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France - Le Pen: Auschwitz didn't have gas chambers
Agence France-Presse (excerpt) ^ | April 25, 2008

Posted on 04/25/2008 9:07:30 PM PDT by HAL9000

Le Pen: Auschwitz didn't have gas chambers

Extreme right-wing leader repeats claim that no Jews were gassed or burned at Nazi death camps, says Auschwitz inmates worked as laborers for factory

Far-right leader Jean-Marie Le Pen sparked a chorus of outrage in France on Friday by repeating an incendiary claim that the Nazi gas chambers were a "detail of history."

Anti-racism and Jewish groups threatened immediate legal action against the National Front chief - who already holds several similar convictions - after he made the comments in a magazine interview.

"I said the gas chambers were a detail of the history of World War II: that, to me, seems so obvious," the 79-year-old Le Pen told Bretons magazine.

Le Pen was fined 1.2 million francs ($290,000) for making the initial remarks in a radio interview in 1987.

When the Bretons journalist told him that the Nazis "deported people to camps simply to kill them," Le Pen replied: "But that is what you believe. I don't feel obliged to adhere to that view."

"I observe that in Auschwitz there was the IG Farben factory, there were 80,000 laborers working there. As far as I know they were not gassed, anyway, nor burned."

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KEYWORDS: auschwitz; france; godsgravesglyphs; holocaust; jeanmarielepen; lepen; nazis; nutjob
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1 posted on 04/25/2008 9:07:30 PM PDT by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000

And he probably thinks the ovens were for baking bread! Idiot.


2 posted on 04/25/2008 9:12:27 PM PDT by doc1019 (Acts 16:31, Romans 10:13 ... nuff said.)
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To: HAL9000; FARS; Ernest_at_the_Beach; potlatch; devolve; MeekOneGOP; ntnychik; Grampa Dave; gonzo
Auschwitz/Birkenau Concentration Camp Let us never forget!

We expect at every moment the trumpets announcing Le Pen's appointment to the growing staff of Hussein Obama Twelfth Imam from Chicago.

I dare not posit the correct penalty for Le Pen, something to make Stephen King's work seem absolutely Muppetish.

3 posted on 04/25/2008 9:21:40 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: HAL9000; penowa; nw_arizona_granny; porter_knorr; justiceseeker93; george76; Old Sarge; LucyT; ...

Before I visited Auschwitz no one told me about the half warehouse of human hair Nazis shaved off victims before they were gassed in the ‘shower’ or cremated in ovens. No one told me there would be half a warehouse of shoes belonging to victims. No one mentioned I would see furniture and car seats stuffed with human hair. Nor was I prepared to see bound books and lampshades made of human skin.


4 posted on 04/25/2008 9:26:59 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: HAL9000

Guess old Jean-Marie never saw the blueprints or read Hoess’ autobiography, eh?


5 posted on 04/25/2008 9:31:44 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: doc1019

Probably thinks the Wansee Conference was a parent=teacher meeting.


6 posted on 04/25/2008 9:32:42 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: PhilDragoo
I'm waiting for him to coauthor a book with Buchanan.
7 posted on 04/25/2008 9:35:21 PM PDT by mimaw
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To: HAL9000

Why, oh, why does the Right in France choose to be associated with anti-semitic trash like this?


8 posted on 04/25/2008 9:37:34 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: PzLdr

I don’t remember the name of the TV program, but remember watching a dramatization of the Wansee Conference years ago on the discovery channel (mayhap the History channel?). Most chilling program I’ve ever watched.


9 posted on 04/25/2008 9:38:44 PM PDT by doc1019 (Acts 16:31, Romans 10:13 ... nuff said.)
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To: HAL9000

By WHOSE yardstick is this moron referred to is a member of the RIGHT?


10 posted on 04/25/2008 9:44:59 PM PDT by Hi Heels (Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult.)
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To: HAL9000

I’ve been to Dachau.

Those weren’t shower rooms I saw...


11 posted on 04/25/2008 9:47:37 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Support our Troops ~ www.americasupportsyou.mil ~)
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To: HAL9000
Right....

My aunt Irene's family died horrible deaths in a "detail of history."

Thanks for posting this, Hal. It should serve as a reminder that useless idiots everywhere can and do believe anything.

12 posted on 04/25/2008 9:48:05 PM PDT by TheWriterTX (Proud Retrosexual Wife of 14 Years)
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To: PhilDragoo; HAL9000; FARS; Ernest_at_the_Beach; devolve; Grampa Dave; gonzo
I dare not posit the correct penalty for Le Pen,
something to make Stephen King's work seem
absolutely Muppetish.

- - - - - - -

Okay. So how about a good old-fashioned
a$$-kicking for starters ???? :^D


13 posted on 04/25/2008 9:52:35 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (McRINO makes me wanna reach across the aisle, too. And SLAP some sense into the fools !!)
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To: HAL9000

Big Red One.


14 posted on 04/25/2008 9:54:50 PM PDT by Waco
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To: HAL9000; PhilDragoo

Leftists mask their alter ego by calling it Far Right...


You and I are told we must choose between a left or right, but I suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down. Up to man’s age-old dream-the maximum of individual freedom consistent with order or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism. Regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would sacrifice freedom for security have embarked on this downward path. Plutarch warned, “The real destroyer of the liberties of the people is he who spreads among them bounties, donations and benefits.

Ronald Reagan: A Time for Choosing Speech, 1964
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1964reagan1.html


15 posted on 04/25/2008 10:06:09 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: LucyT; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ..

Thanks.


16 posted on 04/25/2008 10:27:56 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_____________________Profile updated Saturday, March 29, 2008)
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17 posted on 04/25/2008 10:29:05 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_____________________Profile updated Saturday, March 29, 2008)
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To: doc1019
And he probably thinks the ovens were for baking bread!

But they were! Why, I thought everyone was familiar with:

"Be he alive, or be he dead, I shall grind his bones to make my bread!"

I might be mistaken, but didn't Hitler believe that Jooooo-bone bread was an aphrodesiac, and ordered the SS to eat a loaf a day, to keep up their rape quotas?

Yes, Le Pen IS an idiot.

A close relative helped liberate one of those camps, and could rarely bring himself to ever say anything about it.

18 posted on 04/25/2008 10:37:24 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The Great Obamanation of Desolation, attempting to sit in the Oval Office, where he ought not..)
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To: ApplegateRanch
I might be mistaken, but didn't Hitler believe that Jooooo-bone bread was an aphrodisiac, and ordered the SS to eat a loaf a day, to keep up their rape quotas?
19 posted on 04/25/2008 10:47:09 PM PDT by doc1019 (Acts 16:31, Romans 10:13 ... nuff said.)
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To: SunkenCiv
“Extreme right wing.”

“Far-right leader.”

For those in need of history lessons, the “N” in Nazi stands for “National Socialist.”

Hitler was an avowed socialist.

Besides a strong military, Hitler and the Nazis despised EVERY value that right-wing Americans cherish.

20 posted on 04/25/2008 10:47:41 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: ApplegateRanch
I might be mistaken, but didn't Hitler believe that Jooooo-bone bread was an aphrodisiac, and ordered the SS to eat a loaf a day, to keep up their rape quotas?
21 posted on 04/25/2008 10:48:16 PM PDT by doc1019 (Acts 16:31, Romans 10:13 ... nuff said.)
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To: HAL9000

What a sad and pathetic man. Where is Sarkozy? If LePen is truly a rightist, then this is an opportunity for Sarkozy to purge France of its traditional anti-semitism and to denounce something that can be used by Muslim fanatics in France. But most of all, to do something that is so obviously the right thing.


22 posted on 04/25/2008 10:51:24 PM PDT by TheThinker (Capitalism is the natural result of a democratic government.)
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To: doc1019
I might be mistaken, but didn't Hitler believe that Jooooo-bone bread was an aphrodisiac, and ordered the SS to eat a loaf a day, to keep up their rape quotas?
23 posted on 04/25/2008 10:51:31 PM PDT by doc1019 (Acts 16:31, Romans 10:13 ... nuff said.)
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To: doc1019
I might be mistaken, but didn't Hitler believe that Jooooo-bone bread was an aphrodisiac, and ordered the SS to eat a loaf a day, to keep up their rape quotas?

First I have ever heard of this … not that I would put it past ol’ Hitler, just can’t believe that a Jew hating country and ideology that was the Third Reich, would eat anything that was Jewish, especially their burnt (cooked) flesh.

Try long enough and I will get it right. Sorry.

24 posted on 04/25/2008 10:53:29 PM PDT by doc1019 (Acts 16:31, Romans 10:13 ... nuff said.)
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To: HAL9000
First, Le Pen is not right wing, in the American sense. Anyone who is frustrated by constant references to fascists being right wing should read Jonah Goldberg's fantastic book Liberal Fascism. I can't recommend it enough.

Second, it is one of the great tragedies of our time that the socialist elites who run Europe fail to understand that by failing to fight Islamic fascism, they open the door to classical fascism, which the masses will turn to in desperation.

25 posted on 04/25/2008 11:41:41 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: HAL9000
They don't come any stupider than Le Pen. Salonika's great reservoir of Jewry died at Auschwitz and Birkenau.
26 posted on 04/26/2008 1:36:53 AM PDT by carton253 (www.headquartersanv.blogspot.com -- for conversations about the Army of Northern Virginia.)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

“...those who would sacrifice freedom for security have embarked on this downward path.”

A profound thought that we should all keep in mind.


27 posted on 04/26/2008 2:15:53 AM PDT by onguard
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To: Hi Heels

Hear,hear!


28 posted on 04/26/2008 4:40:07 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: HiJinx
I’ve been to Dachau. Those weren’t shower rooms I saw...

I've been there myself.The showers were there,but were never put into use before the liberation of the camp.I got into an argument with someone over this,until I looked it up in the picture book I had bought in the museum and showed him the paragraph that explained this.

29 posted on 04/26/2008 4:40:47 AM PDT by Uncle Meat
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To: HAL9000

France - Le Pen:

1) Auschwitz didn’t have gas chambers
2) the french are a world power
3) the french have showers but choose NOT to use them

at least one of these statements is true!!!!


30 posted on 04/26/2008 5:25:35 AM PDT by nyyankeefan
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To: doc1019

There was a German reenactment [shot in the actual villa, but HBO did a movie, “Conspiracy”, with a top notch cast: Kenneth Branaugh as Heydrich, Stanley Tucci as Eichmann, Colin Firth as Wilhem Stuckart... Excellent job.


31 posted on 04/26/2008 6:40:02 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: LucyT

that makes me dizzy to think about....that they still have those items is amazing


32 posted on 04/26/2008 7:44:31 AM PDT by porter_knorr
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To: HAL9000
Le Pen: "I observe that in Auschwitz there was the IG Farben factory, where there were 80,000 laborers working there. As far as I know they were not gassed, anyway, nor burned."

Le Pen is too idiotic to realize that the purpose of the IG Farben factory at Auschwitz was to manufacture the lethal Zyklon B gas that was used strictly for the purpose of mass killing. Those "laborers" working at the "factory" were slaves used to help kill their fellow camp inmates. And the "laborers" would generally be sent to the gas chmbers themselves after they became too ill or disabled to work in the "factory."

33 posted on 04/26/2008 10:43:25 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: porter_knorr; HAL9000; nw_arizona_granny; penowa; justiceseeker93; potlatch; george76; ...

When I first saw the hair and shoes, seriously I went into shock; it was as if a horse had kicked me in the stomach.

In the nearby village prior to arriving, I bought a bouquet of red roses with the idea of placing them ‘somewhere.’ I left them on a crematorium.

Setting just inside a shower room was a can with a paper label of what may have been cyclon B. Presumably, it was there for effect. It certainly affected me.

The horror and profound sadness of that day is etched in my memory forever.


34 posted on 04/26/2008 10:43:57 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: LucyT

My father went to see Schindler’s List by himself in a movie theater. When it came to the scene where the Jews’ belongings were all sorted in the town square, shoes here, jewelry there, glasses over there, into piles, my father walked out of the theater.

He told us, “I saw it the first time” (when he was a seven-year-old child).


35 posted on 04/26/2008 10:52:50 AM PDT by Yaelle
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Ping!


36 posted on 04/26/2008 11:00:45 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93
Zyklon B is the proper spelling, my misspelling was found when I checked out the link at #3, as I couldn't remember how to spell it.
37 posted on 04/26/2008 11:08:45 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: B-Chan
Why, oh, why does the Right in France choose to be associated with anti-semitic trash like this?

The most parsimonious explanation would be that many of them find his views on such matters congenial, or at best inconsequential.

38 posted on 04/26/2008 11:19:12 AM PDT by untenured
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To: Yaelle

Thanks, Yaelle. Poor little boy having to live with those memories all his life. I can understand him walking out of the theatre. I wouldn’t see the movie; I wouldn’t visit a death camp again. For tragedies in life, it’s better to not look back...


39 posted on 04/26/2008 11:23:06 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: LucyT; devolve; ntnychik; PhilDragoo; dixiechick2000; MeekOneGOP; FARS; All
I made something about the Holocaust for you;


40 posted on 04/26/2008 1:19:47 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: potlatch

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Well done potlatch -


41 posted on 04/26/2008 3:55:48 PM PDT by devolve ( -- -The_Project_Islamic_Hope_website_banner no_longer_features_Barack_Hussein_Obama_Junior)
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To: LucyT
Your trip to Auschwitz must have been a very moving experience.

BTW Your home page is AWESOME!

42 posted on 04/26/2008 4:03:01 PM PDT by Churchillspirit
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Thank you for your thoughtfulness, potlatch. Well done. I’m emailing it to a few people.

All y’all might like to see this.


43 posted on 04/26/2008 5:42:09 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: HAL9000
SOB's, my father use to get so angry when he heard that kind of rot.

He was in one of the units that helped liberate one of the concentration camps, and one of the Stalags too.

One of the POW's (8th Army AirForce) was a fellow that grew up two houses down from him.

One of the few times I saw my father with tears in his eyes, was when he spoke of what he saw at the camps.

44 posted on 04/26/2008 5:47:03 PM PDT by mware (mware...killer of threads.)
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To: devolve

Thanks devolve


45 posted on 04/26/2008 5:50:14 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: LucyT

Good! I’m glad that you can make use of it.


46 posted on 04/26/2008 5:51:26 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: HAL9000

Eh, Jean...even the Boches admit they were gassing Jews. You sad bastard.


47 posted on 04/26/2008 5:55:17 PM PDT by RichInOC (Stupidity is its own punishment...but too many people in politics think they're exempt.)
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To: justiceseeker93
Le Pen is too idiotic to realize that the purpose of the IG Farben factory at Auschwitz was to manufacture the lethal Zyklon B gas that was used strictly for the purpose of mass killing.

I think you are absolutely wrong on this. There are many, many false stories about the Germans' labor and death camps, contra and pro national socialism. To understand really what went on, one should step back from a focus on gas chambers and consider that Auschwitz was a slave labor complex (synthetic fuels, rubber, some armaments, etc.). The complex was centered around Auschwitz-Birkenau and Auschwitz-Monowitz. The place was Utilitarian, in the most evil sense of the term. People were "sorted." Those who could not produce, were eliminated. Diet and disease-suppression were designed "optimally" to manage the input-output of the system. Labor was balanced by costs of nutrition and disease prevention.

The raw human material shoveled into the system came from non-citizen classes - Jews in Nazi occupied areas automatically fell into this group, but others did too, including "criminals." But the main objective of the system was not to kill Jews specifically, nor to kill anyone simply for the purpose of killing. That would have been a waste of resources. The point was to use human beings as industrial raw material. Culling the herd was indeed part of the program, but by focusing on the killing part this actually reduces the horror of what went on.

It is as if we are drawn to the gas chambers because it perversely comforts us. If what the Nazis did would have been irrational, non-human pure evil, we could say that it is not at all like us. We want Hitler to be Satan, his works outside of our comprehension, none of his works to be the logical extension of what we do in our every day lives.

On Auschwitz specifically and the "final solution" more generally, I highly recommend Richard Rubenstein's The Cunning of History.

48 posted on 04/26/2008 6:48:22 PM PDT by chinche
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To: potlatch
It sounded too strange to be true.

SNOPES: Holocaust Teaching Ban (University of Kentucky) .... Status: FALSE

49 posted on 04/26/2008 7:00:43 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Polybius; LucyT

Well darn, that could have saved me a couple of hours work as I put it all together on a webpage and then took a screenshot to make it a graphic!!


50 posted on 04/26/2008 7:10:10 PM PDT by potlatch
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