Posted on 06/05/2008 3:57:58 PM PDT by LeGrande
California has mandated reporters who file complaints anonymously against parents for just about any reason including revenge.
Mandated Reporters are anyone who comes in contact with a child at some point.
This includes for example school aids, one-on-one aids, teachers, janitors, principals, office staff and volunteers with the ability to file an anonymous complaint that could and usually does cost several thousand dollars in attorney fees.
We are not talking about molestation, sex abuse or physical abuse but frivolous assertions.
My wife Doc of OKIEDOC did not realize until coming to California just how Nazi like the CPS laws were in this state.
I have gone so far as to sign a petition asking that the United Nations investigate California CPS for human rights violations.
I do not support the FLDS but the actions of the CPS in this case only point up the dangers about what most should know before making posts in a public forum.
They believed Swinton because Swinton was being fed serious stuff to tell them.
and most who follow this suspect who that someone was
it was a complimentary relationship and might have worked but they overeached taking them all
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Same here.
I was surprised to see some posts by FReepers who over the past years I have come to admire for their cool savvy.
But I guess these cool savvy FReepers let their hatred of a cult overload their ability to realize that if the Texas CPS can do it to the cult they dang sure would do it to anyone that got into their way.
Not only that, these people in the eyes of Texas authorities had their civil rights given under the Constitution trampled by sweet young social workers wearing jack boots and armed with oppressive laws.
I do hope that some politicians will take up the cause of these over zealous folks and even the playing field for parents.
The Ranger swore to personally seeing some of the evidence and personally interviewing girls.
http://web.gosanangelo.com/pdf/FLDSaffidavit.pdf
let me tell you.
if you questioned any of this one iota then you were smeared as a defender of child rape and so forth
maybe the vilest retorts on and on I’ve ever seen here in 8 years....just insane accusatory stuff ad nauseum
underneath much of it is open anti-Mormonsim, subtle or not so subtle female venting over women being submissive to odd religious practices...or worse
and some well meaning freepers who just let their emotions go to their head.
i alwasy said I figured it would go Short Creek and that consent law violations would be about it....period....not condoning or approving and alway qualifying about welfare fraud and lost boys though I read just recently there is no welfare at Eldorado...not sure if true.
but man....the salacious stuff running thru this.....8 year old brides, baby sacrifices and hidden murders and so forth....just wild stuff....it went on and on
run it all down best you can and try to reply and if the strident didn’t like your evidence they’s just name call and move on.
in the end...here we are....basically Short Creek again
It’s hatred of child abuse and sexual abuse.
The laws concerning abuse must be enforced to protect the abused. No ifs, ands, or buts.
The laws concerning age of consent and marriage must be enforced when girls such as Jeff’s 16 year old daughter are brought to the attention of authorities. Otherwise, we have no marriage laws in Texas, and will lose the right to know when our daughters seek birth control or have an abortion.
I pushed for the standardization of our age of consent laws so that abortion clinics couldn’t claim the confusion over which abortions to report and whether girls needed parental notification — now consent.
I also lobbied for our Defense of Marriage Act becoming a State Constitutional amendment after the high-handed way so many judges and local officials in other States broke the law concerning marriage and we had a same sex couple try to get their Vermont civil union dissolved - and property settlements - in Texas courts. That amendment passed with 72% of the vote.
All of the Affiants that were listed are New Bridge employees. Long did not swear to any personal knowledge of the situation, other than she had been to the YFZ Ranch and had seen buildings and around 100 persons on it.
What was the probable cause for obtaining the warrants given that the Texas Supreme Court has decided that insufficient cause existed to take any of the children?
The TSC ruled they didn’t meet the criteria of the law to take temp custody of the children. Nothing was ruled on regarding the either warrant. Thus until the warrants are ruled invalid then they still stand. The CPS is still investigating, the DAs are still researching potential criminal charges, etc.
If the perp wasn't in Texas, that certainly eliminated the imminent danger part, and the justification for taking the children.
I know for a fact birth certificates and drivers licenses can be verified in a matter of hours if LEO needs it done quickly.
Hours? Even on a dial up connection I bet it wouldn't take more than a few seconds. The problem was that the LEO's and CPS were already convinced of the guilt of the FLDS and anything that might dispute that guilt was not considered credible. The term is called True Believer Syndrome.
In that second affidavit at that link, Long reports personally seeing the buildings, the bed with a long hair on it, and interviewing girls. The “hundred” persons is the number that Willie Jessop stated were living on the ranch.
and most who follow this suspect who that someone was
Hmmm, maybe, but I think that the CPS and LEO's only heard what they wanted to hear. It is something very similar to what happens to people when they go see a fortune teller.
If someone had been feeding the caller information I think that they would have been better served referring to people who actually were at the FLDS compound. It kind of puts a damper on the case when neither the perp or the victim are at the scene of the crime. Taking all of the witnesses and passerby's into custody is kind of counter productive.
I think (maybe, who knows yet)Swinton was used by someone well known in the anti-FLDS arena to feed stuff to the Texas authorities.
the funny thing is that after all this rabid venting on these threads that when the truths are known, there will be little publicity
I still strongly believe we need laws to protect children from abuse.
However, others may not have the same views of abuse as me.
In California if you spank a child with anything other than the palm of your hand then it is considered child abuse.
If you do spank with the hand, a CPS worker had better not see a handprint.
If you get upset and yell at your child for a major screw up, yep child abuse.
If you don't do as the state says, it is child abuse.
In California the problem arises because no one can tell you with any authority what really constitutes child abuse.
Parents with children who have some sort of disability such as those children with ADHD or Autism are automatically considered At Risk Families.
The state Child Protective Service can step in and then the nightmare starts for the family.
By the way, once the police take the children into custody the parents no longer have any rights to make decisions as to anything from medical care or what clothes to wear.
Most of the time, unless the parent pleads guilty the costs to take care of a complaint can run upwards of $10,000 dollars.
In California, each parent has their own attorney assigned by the CPS whether you want the children to have one or not.
Each child in the family automatically gets an individual CPS attorney who works not for the parents good but for the CPS agenda.
By the way, the parents, whether they win in court or not are financially obligated to pay the mandated attorney fee assigned by CPS.
As one very liberal CPS attorney told me, “The state is better prepared to raise at risk children” than most parents.
Searching the Internet shows thousands of posts from parents caught up in false accusations of child abuse.
A parent falsely and anonymously accused has little or no recourse to face their accusers.
All it takes is some school employee getting mad at a parent and oops there go's the anonymous report of child abuse.
Also, as the liberal CPS attorney told me “in child abuse accusations the parent is guilty until proved innocent”.
In most cases, CPS exerts overbearing pressure on parents to cop a plea whether guilty or not.
In many cases it's all about notches in the gun belt of the case workers.
Just the lowly opinion of a red state wannabe.
Those parents Homeschooling should be very aware that the very liberal CPS currently has them in their sights.
I rarely find those such as me fighting the injustices found in many CPS laws want any less in protecting our children.
However, what we want is a level playing field that does not take away our parental rights just because some CPS worker says so.
As a local advertisement says, “you just had to be there to understand” the injustice involved.
And I would be willing to bet that a lot of the 'truth' will never be known, all that will be remembered are the false allegations.
I use a paddle on my three boys.
Nazis
Merril also identified himself as the one in 'authority' at the ranch. Since then, Merril, along with Wendell Nielsen and some other men, have disappeared.
Willie Jessop, who has emerged as the new spokesman for the flds, is from Utah. He was and other people from different 'compounds' have moved to Texas. The sheriff said there's a bunch of new faces there now.
Willie was Warren Jeffs' bodyguard and one of Warren's faithful spies who turned in Winston Blackmore for insubordination during Warren's church take over. Willie was the main thug who stood at the door of the meeting house turning people away from meetings, funerals, and other social activities. Willie was one who evicted people from their own homes at the whim of Warren. Willie's first statement to the media when contacted in Texas was "do unto others as you would have them do to you."
He is married to Kristina and Cynthia, two of Milward Barlow's daughters.
No the Texas Supreme Court agreed with the Appeals Court in that the order to take the kids into custody “for their own good” was found to be excessive because other first step measures were not attempted. That is why The Texas Supreme Court upheld the Appeals Court ruling that reversed Judge Walters order to take the kids into custody. No first steps and failure to demonstrate “immediate danger.”
I merely pointed out that the TSC did nothing about that matter.
Based upon the finding that no first measures were requested by CPS there is no “matter.” It apparently exists in your imagination. What the Texas Supreme Court ruled on is quite clear and simple.
And, you agree.
Apparently you can not grasp the issues involved to the degree necessary to understand that I did not agree with you, I pointed out your errors. Much as I am having to do now.
BTW, be sure to let everyone here know when you appear in a court regarding any of this F(lds) stuff. Maybe we can catch the film on the news.
Looks like you are running a bit thin on logic and reason, what with reverting to such juvenile statements.
What they needed was a smart head to tell them to check to see if this Sarah was real, and could have inside knowledge of what was going on inside the YFZ Ranch facilities. Starting with getting the phone records of her 30-40 hours of calls to the "crisis hot line".
At this point, someone, the Texas Rangers or the FBI, should be checking to see if anyone, such as the Sheriff's CI, was placing ideas and information into the head of "Sarah", aka Rosita. If nothing else, they should be prosecuting Rosita for making a false report...maybe, they were careful not to make the report to a law enforcmement or other government agency. Might not be punishable if the fake call goes to a third party, especially one who just happens to have recording capability, but not caller ID.
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