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1 posted on 05/22/2008 10:46:31 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan
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To: ElkGroveDan

The only danger was of an overreaching government sticking their noses in where they are not wanted.


2 posted on 05/22/2008 10:48:03 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

In before gnashing of teeth and wringing of hands!


3 posted on 05/22/2008 10:48:25 AM PDT by Domandred (McCain's 'R' is a typo that has never been corrected)
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To: ElkGroveDan

The mob will not be pleased.


4 posted on 05/22/2008 10:49:20 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Heller: The defining moment of our Republic)
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Court: Texas had no right to take polygamists' kids 3 minutes ago

But five minutes ago would have been ok?

5 posted on 05/22/2008 10:49:25 AM PDT by Ron Jeremy
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To: ElkGroveDan
Very interesting. It seems that those of us who were worried about all that silly 'due process' stuff were right all along.

L

6 posted on 05/22/2008 10:50:30 AM PDT by Lurker (Pimping my blog: http://lurkerslair-lurker.blogspot.com/)
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To: lady lawyer

FYI


8 posted on 05/22/2008 10:51:55 AM PDT by Lurker (Pimping my blog: http://lurkerslair-lurker.blogspot.com/)
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The state has found zero abuse or otherwise the appeals court would have ruled otherwise. The warrant should have ended the second they found out that the call was fake.


10 posted on 05/22/2008 10:52:49 AM PDT by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Oh, my.


11 posted on 05/22/2008 10:53:05 AM PDT by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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Heh. If it hadn’t been “legally and factually insufficient” how would you tell it had been performed by CPS?


12 posted on 05/22/2008 10:53:21 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( Uh...fight SCD. Schwa Collapse Disorder is spreading. Save the a word. Just say uh.)
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Wow, a ruling for actual liberty and freedom!

I got excoriated by quite a few people here when I suggested that just blindly taking all of these children away from their mothers was unjust.

13 posted on 05/22/2008 10:54:24 AM PDT by jpl ("Don't tell me words don't matter." - Barack Obama, via Deval Patrick)
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Pass the popcorn, this should be good.


14 posted on 05/22/2008 10:54:36 AM PDT by rhombus
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“child welfare officials had no right to seize more than 400 children...”

Damn right they didn’t! They will deserve every lawsuit that’ll come out of this.

Militant


16 posted on 05/22/2008 10:55:41 AM PDT by militant2 ("From time to time, the tree of Liberty must be nourished with the blood of tyrants!")
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To: ElkGroveDan

No sweat, the CPS will just round them up and bus them back to the ranch, right?


17 posted on 05/22/2008 10:56:14 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/politics/entries/2008/05/22/judge_cps_improperly_removed_f.html

Judges: CPS improperly removed FLDS children
By Chuck Lindell | Thursday, May 22, 2008, 12:32 PM

A Texas agency improperly removed more than 450 children from a polygamist ranch in West Texas, an Austin appeals court ruled today.

The Texas Department of Family and Protective Services failed to prove that children at the YFZ Ranch were in danger and needed to be removed from their homes, the 3rd Texas Court of Appeals ruled.

In addition, the appellate court ruled that District Judge Barbara Walther abused her discretion by failing to return the children after three days of hearings last month.

“Even if one views the FLDS belief system as creating a danger of sexual abuse by grooming boys to be perpetrators of sexual abuse and raising girls to be victims of sexual abuse as the department contends, there is no evidence that this danger is ‘immediate’ or ‘urgent,’ as contemplated” by state law, the court opinion states.


18 posted on 05/22/2008 10:56:26 AM PDT by deport ( -- Cue Spooky Music --)
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I see the appeals court didn’t order a return yet. So it seems the appeal ruling hangs on the definition of what “immediate” is.


20 posted on 05/22/2008 10:56:56 AM PDT by DannyTN
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Amen! There is a long line of SCOTUS precedent giving parents the fundamental right to the care, custody, and control of their children. Unless the parents are unfit, the govt cannot pry them away from their parents.

Substantive Due Process- 1
US Govt- 0


21 posted on 05/22/2008 10:57:41 AM PDT by conservativeinferno (My SUV is the urban squirrel's worst predator.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

-—I suspect the Texas taxpayers will be footing the bill for this for a long time—


25 posted on 05/22/2008 10:58:11 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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I linked to this article in another post on this, but since yours is currently in the Breaking News section, I thought it might be beneficial to post it in your thread too...

From the Deseret News:
http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,700228198,00.html

Appeals court rules officials acted improperly in removing FLDS children
By Ben Winslow and Amy Joi O’Donoghue
Deseret News
Published: May 22, 2008
ELDORADO, Texas — An Austin appeals court has ruled that Texas child welfare authorities acted improperly in removing more than 450 children from the FLDS Church’s YFZ Ranch.

The 3rd Court of Appeals ruled on a legal challenge by a group of FLDS mothers seeking to have their children returned to them immediately.

“CPS was not justified in removing these children,” said Cynthia Martinez of the Texas Rio Grande Legal Aid Society, which is representing the mothers. “They did not provide any evidence that the children were in danger, and they acted hastily in removing the children.”

It is unclear if the children will be returned immediately to the ranch or what impact this will have on ongoing status hearings.

Outside the ranch, an FLDS woman rushed up to attorney Julie Balovich and hugged her, crying. They both went onto the ranch, but did not speak with reporters.

“This is huge,” Balovich told the Deseret News as she left the YFZ Ranch.

One FLDS woman, who was headed to court in San Angelo this afternoon, seemed pleased, but reserved, about the decision.

“That’s encouraging,” said a woman named Annette, when told of the decision by a Deseret News reporter. “I’m waiting to see if it’s really going to happen.”

Marleigh Meisner, a spokeswoman for the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services, said the agency has just received word of the ruling. “We are assessing the impact it may have on our case. Any decision regarding an appeal will be made at a later date.”

After hearing the news outside the San Angelo courthouse, one FLDS woman said, “There is justice in America.”

The woman was standing with William Crouse, a parenting instructor from the House of Yahweh, which is another religious group in Texas that has come under scrutiny by state officials. Criminal charges have been filed against members of that group, alleging it is a “sex cult.”

“People are finally starting to see through it,” Crouse said. “They’re attacking these people for what they believe in. It’s nothing but malarkey.”

E-mail: bwinslow@desnews.com; amyjoi@desnews.com


26 posted on 05/22/2008 10:58:30 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (The LibertyRocks Blog - http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com & http://www.LibertyRocks.us)
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OK. They didn't have the right. Who pays a penalty? Another gov’t agency operated by bureaucratic thugs and totally out of control. It should be shut down and those who presided over it thrown in jail.
27 posted on 05/22/2008 10:59:53 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Politicalmom; greyfoxx39; colorcountry

PING


34 posted on 05/22/2008 11:01:19 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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