where there is more leeway on heated posts.

[humblegunner]

That then allows you to play the "how dare you say your kids are superior than mine" act.

Isn't that what you're doing?

Saying your kids are better than mine because of homeschooling?

It certainly is and I'll be damned if I'll agree with it.

[humblegunner]

Humblegunner is just bullying us in here because of our family & lifestyle choice.

It is polite and customary to ping someone when you are talking about them.

[Twink]

It italicized more than I wanted it to. But at least it italicized.

[Twink]

Geez. I’ll never learn all this stuff :(

Thanks for the info :)

[50mm]

gotta remember to turn it off with the /i

[EternalVigilance]

The right to educate our own children as we see fit is one of the unenumerated rights mentioned in the Ninth Amendment. And it's about as "self-evident" as it gets.

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

Nowhere in our Constitution is there any provision that gives government any power to abrogate it.

And so, the Tenth applies.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

[Twink]

Well, you big bully, just deal ;)

So what does pinging someone mean? Yes, I’m an idiot.

[TightyRighty]

I read your post. I understand that I am lucky to be able to do what I do and that there are many people out there who would like to homeschool but can't because of financial situations. My husband and I are a long way from rich but we are flexible. We "tag team". He goes to work while I teach the girls and then he comes home and I go to work.

It irritates me that people come into these threads and tell me that I'm arrogant. Believe me, I've got nothing to be arrogant about. I'm disorganized, my house is in a consistent state of disarray and yet, despite me - my kids are learning something.

My 1st grader is doing 2nd grade Math. Does that sound like I'm bragging? I guess it would to a parent who puts their child in public school and visits these threads. But to me, it's amazing. When I told my Dad that we were going to homeschool he told me I was going to screw my kids up. So yes, I am proud and excited and amazed that *I* am teaching my kids and they are learning from *me*. But that in no way makes me arrogant.

[humblegunner]

Nowhere in our Constitution is there any provision that gives government any power to abrogate it.

Uh huh. That's great.

Any inbred retard can choose to educate their kids.

Brilliant notion. The heck with having those "teaching"
to actually know something, much less be tested on it.

[TightyRighty]

Please show me where I've EVER made that statement. I'll be waiting.....

In the meantime - read my post to Twink. It's #95.

[humblegunner]

So what does pinging someone mean?

Including them in the "TO:" box.

No worries, I expect rudeness from elitists. ;-)

[Twink]

So many damn rules and instructions. Makes my head spin.

[EternalVigilance]

Wow. When did you become such a statist?

Makes one wonder if someone has hijacked your account. Like a Democrat Party/NEA Superdelegate or something...