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New atom-smasher could fill gaps in scientific knowledge -- or open a black hole
ny times ^ | 4/14/08 | John Johnson

Posted on 04/14/2008 5:29:17 PM PDT by Flavius

GENEVA -- Michelangelo L. Mangano, a respected particle physicist who helped discover the top quark in 1995, now spends most days trying to convince people that his new machine won't destroy the world.

"If it were just crackpots, we could wave them away," the physicist said in an interview at the European Organization for Nuclear Research, known by its French acronym, CERN. "But some are real physicists."

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


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KEYWORDS: antimatter; blackhole; cern; higgsboson; higgsparticle; largehadroncollider; mangano; matter; michelangelolmangano; particlephysics; particles; physics; science
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To: Flavius; Landru
"The only thing we know is that there have been about a million billion shaves since people started shaving and the world is still here," he said. "So all we can say is the probability of you blowing up the world when you shave tomorrow is less than one in 1015."

Well, that settles it then. I Feel much better now . . .
21 posted on 04/14/2008 6:06:04 PM PDT by BraveMan
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To: Flavius

“If it were just crackpots, we could wave them away,” the physicist said in an interview at the European Organization for Nuclear Research, known by its French acronym, CERN. “But some are real physicists.”

Doesn’t stop them with global warming.


22 posted on 04/14/2008 6:06:31 PM PDT by enduserindy ("The MSM isnÂ’t stupid, itÂ’s just really good at looking surprised." - me, just now.)
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To: TheWasteLand

Well if they DO open a black hole, all I can say is that it’s a one-time event. That supercollider will be gone along with a bunch of scientists.


23 posted on 04/14/2008 6:14:05 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Cuchulain
Maybe the black hole will just swallow up Washington.

I would characterize that as a true miracle.

24 posted on 04/14/2008 6:26:23 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Cuchulain

“Maybe the black hole will just swallow up Washington.”

Some of the greatest of things begin with the simplest of dreams. ;>)


25 posted on 04/14/2008 6:31:02 PM PDT by Gator113 (Hey Obama, "I drink your milkshake.")
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To: EveningStar

stupid Luddite anti-science brought to you by the same folks who are happy to sell Global Warming as we freeze to death.


26 posted on 04/14/2008 6:35:02 PM PDT by dalight
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To: Secret Agent Man

How about the earth. The moon would be stay in orbit around a miniblack hole and the rest of the solar system would not even miss us.


27 posted on 04/14/2008 6:43:56 PM PDT by jesseam (Been there and done that!)
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To: Flavius

28 posted on 04/14/2008 7:07:29 PM PDT by ricks_place
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To: Flavius
OK, I just saw the movie "The Mist."

Maybe this ain't such a good idea.

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29 posted on 04/14/2008 7:10:09 PM PDT by R_Kangel (`.`)
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To: Flavius

“The collider will consume as much energy as all the households in Geneva, running up an annual electric bill of $30 million.”

That’s one hell of a carbon footprint.


30 posted on 04/14/2008 7:15:59 PM PDT by mkleesma
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To: Flavius

Oh, please... we completely debunked that idea in my physics class last week. For anyone who’s interested, the Schwarzchild radius of a black hole is 2GM/(c^2), where G is Newton’s constant for gravity, M is the total mass of the two particles in question, and c is the speed of light (I’m currently too tired to look up the specifics of the particles being smashed together, but if anyone’s interested that’s the math). Heck, if the Schwarzchild radius is smaller than the radius of the particles, I don’t think a black hole would form at all.


31 posted on 04/14/2008 7:24:29 PM PDT by Hyzenthlay (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: Hyzenthlay

Thats what I’ve been trying to tell everybody.


32 posted on 04/14/2008 7:26:08 PM PDT by John W (We're all gonna die!!!!)
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To: TheWasteLand

I’m not a particle physicist. I just play one on TV.


33 posted on 04/14/2008 7:35:29 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: John W

If you’re talking to someone about this in person, just doing the math for them is usually wonderfully convincing, because the average person assumes that any math related to astrophysics is way beyond their grasp and any person who can memorize such math is insanely intelligent... and they just say something like ‘Oh, OK... I guess you’re right then, I have no clue about this kind of stuff’ and be completely in awe of you.

*Note to self: This does not work as a pick-up technique, and I should not attempt to use it as such again...


34 posted on 04/14/2008 8:06:29 PM PDT by Hyzenthlay (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: Hyzenthlay
Tev is the lifetime of a black hole
Mo is the mass in Kg of the black hole

Tev = Mo^3 * 2.66x10^(-24)(yr/kg)

a black hole of mass 2.28.10^5 kg
would have a life time of 1 second
and detonate with a peak wattage of
6.84.10^21 watts

A particle with 10^12ev energy would not last
the time for a photon to go across this room
35 posted on 04/14/2008 8:18:58 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: Hyzenthlay

Except - electrons are black holes that have finished evaporating - and - nobody can explain why protons don’t split into smaller particles. So actually, the universe is *more* stable than theory would imply.


36 posted on 04/14/2008 8:25:29 PM PDT by bIlluminati (In the first two centuries A.D., Christians did not serve in the government or military.)
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To: Hyzenthlay

Doing the math *does* work as a pickup line, just not as often as hoped. Say about the frequency of proton decay.

In theory, there is no difference between theory and proactice. In practice, there is.


37 posted on 04/14/2008 8:27:56 PM PDT by bIlluminati (In the first two centuries A.D., Christians did not serve in the government or military.)
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To: Flavius
“or open a black hole”

Hmmm. Didn't they say this about the atom bomb? That was what, over 65 years ago?

So are we really still here, or in another dimension?

38 posted on 04/14/2008 8:42:43 PM PDT by JSteff
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

That made me LOL!


39 posted on 04/14/2008 9:23:59 PM PDT by vrwc1
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To: HangnJudge
I'm sorry that I haven't read any predicted quantum mechanics articles for
at least 10 or so years, particularly since some theoretician from New Deli
corrected Hawking theorems because Hawking did not understand Einstein.
Besides, an event horizon is indescribable.
40 posted on 04/14/2008 9:31:32 PM PDT by machenation ("it can't happen here" Frank Zappa)
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