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Was the Holocaust Inevitable? ( Patrick J. Buchanan )
townhall.com ^ | June 20, 2008 | Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted on 06/20/2008 8:12:50 AM PDT by kellynla

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To: Alouette

Quite true. I don’t know who could have made them “supreme” except the organization itself.


221 posted on 06/20/2008 11:04:07 AM PDT by buck jarret
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To: buck jarret
Slavs, who were to be the slaves of the future.

And the past. Slav is where the very word 'slave' came from in the first place.

222 posted on 06/20/2008 11:06:43 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can start differentiating, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians)
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To: hellbender
Buchanan has it backwards; going into Russia doomed any chance Hitler had of defeating Britain

Perhaps, but from Pat's perspective you have to erase lend-lease, to Russia and the Brits, from the equation. Stalin might have been defeated without US support, and Hitler's belief that England could have been starved into submission could well have come to be.

223 posted on 06/20/2008 11:08:04 AM PDT by SJackson (If we win Iowa, then we can move to the world as it should be, Michelle O)
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To: Carry_Okie
The correct word is "Shoah," meaning "disaster."

Ah, now I know why the Arabs call the founding of Israel the "Nakba", which also means disaster - another way of calling Jews nazis. [My opinion of Arabs censored as I really don't want my account suspended.]

224 posted on 06/20/2008 11:09:28 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("Code Pink should guard against creating stereotypes in the Mincing Community." --Titan Magroyne)
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To: sobieski

Practically, the Nazis could not have liquidated all of the Slavs. I am not aware that they planned to. They planned “Germanize” many Slavic lands, to deport their populations to Siberia and to use Slavs as slave labor. I do not deny that millions of Slavs died in the Holocaust. However, at the end of the war; Eastern Europe remained largely Slavic but was almost devoid of Jews. Slavs were not exterminated. Jews were, and as it happens they were often killed by Poles, Ukrainians, etc., rather than by Germans.


225 posted on 06/20/2008 11:13:36 AM PDT by buck jarret
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To: null and void

The Byzantine and Ottoman empires used to get the bulk of their slaves - both were run with and by slave labor - from Eastern Europe.


226 posted on 06/20/2008 11:15:24 AM PDT by buck jarret
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To: null and void

Technically—only technically—Buchanan is right on that one point. In WWI, Britain was quite willing to stay out of the initial move that Germany made into Alsace and Lorraine, but when Germany invaded Belgium as part of the Schliffen plan, Britain was obligated by an 1839 treaty (which Prussia was also a part of) to defend Belgium.

In World War II, Hitler tried every diplomatic subterfuge he could think of to detach Britain from France and Poland in 1939, but Chamberlain had been finally pushed too far by the Rhineland, the Anschluss of Austria, the Sudetenland, and the absorption of the rest of Czechoslovakia. Hitler didn’t want a war with Britain—not at that moment—but he was willing to risk it.

}:-)4


227 posted on 06/20/2008 11:17:03 AM PDT by Moose4 (http://moosedroppings.wordpress.com -- Because 20 million self-important blogs just aren't enough.)
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To: sobieski; null and void; Petronski
He was right on Demaniuk.

He was wrong on Demjanjuk.

Currently Demjanjuk is awaiting extradition to Germany to stand trial for his crimes as a concentration camp guard at Sobibor.

Demjanjuk is a war criminal and an illegal immigrant.

228 posted on 06/20/2008 11:17:46 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Clemenza; kinghorse

Lindbergh running for President in 1932 is news to me, too. Nevermind he was only 30, too young to run, and add to that, I never heard that he was a Democrat. His father, Swedish-born Charles August Lindbergh, was an Isolationist Republican Congressman from MN (although he later became an early leader of the fledgling Farmer-Laborite party) and his father-in-law was the NJ Republican Senator Dwight Whitney Morrow (who served until his death in 1931).


229 posted on 06/20/2008 11:23:09 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: null and void; Grampa Dave
I think he meant after the war, the way the State of Israel pursued (is still pursuing?) Nazi war criminals.

Oh! That's certainly reasonable. No offense was intended by my comment; I have a hard time resisting the opportunity to be a wiseacre.

230 posted on 06/20/2008 11:26:48 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("Code Pink should guard against creating stereotypes in the Mincing Community." --Titan Magroyne)
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To: wideawake

OK, I was wrong when I said he was right.

I accepted sobieski’s take on what happened after Demjanjuk fell off my radar.

Shoulda known better...


231 posted on 06/20/2008 11:28:06 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can start differentiating, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Me too. The kids say it’s going to get me killed one of these days.

They’re probably right.


232 posted on 06/20/2008 11:30:01 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can start differentiating, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians)
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To: Alouette
I can not find any information on this alleged "Orthodox Rabbi" Marvin S. Antleman or the "Supreme Rabbinical Court of the United States" other than the conspiracy book authored under this name, and a bunch of whacko sites. This guy Antelman sounds like a complete whack job, and there is no such organization as the "Supreme Rabbinical Court of the United States"

Yes, but all those sites would warn people never to accept the word of a Jew on these things. These are secret organizations, after all.

Interestingly google has only 5 hits for "Supreme Rabbinical Court of the United States", and they're all on Freerepublic.

233 posted on 06/20/2008 11:32:00 AM PDT by SJackson (If we win Iowa, then we can move to the world as it should be, Michelle O)
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To: sobieski

Moderate ? As in wait until the barbarians are at the gate ? His own writings and bizarre historical revisionism give him away. He went ‘round the bend a long time ago.


234 posted on 06/20/2008 11:33:16 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: kinghorse
Wasn’t Lindberg pretty much ruined because he ran counter to the liberal thesis on Europe? He was set to become President and then someone nabbed his kid. Politics is some ugly stuff at critical junctures in history.

He wasn't about to become President anywhere, and his reputation was soiled by his admiration for and close association with the Reich.

235 posted on 06/20/2008 11:34:44 AM PDT by SJackson (If we win Iowa, then we can move to the world as it should be, Michelle O)
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To: null and void

We’ll die happy. Or at least smug.


236 posted on 06/20/2008 11:37:06 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("Code Pink should guard against creating stereotypes in the Mincing Community." --Titan Magroyne)
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To: sobieski
Actually, it was started in 1939 when Polish priests, intelligentsia and professoriate were arrested and put into the newly created Auschwitz.

I would have suggested 1933, with the newly created Dachau, which housed German political "dissidents", soon followed by the Nuremberg laws.

237 posted on 06/20/2008 11:37:41 AM PDT by SJackson (If we win Iowa, then we can move to the world as it should be, Michelle O)
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To: Slings and Arrows

I was planning on dying laughing...


238 posted on 06/20/2008 11:41:14 AM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can start differentiating, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians)
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To: allmendream
He's a freaking Hitler apologist and a defender of mass murder. Hitler was going to war. He was determined. His generals tried to stop him. The first plot to kill Hitler occurred during the Sudeten Crisis, but they pulled back when the Chamberlain peace deal, that Pat so applauds, was enacted.

Pat is out of his mind with his Jew hating, and I'm one of his ex-defenders. Hitler was a madman. Does a normative diplomatic state enact the Einsatzgruppen, Auschwitz, and Treblinka? This is madness.

239 posted on 06/20/2008 11:42:20 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: buck jarret

Even earlier than that. They were shooting Jews in Poland in late 1939, the ones that weren’t being walled up in the ghettos in places like Lodz and Warsaw. And yes, hundreds of thousands of Jews had been shot, or asphyxiated in gas trucks, by the SS Einsatzkommando groups in the months between June 1941 and the Wannsee conference.

Pat has this either/or thing going...he’s acting like he is totally forgetting what life must have been like in the Warsaw ghetto in 1940 or 1941, even before the trains were rolling for Treblinka. By 1937, Jews in Germany were no longer citizens, but “subjects.” 50% were unemployed. Most professions were verboten to them. Yes, the Nazis were more interested in exporting Jews than they were killing them before the start of the war, but only because it was easier to just kick them out of the Reich after stealing all their property.

}:-)4


240 posted on 06/20/2008 11:44:18 AM PDT by Moose4 (http://moosedroppings.wordpress.com -- Because 20 million self-important blogs just aren't enough.)
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