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What's next for Texas' superhighway?
NewsOK.com ^ | April 20, 2008 | Nolan Clay

Posted on 04/20/2008 1:26:27 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

For years, Texas has been planning a privately financed super turnpike from Mexico to the Oklahoma border.

But like rush-hour traffic, the plan for a Trans-Texas Corridor is only inching along.

"It ran into a firestorm of controversy in Texas,” said Neal McCaleb, a former Oklahoma transportation secretary.

Critics have a wide range of concerns about the corridor, which has a key stretch that would parallel Interstate 35. (Another stretch would extend from the Texarkana/Shreveport area to Mexico.)

Particularly upset are landowners who may be in the corridor's path.

The Texas Transportation Department calls many concerns myths. The department says, for instance, that property owners will be paid fair market value and entire towns will not be wiped out.

How would it affect Oklahoma?

Still, the critics, including former Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul, got the attention of Texas legislators. Last year, legislators approved a partial moratorium on private toll road deals. How the corridor — if it ever is built in Texas — would affect Oklahoma is unclear.

McCaleb was a consultant for a company that was seeking to build the corridor along I-35. The company proposed extending the corridor through Oklahoma.

"The Oklahoma arm never got off the ground because our proposal was not selected. And the other proposals had no provision for anything in Oklahoma,” McCaleb said.

‘There's a lot of misinformation'

Oklahoma transportation officials say they have no plans to extend the corridor through Oklahoma. They say existing roads could be used to take the traffic. Oklahoma officials also say most of the planning in Texas is on the stretch of corridor between Dallas and San Antonio.

"It appears to be that's where their focus is,” said David C. Streb, engineering director for the Oklahoma Transportation Department. "These things take a long time.”

Streb said of the criticism, "There's a lot of misinformation.”

Oklahomans organize opposition to plan

Opponents of the corridor going into Oklahoma already have organized. A group, Oklahomans for Sovereignty and Free Enterprise, incorporated last year.

"We heard of all the various problems with it,” said George Wallace, president of the group. "In Oklahoma ... at least 33,000 acres would be taken by eminent domain. ... It will be a private company running this and they can set their tolls at whatever they want.”

Wallace is skeptical of claims the corridor may not be built in Oklahoma.

"The corridors that we're talking about in Texas are up to 1,200 feet wide,” Wallace said. "They have lanes dedicated to trucks, lanes dedicated to passenger vehicles, rail lines, power lines, water lines, oil lines ... Let's say it comes up to the Red River. Is it just going to stop?

"Doesn't make much sense, right?”


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Oklahoma; US: Texas
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Editorial: Another run for Perry?
1 posted on 04/20/2008 1:26:27 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: TxDOT; 1066AD; 185JHP; Abcdefg; Adrastus; Alamo-Girl; antivenom; AprilfromTexas; B4Ranch; B-Chan; ..

Trans-Texas Corridor PING!


2 posted on 04/20/2008 1:27:17 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (To the liberal, there's no sacrifice too big for somebody else to make. --FReeper popdonnelly)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

We have an 8 billion dollar surplus and TXDOT fudged the numbers by over a billion to look like they were out of funds.

Damn right there is a controversy


3 posted on 04/20/2008 1:40:05 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I WONT vote Perry again!


4 posted on 04/20/2008 1:44:20 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

The TTC MUST be stopped AT ALL COSTS!! Where are oour fellow Texans on this issue? They’re being mauled and run over by Perry and the pro-TTC folks they stupidly elected. Now the pressure is mounting on OK legislators to allow TTC to cut thru the OK Panhandle. OK must stop it once again!! The TTC must NEVER be completed, even if it does get built in TX.


5 posted on 04/20/2008 1:46:03 PM PDT by levotb
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Latest map on the preferred Trans Texas Corridor route doesn’t even show the proposed road close to Oklahoma. It’s through SE Texas to the SW border of Arkansas.

Don’t know what McCaleb is worried about.


6 posted on 04/20/2008 1:48:21 PM PDT by WildWeasel
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To: levotb

Perry lies. I voted for him to stop Chris Bell and Perry thanks me with lies and shenanigans.

Hmmppp!


7 posted on 04/20/2008 1:48:48 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

What’s new for toll road, purchases by the Saudis and their associates. Simple buy more politicians and government employees.


8 posted on 04/20/2008 1:52:05 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Just get the traffic to OK, AR, LA and get the parking lots on our roadways moving and they can deal with it in their states as they see fit.......


9 posted on 04/20/2008 1:52:37 PM PDT by deport ( -- Cue Spooky Music --)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It’s hilarious when politicians get burned big time by public outrage, so they insist that the public was “misinformed” or were “misled” by those opposed to what the politicians wanted.

You hear it most of the time when the State pols push for some measure on a referendum, and just get slaughtered at the polls.

To make matters worse for them, it is usually when they were trying to be greedy or crafty and got caught.


10 posted on 04/20/2008 1:53:27 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: deport

Remember last year when Perry said he was lowering property taxes? Well, Home values are down and property taxes are up.

Perry sucks

Now he wants us to pay tolls AND taxes to drive on our roads.
Meanwhile TXDOT Squanders money


11 posted on 04/20/2008 1:58:29 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I am far from an expert on this topic, but what’s wrong with building a couple of bypasses around several cities and widening I-35 or I-29?


12 posted on 04/20/2008 2:01:50 PM PDT by purpleraine
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To: mylife

Your assessed valuation on your home went down?..... hasn’t happened where I live.


13 posted on 04/20/2008 2:03:29 PM PDT by deport ( -- Cue Spooky Music --)
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To: All
In Mexico for trade talks, Gov Perry blasts immigration policies
Houston Chronicle, Mexico City Bureau | Aug. 28, 2007 | DUDLEY ALTHAUS
Posted on 08/28/2007 5:35:20 PM PDT by Dubya

MEXICO CITY — Leading a large delegation of Texas executives trying to drum up business in Mexico, Gov. Rick Perry on Tuesday criticized the U.S. Congress for failing to pass an immigration bill that would legalize millions of workers. "I don't think this is that difficult an issue if Congress would have the maturity to sit down and really discuss it and cut out all the mean rhetoric," Perry said during a break in the third day of meetings with Mexican officials and business executives. (Excerpt) Read more at chron.com ...

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COMMENT Gov Rick Perry does a Dixie Chick---he criticizes the US while in a foreign country. Is Perry collaborating with a foreign government to influence the policies of the US government on the issue of amnesty for illegals? Gov Perry endorsed Giuliani's candidacy-----does candidate Giuliani agree with collaborating with foreign governments to change US policies? We need rational leaders who understand the dimensions of the problem. Perry and Giuliani are not among this group.

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DO GIULIANI AND PERRY HAVE SIMILAR PLANS FOR US HIGHWAYS? Giuliani and Perry's idea of "border security:" using eminent domain to take US properties from taxpayers and give them to foreign entities.

NASCO TEXAS-CANADA-MEXICO TRADE CORRIDOR BROKERED BY Bracewell & Giuliani

DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY MAP----TERRORIST ENTRY POINTS

NEWS STORY Bracewell & Giuliani Firm Advises Cintra in First Privatization of Toll Road in Texas
DALLAS (March 1, 2007) Bracewell & Giuliani LLP (Rudy's Texas-based law firm with global connections) advised Cintra Concesiones de Infraestructuras de Transporte, S.A., a Spanish transportation company, in its successful bid to develop State Highway 121 into a toll road through Collin and Denton counties ("trade road" is four football fields wide). The award to Cintra, approved by the Texas Transportation Commission, is the first privatization of a Texas toll road. Bracewell is acting as project counsel to Cintra with respect to the 50-year concession from the Texas Department of Transportation. Cintra will pay a $2.1 billion upfront and annual lease payments totaling $700 million. "Cintra was awarded this project because of its proven expertise and competitive proposal," said Thomas O. Moore, partner with Bracewell & Giuliani. "This is the largest transportation deal of 2007. This is one of only five deals in the country."

14 posted on 04/20/2008 2:03:54 PM PDT by Liz (Without the brave, there'd be no land of the free. Senator Fred Thompson)
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To: deport

The market in general is stagnant or down nationwide


15 posted on 04/20/2008 2:05:42 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Liz

Giulliani and Perry are in bushiness together on the TTC


16 posted on 04/20/2008 2:09:22 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Business


17 posted on 04/20/2008 2:10:05 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Even so my assessed property value for tax purposes hasn’t gone down......


18 posted on 04/20/2008 2:15:44 PM PDT by deport ( -- Cue Spooky Music --)
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To: Liz

I think there’s another plot afoot. Close the major American ports, unload in Mexico and truck north from Mexico. Longshoremen out of work.


19 posted on 04/20/2008 2:17:46 PM PDT by purpleraine
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To: purpleraine

Good point——and Perry and Giuliani get a cut of everything-—under the table.


20 posted on 04/20/2008 2:22:43 PM PDT by Liz (Without the brave, there'd be no land of the free. Senator Fred Thompson)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I’m becoming more and more paranoid about the TT road.

We have some things happening with the North American Union.

A long highway from Mexico through the Central US to Eastern Canada would be tailor made for NAFTA. As usual the taxpayers would socialize the costs, and the corporations would capitalize on the profits.

Do a Google on the NAU. Ask yourself just what is going on here. I see a direct attack on American sovereighty and some sort of socialist grand plan that I can’t get a handle on as yet. But the Trans Texas is one of the keys to it.


21 posted on 04/20/2008 2:29:24 PM PDT by doxteve
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To: purpleraine

Some proposals include the Baja California section of Mexico, another further south and potential on the Gulf of Mexico side especially when and if the Panama Canal is widened. Walmart has already moved a huge container operation into the Port of Houston complex and uses the Panama Canal even though it is longer sea time and smaller ships.


22 posted on 04/20/2008 2:29:32 PM PDT by deport ( -- Cue Spooky Music --)
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To: WildWeasel

That route is TTC-69, so named because it will carry I-69. There is another route called TTC-35 that will roughly parallel I-35 and run, ultimately, from Oklahoma to Mexico.


23 posted on 04/20/2008 2:41:54 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (To the liberal, there's no sacrifice too big for somebody else to make. --FReeper popdonnelly)
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To: purpleraine
These guys don't want roads. Some of 'em want to return Texas to the days when cows roamed free and the women folk fried up chicken all day long while the men hoed the dried out claypan trying to grow a patch of corn.

And that's as good as it gets with the anti-road crew. Tney're happy to have a couple of Mexicans on the place to kind of look after things and that's it.

Did you know how much peyote they can grow in Texas? It's phenomenal.

24 posted on 04/20/2008 2:48:13 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: purpleraine
I am far from an expert on this topic, but what’s wrong with building a couple of bypasses around several cities and widening I-35 or I-29?

Nothing, as far as I know. And some of that could probably be tax-financed if some of the state gasoline tax wasn't being diverted to public skrools, DPS, and other things.

I-35 is being widened to six lanes south of DFW, but widening it beyond that would be a really expensive proposition, since TxDOT would have to purchase expensive (and presumably developed) land along the highway. And don't you mean I-27?

25 posted on 04/20/2008 2:48:46 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (To the liberal, there's no sacrifice too big for somebody else to make. --FReeper popdonnelly)
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To: purpleraine
The longshoreman story is another folk tale without foundation. We've got all the longshoremen employed at container ports. What we haven't got is any place to put more container ports. All our remaining shoreline is tied up for ecological, beauty or existing housing needs ~ most of it for the rich people who own the rest of the country too, so there's just no way we can have another port.

Mexico has some undeveloped shoreline. The idea is to trash Mexico's shore and save our own.

26 posted on 04/20/2008 2:51:37 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: WildWeasel

OK pretty much escapes the proposed road systems for future expansion except I-35...... click the following for a look at some of the proposals, many of which will most likely become reality...

http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/hep10/nhs/hipricorridors/hiprimap.html


27 posted on 04/20/2008 3:00:16 PM PDT by deport ( -- Cue Spooky Music --)
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To: muawiyah

>>These guys don’t want roads.<<

“These guys?” I realize that that roads need to be improved — that always has been true. What I don’t want is a Rick Perry swindle enriching foreign investors and hiring illegals to work on it.


28 posted on 04/20/2008 3:47:10 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (I want to "Buy American" but the only things for sale made in the USA are politicians)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

An earlier post noted that NO cities would be obliterated. Not true. Natalia, Texas will be.

There is nothing wrong with expanding the highways. What IS wrong is that the TTC will be a toll road, owned by one US company and One Spanish company. All facilities along the corridor, such as gas stations and eating facilities will be owned by said companies. Land owners will not have the opportunity to make back what has been taken from them.

This is a land grab on a large scale and must be stopped. As for me I will vote for Kinky again. We need to at least co-ordinate just who we will back in order to defeat Gov. Perry.


29 posted on 04/20/2008 4:25:34 PM PDT by South Texas Lady
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I-69 is an appropriate name for this road, considering how the taxpayers will get screwed !!!

Perhaps the name should be “I-been-69ed”


30 posted on 04/20/2008 4:31:58 PM PDT by PetroniDE (State of Texas -- Nope: STATE OF TAXES !! -- No Habla Espanol e Profanito !!)
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To: South Texas Lady

The Texas Republican Party platform calls for the repeal of the TTC. Do Perry and his minions represent Texas Republicans, or foreign countries?


31 posted on 04/20/2008 4:40:50 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (I want to "Buy American" but the only things for sale made in the USA are politicians)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I meant I-29 KC through the Dakotas to Winnepeg.


32 posted on 04/20/2008 7:36:55 PM PDT by purpleraine
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To: muawiyah
These guys don't want roads. Some of 'em want to return Texas to the days when cows roamed free and the women folk fried up chicken all day long while the men hoed the dried out claypan trying to grow a patch of corn.

That's exactly the problem these days. Thank you for illustrating it. We liked things like they were. If we wanted them changed we would've changed them ourselves. Please go back to wherever you came from and leave us, and our state alone.

Thanks.
33 posted on 04/20/2008 10:03:25 PM PDT by TheZMan (What is happening to Texas.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Perry was campaigning for Walter Mondale when I was voting for Reagan. He didn’t become a Republican until about 89. He’ll sell out his fellow Texans then buy a small South American country with the profits and retire.


34 posted on 04/20/2008 10:19:00 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Richard Kimball
>>Perry was campaigning for Walter Mondale when I was voting for Reagan. He didn’t become a Republican until about 89. He’ll sell out his fellow Texans then buy a small South American country with the profits and retire.<<


35 posted on 04/20/2008 11:37:19 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (I want to "Buy American" but the only things for sale made in the USA are politicians)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

BTTT


36 posted on 04/21/2008 2:58:40 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

BTTT


37 posted on 04/21/2008 2:58:51 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: purpleraine

Well, I was talking about Texas, so my bad.


38 posted on 04/21/2008 3:58:53 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (To the liberal, there's no sacrifice too big for somebody else to make. --FReeper popdonnelly)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; All
“I-35 is being widened to six lanes south of DFW, but widening it beyond that would be a really expensive proposition, since TxDOT would have to purchase expensive (and presumably developed) land along the highway.”

As a matter of fact, they're widening/improving all the Interstates to and from the Dallas/Ft. Worth area.

As far as I-35E, south of Dallas, if you've ever driven that stretch, there's not a lot of development.

Would it cost billions to add additional lanes? No!

If necessary, the additional lanes could be tolled not, by a foreign company but, by the state.

39 posted on 04/21/2008 4:26:15 AM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: muawiyah

I doubt you have a clue what *Us Guys* (so typically YANKEE) want.

I’ll tell ya’ll one thing, *US Guys* don’t want to be like Indiana.


40 posted on 04/21/2008 4:29:38 AM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I think the plan is to go all they way into Canada. I’m not familiar with many of the North-South routes in Texas, except I-35.


41 posted on 04/21/2008 6:59:12 AM PDT by purpleraine
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To: wolfcreek
You mean like pigs, cows, lots of interstate standard highways, tornadoes scouring the Spring skies and tearing up folks stuff.

I've been to Texas before. All same thing. Flat as a board for the most part, pigs, cows, highways all over the place, tornadoes (but not as many per square mile as Indiana), but they talk funny!

42 posted on 04/21/2008 8:47:10 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
I've been to Texas before. All same thing. Flat as a board for the most part, pigs, cows, highways all over the place, tornadoes (but not as many per square mile as Indiana), but they talk funny!

Yeah, we talk funny. I've been accused of having a southern Bavarian accent, we also have people who speak with the Neew Yawk accent, and a ton of freaks from Califunny. As far as "all the same".... you must have looked at the panhandle and not gone any further. We also have mountains, seashores, and the Hill Country.

Now, why dontcha' go an rustle up some corn fer the cook-out...yankee;-)

43 posted on 04/21/2008 11:10:25 AM PDT by Sarajevo (You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: muawiyah
My house is at 1000 ft. West of me is higher and more hilly. Far from flat. Where did you visit? I was sort of making reference to your *conservative* Governor and his statements about how we need to *get past* Reaganism.
44 posted on 04/21/2008 11:52:11 AM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: wolfcreek
Oh, that guy ~ I don't happen to live in Indiana at the moment. I live in Virginia ~ we're right next to the People's Republic of Maryland ~ and we have our own fascist Democrat in charge at the moment on this side of the river.

Whatever the governor of Indiana has to say on anything pales to insignificance in contrast to what the pukes around here have to say.

I think he's wrong to discuss Ronadus Magnus of course, but I haven't had time to read how that happened ~ that's because most criticisms of Ronaldus are just so much B.S. and not worth my time.

So, was it in answer to a question from the Indianapolis (commie) Star, or what?

45 posted on 04/21/2008 12:33:46 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Sarajevo
Hmm ~ folks from Indiana are Hoosiers. The Yankees all live in North Carolina these days doncha' know.

BTW, the area from Waco to Houston and all the way West to the great escarpment (just the other side of Midland and due South into Mexico) is FLAT, and that's where virtually all Texans live.

Flat, flat, flat~!!!

46 posted on 04/21/2008 12:36:22 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

“So, was it in answer to a question from the Indianapolis (commie) Star, or what?”

He was addressing a group of Redstaters at some conferance.

Rush said it was the return of the CountryClub Repubs. *Rockefellers*


47 posted on 04/21/2008 12:39:59 PM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: wolfcreek

Rush wants that NAFTA highway to end at Cape Girardeau, not Naptown! Don’t trust him on this one.


48 posted on 04/21/2008 4:20:58 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Sarajevo; muawiyah

...and the heavily-forested Piney Woods of East Texas... ‘-)


49 posted on 04/22/2008 8:39:49 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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