Posted on 04/25/2008 6:36:20 AM PDT by MizSterious
| Protesters hold Rally for Texas Children |
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SALT LAKE CITY -- About 100 people rallied outside the Utah Jazz playoff game Thursday, chanting for Texas to release the children taken into state custody from a polygamist sect.
Signs read "Free the Children" and "Got Constitution?" and people attending the rally chanted "Shame on Texas ... Free those kids!" as fans walked by on their way to the Jazz game against the Houston Rockets. |
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Excerpt. More at MyFoxUtah. |
I'd read that it wasn't just one call that prompted this - this situation has been under investigation for a while. The 16 year old that called was working with the investigators, and now she's missing. I hope more info comes out.
What an idiot you’ve shown yourself to be. These “ranches” have been ignored for far too long.
AUSTIN - An appeals court rejected pleas from the mothers of more than 400 children seized from a polygamist sect to immediately stop authorities from busing their kids to far-flung foster homes, but it agreed to hear arguments in the case next week.
The children, who had been staying in shelters in San Angelo since officials removed them from the Yearning For Zion Ranch in Eldorado starting on April 3, were boarding buses today.
The state won temporary custody of the children through a ruling by state District Judge Barbara Walther late last week. Child welfare officials removed the children on suspicion of physical and sexual abuse after a family violence center received a call from a female saying she was a 16-year-old girl inside the compound whose 50-year-old husband beat and raped her.
Authorities now suspect that the call may have come from a woman in Colorado who has a history of making fake calls to authorities. The 16-year-old caller has not been identified among the 437 sect children in Texas custody.
Attorney Robert Doggett appealed the lower court's ruling on Wednesday and sought emergency action to halt the removal of the children to foster group homes as far away as Houston - 500 miles away - and elsewhere around the state.
The Third Court of Appeals did not address the request to allow the youths to remain nearby, but set a hearing for Tuesday.
"Obviously, we're disappointed with the Court of Appeals' failure to act timely," said Doggett, an attorney representing 48 mothers in the case. He said "having a hearing after the fact" is pointless.
Excerpt. The rest at GOSanangelo.
They ARE guility of grooming young girls to become the 5th, 10th, 20th wives of older men....while disguising it as a “religious right”..........It’s about time the States strat to act on it.
this entire thing is a tragedy, all around
from the polygamy to the heavy handed state
neither side can claim to be totally “right”
so much concerning the daughters is talked about
while the plight of the sons is ignored, in the media
if your father’s generation can, and does, take as many wives as they want, including down into your generation, then how many eligible females will there be for you and your brothers and others males in your generation
in the states wherein this polygamous sect resides, the social services of the states have foster-group homes for the coming-of-age boys who leave the sect all the time, because the polygamy of their father’s generation has vastly increased their likelihood of remaining single, particularly the further away from the “leadership” they are - they are “lost boys” when they leave and have a hard time adjusting to life outside their large extended families
still, I pray for solutions that would reduce the thinking that the state has the right, and must, intervene and squash any “lifestyle” that 51 out of 100 hundred citizens oppose
all our Constitutional freedoms are supposed to be above EVEN THE VOTES OF OUR FELLOW CITIZENS, unless, that is, a vote to change the Constitution itself
Probably because (a) the girls went with these guys by choice (as opposed to having them forced onto them by parents and church elders), and (b) none of the girls complained to authorities.
LOL—well, you haven’t seen some of the FLDS threads, then. A few of them are riddled with missing posts, you can guess why.
Wuli, I don’t consider child rape a “lifestyle.” Sorry. It’s a crime. Crimes, especially those as serious as this, should be prosecuted.
It is a very dangerous place the state of texas is going with these children.
A word on the minors becoming mothers. Many thousands of inner city teens give birth each day in America, and you dont see the state taking their children.
I think the real question here is when a person becomes an adult. And that really depends upon culture and how the child was raised. It used to be that if a woman was not married by twenty she was an old maid.
The Jewish religion, and to a lesser extent the Christian one, taught that a person could be married when they reach their teens, more of a biological definition. Biology says that the moment that a person is capable of reproduction they are an adult.
Of course I agree with laws that set the age of consent to a higher age such as 16 17 or even 18. Those laws were meant to protect from abuse. But fact is many other nations take Germany for example set the age to 14. It is based on a realization that person becomes aware of what they are doing at a younger age.
Teens that are having sex with consent in my opinion are not really being abused. Just being stupid.
Of course if they are actually being forced then its rape. but I think all they have is an anonymous phone call right?
I can understand removing those in dangerous situations but not the little ones. Wouldn’t it be better to leave them with their mothers until the case has been tried?”
When the state comes in and removes a child due to possible neglect or abuse, they take ALL the children in the household, not just the possibly abused ones. That is standard operating procedure for any case, not just this one. It's just the scale of this is larger than seen before, and since the kids don't know their biological parents, and the adults won't tell, it gets even harder.
Since they believe that the girls are groomed to be plural wives and have babies at a very young age, and that they abandon their boys, it is very important to take the young children BEFORE they are groomed and abused.
These kind of compounds and cults are well known in that area of the country. I lived their for years. I am glad Texas is finally doing something about it.
Please note, it doesn’t matter “when” someone married in the past or when someone marries in some other culture around the world. We ARE talking about the U.S., and specifically TEXAS law, as it is currently written.
That said, some little girls reach puberty at age 10. These girls are “spiritually married” as soon as they show signs of puberty. Forcing them to marry drooling dirty old men at 10 or even as old as 15 is just plain wrong, morally AND legally.
The girls pregnant and mothers in the sect never had any choice in who they married or who had sex with them. Boys were cast out as soon as they started having pubic hair....removal of competition for the old men.
I repeat, the women are raped breeding stock, nothing more, nothing less.
The Fourth Amendment, probable cause, due process, individual hearings - who needs them? They're just outmoded relics of the past. We have CPS laws now.
Cordially,
“Of course if they are actually being forced then its rape. but I think all they have is an anonymous phone call right?”
Maybe you should ask Carolyn Jessop. Or the Judge who has seen the evidence, the affidavits, and heard testimony.
“A hoax call sets off the rounding up of hundreds on the assumption that all are guilty of something.”
There is much more to it than just one hoax call.
IIRC, the hoax call came after the CPS had already decided to obtain a search warrant.
The ‘rounding up of hundreds’ was done to protect them from further potential abuse, not because the children were guilty of anything.
Just a suggestion if you are going to run a daily thread.
The title should include some identification method such as the date so that if one is looking for a specific thread it could be identified. Otherwise it would require searching all the threads....
If child rape isn’t probable cause, I can’t imagine what might be.
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