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'Bush Lied'? If Only It Were That Simple.
The Washington Post ^ | Monday, June 9, 2008 | Fred Hiatt

Posted on 06/09/2008 1:47:10 AM PDT by edpc

Search the Internet for "Bush Lied" products, and you will find sites that offer more than a thousand designs. The basic "Bush Lied, People Died" bumper sticker is only the beginning.

Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), chairman of the Select Committee on Intelligence, set out to provide the official foundation for what has become not only a thriving business but, more important, an article of faith among millions of Americans. And in releasing a committee report Thursday, he claimed to have accomplished his mission, though he did not use the L-word.

"In making the case for war, the administration repeatedly presented intelligence as fact when it was unsubstantiated, contradicted or even nonexistent," he said.

There's no question that the administration, and particularly Vice President Cheney, spoke with too much certainty at times and failed to anticipate or prepare the American people for the enormous undertaking in Iraq.

But dive into Rockefeller's report, in search of where exactly President Bush lied about what his intelligence agencies were telling him about the threat posed by Saddam Hussein, and you may be surprised by what you find.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: West Virginia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 110th; bush; bushlied; desperatedems; despertedems; iraq; prewarintelligence; rockefeller; wot
"There has been some debate over how 'imminent' a threat Iraq poses. I do believe Iraq poses an imminent threat. I also believe after September 11, that question is increasingly outdated. . . . To insist on further evidence could put some of our fellow Americans at risk. Can we afford to take that chance? I do not think we can." - Senator John D. Rockefeller, October 2002

The WaPo editorial staff allows the facts to get in the way of a "good story."

1 posted on 06/09/2008 1:47:11 AM PDT by edpc
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To: edpc

I’m not sure about them allowing facts to get in the way of a good story—I found this a shockingly fair piece for the WaPo.


2 posted on 06/09/2008 1:51:06 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Republican "Suicide Voters" need to repeat: SCOTUS...SCOTUS...SCOTUS...)
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To: edpc

Regardless of your political standing, the disrespect that this president has suffered has been monsterous. I won’t argue his decisions, I won’t support some of his decisions, but even with Clinton the Intern Stuffer, I never saw this kind of hateful disrespect. It’s old, it’s stupid, it’s destructive to our country’s reputation, and I’m frankly sick to death of the “it’s Bush’s fault” from global warming to 9/11 where I’ve seen pictures of him actually setting the explosive to take down the trade towers. My only wish is if a dim gets into the White House he/she/it is treated exactly the same.


3 posted on 06/09/2008 1:54:01 AM PDT by Hi Heels (Better a rhino than a jackass....sigh.....)
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To: Darkwolf377

That’s kind of my point. The “good story” comment was a bit of sarcasm, as the “Bush Lied” mantra has been the MSM theme on Iraq for years.


4 posted on 06/09/2008 1:58:10 AM PDT by edpc (Tagline Currently Under Construction)
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To: edpc; Clintonfatigued; darkangel82; Kuksool; NewRomeTacitus; wardaddy; Clemenza; JohnnyZ; Impy; ...
"Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), chairman of the Select Committee on Intelligence"

What, no Patty Murray in charge here ? I mean these are the giants of the Senate, intellectually-speaking. Put these two together and you almost get a double-digit IQ...almost.

5 posted on 06/09/2008 1:59:27 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Hi Heels

Of course, the heaping on Bush has been appalling. And no, a rodent would NEVER get this kind of treatment. Not even short-bus riding scum like Carter, who truly deserves eternal scorn.


6 posted on 06/09/2008 2:01:09 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: edpc

I just didn’t understand the way you phrased it is all.


7 posted on 06/09/2008 2:03:59 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Republican "Suicide Voters" need to repeat: SCOTUS...SCOTUS...SCOTUS...)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

No lie. Totally the main candidate for the worst president ever contest.


8 posted on 06/09/2008 2:04:06 AM PDT by Hi Heels (Better a rhino than a jackass....sigh.....)
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To: edpc

If Bush were dishonest, the weapons of mass destruction would have been “found” years ago. It would have been child’s play for the Israelis to have planted them in Iraq for our soldiers to “find”


9 posted on 06/09/2008 2:11:44 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: Hi Heels

...and he also wins hands-down for worst EX-President. He thinks he has the right to interfere with foreign policy. He pulled this crap with Clinton (who should’ve revoked his passport), and has continued to do so today. Not even Bubba has been that single-mindedly arrogant. The worst the latter is doing these days is grousing he can’t get it up since he had that coronary surgery.


10 posted on 06/09/2008 2:16:09 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Darkwolf377

Just a play on the old criticism of the newsies: Never the facts get in the way of a good story, paraphrased and sometimes attributed to either J. Frank Dobie or Delbert Trew.


11 posted on 06/09/2008 2:20:33 AM PDT by edpc (Tagline Currently Under Construction)
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To: edpc
The Rockefeller report will not cause a spike in "Bush Lied" mug sales, and the Bond dissent will not lead anyone to scrape the "Bush Lied" bumper sticker off his or her car.

Maybe Master Whore McClellan offered Senator Rockhead a kickback from book sales in exchange for this non-report.

But the phony "Bush lied" story line distracts from the biggest prewar failure: the fact that so much of the intelligence upon which Bush and Rockefeller and everyone else relied turned out to be tragically, catastrophically wrong.

Uh...weren't our allies given the exact same information? Perhaps when we fell to our knees before the UN and stayed there for months begging for their support, we gave Sodomy Hussein all the time he needed to dispose of the WMDs or ship them to his good friends in Syria? Not an original theory; I've heard it suggested many times. And it makes good sense (a foreign concept to the likes of Senator Rockhead). To my knowledge, though, it's never been investigated. Guess we're too busy investigating the possible "mistreatment" of terrorist prisoners who are hell-bent on destroying this country.

12 posted on 06/09/2008 2:25:53 AM PDT by Tabi Katz
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To: Hi Heels

Sorry the Republicans are too weak (lack back bone) to push (whine) like the democrats when they are against something and the news media would never cover it even if they found their back bone. I feel sorry for Pres. Bush because the dem’s have tasted blood and there is no stopping them. Bush is doomed.
It is just like when Satan said to Eve, “surely God DIDN’T say don’t eat of the fruit...” there is just enough of a twist that most of the nation is to gullible to realize they are fed a lot of crap. The Democrats are the most hateful people I have ever seen in my life and this big division we now have in our country is directly because of them.
Well I feel sorry for anyone that gets in my way this week, I must be in a mood ... LOL


13 posted on 06/09/2008 2:30:42 AM PDT by blueyon (Loose lips sink ships.)
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To: edpc
In my opinion the “Bush lied and people died” crowd are despicable. Are fundamentally dishonest and of low character. I want nothing to do with them.
14 posted on 06/09/2008 2:46:13 AM PDT by DB
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Isn't that just amazing? Since when do ex-presidents have the authority to negotiate with terrorists? Billy Boy does the same thing! I was astounded when Hitlery Clintoon went to Iraq. Why? Is NY so safe and great that she has TIME to go to Iraq and deal with THAT on taxpayer dollar? And then Sean Penn. No education to speak of, yet a SF newspaper pays him as a “journalist” the great Spicolli, so he goes to Iraq, too. And he sees checkpoints and guns and omg.... Whaddya expect ya moron? Girl Scouts making dreamcatchers? Hello? It's a war zone, not a fashion show. Go smoke weed and screw rock stars. Do something yer good at.
15 posted on 06/09/2008 2:46:48 AM PDT by Hi Heels (Better a rhino than a jackass....sigh.....)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Isn't that just amazing? Since when do ex-presidents have the authority to negotiate with terrorists? Billy Boy does the same thing! I was astounded when Hitlery Clintoon went to Iraq. Why? Is NY so safe and great that she has TIME to go to Iraq and deal with THAT on taxpayer dollar? And then Sean Penn. No education to speak of, yet a SF newspaper pays him as a “journalist” the great Spicolli, so he goes to Iraq, too. And he sees checkpoints and guns and omg.... Whaddya expect ya moron? Girl Scouts making dreamcatchers? Hello? It's a war zone, not a fashion show. Go smoke weed and screw rock stars. Do something yer good at.
16 posted on 06/09/2008 2:46:49 AM PDT by Hi Heels (Better a rhino than a jackass....sigh.....)
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To: Darkwolf377

I think the WaPo may actually be concerned about Obama’s total lack of reality in dealing with national security and foreign policy.


17 posted on 06/09/2008 3:07:15 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Elected Republicans don't have even the survival instincts of an amoeba.)
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To: edpc; All
Pre-war quotes from "lying" House and Senate democrats...

"In 1998, the United States also changed its underlying policy toward Iraq from containment to regime change and began to examine options to effect such a change, including support for Iraqi opposition leaders within the country and abroad.

In the 4 years since the inspectors, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al-Qaida members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001."

"It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein wiill continue to increase his capability to wage biological and chemical warfare and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East which, as we know all too well, affects American security."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
Congressional Record – Sen. Hillary Clinton

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2002_record&page=S10288&position=all

John Kerry: “I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq – Saddam Hussein is a renegade and outlaw who turned his back on the tough conditions of his surrender put in place by the United Nations in 1991.” (July 2002)

John Kerry: “I believe the record of Saddam Hussein’s ruthless, reckless breach of international values and standards of behavior is cause enough for the world community to hold him accountable by use of force if necessary.”

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
U.S. Senate - Ted Kennedy

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." -
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
Transcript of Gore’s speech, printed in USA Today

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-09-23-gore-text_x.htm

"When I vote to give the President of the United States the authority to use force, if necessary, to disarm Saddam Hussein, it is because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a threat, and a grave threat, to our security and that of our allies in the Persian Gulf region. I will vote yes because I believe it is the best way to hold Saddam Hussein accountable." -
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9,2002
Congressional Record – Sen. John F. Kerry

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2002_record&page=S10174&position=all

John Kerry on the floor of the Senate
October 2002:

"With respect to Saddam Hussein and the threat he presents, we must ask ourselves a simple question:

Why?

Why is Saddam Hussein pursuing weapons that most nations have agreed to limit or give up?

Why is Saddam Hussein guilty of breaking his own cease-fire agreement with the international community?

Why is Saddam Hussein attempting to develop nuclear weapons when most nations don't even try, and responsible nations that have them attempt to limit their potential for disaster?

Why did Saddam Hussein threaten and provoke?

Why does he develop missiles that exceed allowable limits?

Why did Saddam Hussein lie and deceive the inspection teams previously?

Why did Saddam Hussein not account for all of the weapons of mass destruction which UNSCOM identified?

Why is he seeking to develop unmanned airborne vehicles for delivery of biological agents?

Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), October 9, 2002
Congressional Record – Sen. John F. Kerry

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2002_record&page=S10171&position=all

“The Joint Chiefs should provide Congress with casualty estimates for a war in Iraq as they have done in advance of every past conflict. These estimates should consider Saddam's possible use of chemical or biological weapons against our troops.

Unlike the gulf war, many experts believe Saddam would resort to chemical and biological weapons against our troops in a desperate -attempt to save his regime if he believes he and his regime are ultimately threatened.”
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) Oct. 8, 2002
Congressional Record - Sen. Ted Kennedy

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?position=all&page=S10090&dbname=2002_record

John Kerry: “I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq – Saddam Hussein is a renegade and outlaw who turned his back on the tough conditions of his surrender put in place by the United Nations in 1991.” (July 2002)

John Kerry: “I believe the record of Saddam Hussein’s ruthless, reckless breach of international values and standards of behavior is cause enough for the world community to hold him accountable by use of force if necessary.”

John Kerry: “I would disagree with John McCain that it's the actual weapons of mass destruction he may use against us, it's what he may do in another invasion of Kuwait or in a miscalculation about the Kurds or a miscalculation about Iran or particularly Israel. Those are the things that--that I think present the greatest danger. He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It's the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat." (October 2002)

John Kerry: “If You Don’t Believe . . . Saddam Hussein is a threat with nuclear weapons, then you shouldn’t vote for me.” (January 2003)

John Kerry: Saddam Hussein is a brutal dictator who must be disarmed. (March 2003)

"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal."..."Iraq has continued to seek nuclear weapons and develop its arsenal in defiance of the collective will of the international community, as expressed through the United Nations Security Council. It is violating the terms of the 1991 cease-fire that ended the Gulf war and as many as 16 Security Council resolutions, including 11 resolutions concerning Iraq’s efforts to develop weapons of mass destruction." –
Sen. John Edwards, October 10, 2002
Congressional Record – Sen. John Edwards

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2002_record&page=S10325&position=all

"There is no doubt that . Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." –
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001
http://usinfo.org/wf-archive/2001/011207/epf510.htm

"We should be hell bent on getting those weapons of mass destruction, hell bent on having a credible approach to them, but we should try to do it in a way which keeps the world together and that achieves our goal which is removing the... defanging Saddam.." -
Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Dec. 9, 2002
Online with Jim Lehrer – Public Broadcasting Service

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec02/iraq_12-10.html

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." -
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
Transcript of Gore’s speech, printed in USA Today

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-09-23-gore-text_x.htm

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
Transcript of Gore’s speech, printed in USA Today

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-09-23-gore-text_x.htm

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
U.S. Senate - Ted Kennedy

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." -
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
Congressional Record – Robert Byrd

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2002_record&page=S9874&position=all

"When I vote to give the President of the United States the authority to use force, if necessary, to disarm Saddam Hussein, it is because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a threat, and a grave threat, to our security and that of our allies in the Persian Gulf region. I will vote yes because I believe it is the best way to hold Saddam Hussein accountable." -
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9,2002
Congressional Record – Sen. John F. Kerry

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2002_record&page=S10174&position=all

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years .. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."-
Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
Congressional Record –Sen. Jay Rockefeller

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" –
Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
Congressional Record – Rep. Henry Waxman

MY SOURCE FOR ALL OF THESE QUOTES:
http://www.americandaily.com/article/4694

18 posted on 06/09/2008 3:12:11 AM PDT by ETL
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To: edpc

Party of Defeat: How Democrats and Radicals Undermined America's War on Terror Before and After 9-11
By David Horowitz and Ben Johnson
FrontPageMagazine.com | Friday, April 11, 2008

The following [link] is the introduction from the new book Party of Defeat by David Horowitz and Ben Johnson. The introduction lays out the book's thesis: that the opposition to the war in Iraq has crossed a troubling boundary. For the first time, a large number of national leaders have not merely opposed a war; that would be their inalienable right under the U.S. Constitution. Instead, they have actively sabotaged an ongoing war they voted to authorize and which our troops are currently winning. Party of Defeat is available from the FrontPage Magazine Bookstore for $15, less than Amazon.com. -- The Editors.

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=28679004-6C63-4119-97F6-96A2C5F64E84

___________________________________________________________

"David Horowitz talked about his book Party of Defeat: How Democrats and Radicals Undermined America's War on Terror Before and After 9-11, published by Spence. In his book he criticizes members of the Democratic Party that, he says, are undermining the U.S.'s efforts in Iraq. This event was held at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C."

Watch now on c-span video! (FREE)

Party of Defeat: How Democrats and Radicals Undermined America's War on Terror Before and After 9-11 (on streaming video - length: apprx 90min)
http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&products_id=205154-1&highlight

19 posted on 06/09/2008 3:17:49 AM PDT by ETL
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To: edpc

bump


20 posted on 06/09/2008 3:18:03 AM PDT by Skooz (Any nation that would elect Hillary Clinton as its president has forfeited its right to exist.)
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To: Hi Heels
Hi Heels,

Yes it was destructive, and a Dem will never be treated the same.

The problem is where Obamanation will take us will probably wake people up a bit as to how good it was and how good GWB was given all his policy faults.

21 posted on 06/09/2008 3:18:58 AM PDT by taildragger (The Answer is Fred Thompson, I do not care what the question is.....)
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To: edpc
much of the intelligence upon which Bush and Rockefeller and everyone else relied turned out to be tragically, catastrophically wrong.

WaPo staff cuts must have left a reporting gap on new intelligence gleaned from Saddam's pre-war documents. Or else nobody's looked at Weekly Standard or NRO in a while.
22 posted on 06/09/2008 3:41:22 AM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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To: Hi Heels

I don’t know why you are having a problem with Hillary having gone to Iraq. Are you forgetting we have troops there?


23 posted on 06/09/2008 4:26:53 AM PDT by Kaslin (Because the DemocRats lied and abetted the enemy, thousands died)
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To: DB

A woman in my area has a “Bush lied and people died” bumper sticker on her car. Her son went to West Point and was injured in Iraq. The disconnect is unbelieveable. How did Bush lie? He was relying on information that was provided to him. Who are the liars here?


24 posted on 06/09/2008 7:02:25 AM PDT by LottieDah (Democrats and liberals never fail to disappoint.)
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To: edpc
If there was a scale that measured “Bush Lied, People Died,” with Congress on one end and the President on the other, the indicator needle would certainly we way over on the Congress side of instrument.

Congress butchered our people in Vietnam and have done their darnest to do so in Iraq and Afghanistan, IMHO

25 posted on 06/09/2008 7:13:34 AM PDT by elpadre (nation)
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To: edpc
Well informed and well reason criticism should be the basis of any attacks on those in high office. Of course, everybody is not perfect and most of us will sometimes deviate from this. Frustration causes an amount of rash criticism.

I believe that scurrilous attacks on the President, take on a life of their own. The question as to what percentage of a mob mentality then exists is anyone's guess. Sufficient to say that, if the press had been as biased for President Bush, as against, there must be a different story. I would hazard he would be at 50/50 at least. This in popular opinion.

Yet, even if there was, it still would not differ from the actual performance of the office.

Time will be the judge.

26 posted on 06/09/2008 8:34:19 AM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: Kaslin
1. I don't like anything Hillary does.

2. When her home plate is clean, then she should venture out and save the world, dontcha think? NY needs a senator, not an ambassador to Iraq.

3. It's showboating.

4. Did I miss something and the troops requested her presence? Missing the view in pantsuits or something?

27 posted on 06/09/2008 12:33:49 PM PDT by Hi Heels (Better a rhino than a jackass....sigh.....)
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To: edpc

What's with the aversion to checking for the the "editorial" sidebar? Was there a message that I missed or overlooked?
28 posted on 06/09/2008 1:34:58 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: Hi Heels
Did I miss something and the troops requested her presence? Missing the view in pantsuits or something?

According to Her Heinous, the troops seemed to "enjoy meeting [Her]self."

I'm just sayin'....

29 posted on 06/09/2008 2:03:51 PM PDT by thulldud (Congress does not want answers. They want scapegoats. (andy58-in-nh))
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To: Hi Heels

I don’t know what you are talking about. If I recall that was Pelosi who recently went to Iraq playing ambassador


30 posted on 06/09/2008 2:04:35 PM PDT by Kaslin (Because the DemocRats lied and abetted the enemy, thousands died)
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To: edpc

btt


31 posted on 06/09/2008 2:45:49 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Kaslin
Last try. Actually when Bush went to see the troops the first time on Thanksgiving, he slipped in ahead of Hillary who planned a trip right afterwards. She was mighty pissed. I'm sorry, I'm not sure of the year and figure you can do your own homework. She may not have even gone given the unfriendly publicity, but I believe she did.

Is there a reason for this hostility or am I reading too much into this: "I don’t know what you are talking about." Because frankly, I try to be pleasant to everyone and expect the same if the discussion is to continue. And if you're defending HRC? I don't know what YOU'RE talking about.

32 posted on 06/09/2008 4:59:18 PM PDT by Hi Heels (Better a rhino than a jackass....sigh.....)
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To: edpc; wastedyears; Just A Nobody; o_zarkman44; ExTexasRedhead; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; ...
Related thread:

The Senate's Intelligence

New York Sun ^ | June 9, 2008 | The Editors

33 posted on 06/09/2008 8:01:04 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: edpc

any link, preferably video, to rockerfeller saying this???

TIA....


34 posted on 06/09/2008 8:11:32 PM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: ETL
It’s difficult to imagine they are so blatantly antiAmerican!

See this :

Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American Left

And a review:

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By  Kat Bakhu (Albuquerque, NM United States) - See all my reviews
(REAL NAME)   
This review is from: Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American Left (Hardcover)
I had long wondered why people on the Left had the propensity to speak more positively about people who would slit their throats than they do about their own country, which affords them more freedom and opportunity than anywhere else. David Horowitz has answered that question thoroughly and convincingly in his Unholy Alliance. Where I felt bewildered and confused, I now feel crystal clear. Unholy Alliance is such a great book.

It begins with the leftist movements at the beginning of the 20th Century, and works its way up to the present day, exploring the anti-American attitude of these movements in detail. Horowitz shows that the enemies of the US back then are largely the same group today, operating under the same misperceptions, making the same mistakes, and pursuing the same impossible utopia.

Individual chapters are included on the Patriot Act (I was persuaded that it is a GOOD thing); the democratic flip-flop on Iraq once G.W. Bush implemented what they agreed with Clinton needed to be done; the driving components of the current anti-war movement; as well as chapters on individual personalities who are major spokespeople of the Left. Horowitz covers a lot of ground, and he covers it concisely and clearly. Unholy Alliance is richly informative without ever being boring or plodding.

This book is so illuminating that I simply cannot do justice to it here. I love people who reason so clearly that they help me get my own reasoning clear. Horowitz is just that type of person! In the terrain of mindless clichés (no-blood-for-oil, etc.), he is a breath of real fresh air.
35 posted on 06/09/2008 8:14:28 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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The Senate Intel Report: So Much For ‘Bush Lied’
New York Post | 07/10/04 | John Podhoretz
Posted on 07/10/2004 2:21:28 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1168711/posts

If the Bush Admin. Lied About WMD, So Did These People
Right Wing News | 6/11/03 | John Hawkins
Posted on 06/11/2003 2:03:28 PM PDT by Political Numbers Guy
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/927208/posts

If The Bush Administration Lied About WMD, So Did These People (Updated)
Right Wing News | June 19, 2003 | John Hawkins
Posted on 06/19/2003 6:11:23 AM PDT by conservativecorner
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/931783/posts

If The Bush Administration Lied About WMD, So Did These People — Version 3.0
right wing news dot com | Hawkins
Posted on 06/09/2005 10:53:22 PM PDT by doug from upland
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1420101/posts

Did They Really Say That?
(Democratic lies about President Bush going to war unnecessarily)
Posted on 07/15/2004 7:22:08 PM PDT by Happy2BMe
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1172331/posts

Terry Larkin: If Bush ‘lied,’ then he’s in very good company (letter to the Editor)
star tribune | 6/11/2005 | Terry Larkin
Posted on 06/10/2005 6:21:00 PM PDT by bitt
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1420690/posts

Response To An Angry Bush-Basher
Jewish Press | 6/30/2004 | STUART W. MIRSKY
Posted on 06/30/2004 12:20:01 PM PDT by SJackson
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1163205/posts


36 posted on 06/09/2008 10:06:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: Darkwolf377
I’m not sure about them allowing facts to get in the way of a good story—I found this a shockingly fair piece for the WaPo.

Agreed. I'm sure there are plenty of newsroom mice gnashing their teeth over their paper actually publishing this.

But what the article points up to me - - again - - is how little fight there is in George W. Bush. He has consistently refused to stand up and defend himself. The man just sits there like a punching bag, and that makes all of us who have supported him over the years look like wimps by extension. Thanks, Dubya. Thanks a lot.


37 posted on 06/09/2008 10:17:43 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
That's been the single biggest disappointment of his presidency--the total failure to communicate effectively. With smart, effective folks communicating the WH positions and fighting every attack early on, the presidency would have been on a much different footing. Instead, there have been many, many cases (starting with Iraq) where Bush was right but just sat there taking it from all sides with barely a peep.

His father was the same way. I'm reminded of when he ran against Clinton and couldn't believe anyone would vote for him, because of his draft status, Bush's war heroism, etc.

Why so many Republicans try this get-along stuff, I don't know. They want to be perceived as NICE by the folks they meet at DC cocktail parties, where Republicans outside of DC don't give a damn--we'd rather not be invited to such things.

38 posted on 06/09/2008 10:33:00 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: God luvs America
There must be video of it somewhere, as it was part of a Senate speech in October of 2002. Here are some additional comments he had at the time regarding the WOT and Iraq.

As the attacks of September 11 demonstrated, the immense destructiveness of modern technology means we can no longer afford to wait around for a smoking gun. September 11 demonstrated that the fact that an attack on our homeland has not yet occurred cannot give us any false sense of security that one will not occur in the future. We no longer have that luxury.

September 11 changed America. It made us realize we must deal differently with the very real threat of terrorism, whether it comes from shadowy groups operating in the mountains of Afghanistan or in 70 other countries around the world, including our own.

There has been some debate over how "imminent" a threat Iraq poses. I do believe that Iraq poses an imminent threat, but I also believe that after September 11, that question is increasingly outdated.

39 posted on 06/10/2008 1:26:30 AM PDT by edpc (Tagline Currently Under Construction)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
See this:

Thanks, but I've been posting the same for months...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2028077/posts?page=16#16

"It’s difficult to imagine they are so blatantly antiAmerican!"

Where did you get the quote from? I never said this. Did you mean to respond to someone else?

40 posted on 06/10/2008 1:39:36 AM PDT by ETL
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To: DB
In my opinion the “Bush lied and people died” crowd are despicable. Are fundamentally dishonest and of low character.

I think it was the so-called "anti-war" group United for Peace and Justice who first came out with that slogan ("Bush Lied, Who Died?" or something along these lines). Strangely, they were using it long before we knew what Saddam actually had. But maybe this explains it: UFPJ's national coordinator is a woman named Leslie Cagan. Cagan is a longtime supporter of communist causes and a devoted admirer of Fidel Castro. She founded the org Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism. CCDS is an old offshoot of Communist Party USA. One of UFPJ's co-chairs is Judith LeBlanc. LeBlanc is vice-chair of Communist Party USA. I suspect they were following Moscows' orders again in running that propaganda campaign.

41 posted on 06/10/2008 2:29:37 AM PDT by ETL
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To: DB
Speaking of (so-called) "liars", see:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2028201/posts?page=18#18
42 posted on 06/10/2008 2:35:29 AM PDT by ETL
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
GWB has went many rounds thus far playing rope the dope. He probably was convinced early on in due time what he did would be seen as not only expedient but crucial to future security of the United States.
Hell he flew F102's and knows things can get tough at times. A flameout, bingo fuel, eject over the gulf and hope to be recovered or perish by the sharks.
43 posted on 06/10/2008 5:32:52 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter was our best choice...)
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