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Obama - Not Born in the USA?
MacRanger Radio Show ^ | Jun 29, 2008 | Jack Moss

Posted on 07/01/2008 1:03:52 PM PDT by Red Steel

Fellow Blog Talk Radio compadre David Zublick over at Heading Right says, “Maybe Not“.

I noted back here that when Kos produced - not a birth certificate - but a certificate of live birth there were several discrepancies noted that pointed to the fact - aside from the convenience - that the document was most likely forged. Since Obama has failed to produce a birth certificate, in-spite of several calls to do so, is telling indeed.

I was born in 1958 in the State of Florida and I can get a birth certificate for ten bucks. I doubt Hawaii was so backward in 1961 that it cannot produce a copy that he could show.

The news orgs are NOT looking into this, but some of us can snoop where others cannot. We’ll see what we can find. Fellow Blog Talk Radio compadre David Zublick over at Heading Right says, “Maybe Not“.

I noted back here that when Kos produced - not a birth certificate - but a certificate of live birth there were several discrepancies noted that pointed to the fact - aside from the convenience - that the document was most likely forged. Since Obama has failed to produce a birth certificate, in-spite of several calls to do so, is telling indeed.

I was born in 1958 in the State of Florida and I can get a birth certificate for ten bucks. I doubt Hawaii was so backward in 1961 that it cannot produce a copy that he could show.

The news orgs are NOT looking into this, but some of us can snoop where others cannot. We’ll see what we can find.

UPDATE: Looks like some have filed the ole FOIA request to force the issue. Meanwhile Doug Ross thinks it’s legit.

One note, Certificates of Live Birth are NOT considered proof of citizenship in many states including Florida, while in other states it is.

Again, why not then just produce the damn certificate, it clears up the whole thing. Until we see that, the issue isn’t closed.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008election; ajntsa; birthcertificate; certifigate; demagogues; democrats; dnc; election; letitgo; media; msm; noiwont; notarealissue; obama; obamatruthfile; obamsaloverdefend; rats; redherring; yesitis
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To: nikos1121
I know this is probobly a rehash but look and read at this site:  http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

Especially:  his 1992 marriage certificate from the Cook County (Ill.) and  His driver’s license record from the Illinois Secretary of State’s office and His registration and disciplinary record with the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois.

 



61 posted on 07/01/2008 2:06:48 PM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: Non-Sequitur

Article II, Section 1, Clause 5

ok, so as far as we know, no one asked to see Bush or Clinton’s birth certificate. Bad on all of us for not checking.

Good on us now for checking up on what looks to be a very shady character.


62 posted on 07/01/2008 2:06:57 PM PDT by JohnnyP
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To: Red Steel

Look, NONE of this matters. The guy WILL be the nominee of the Democratic party. If you produced a ton of documents, the OB doctor, and a video of Obama being delivered in Mecca, he would still be the nominee. The amount of energy being wasted on this is amazing.


63 posted on 07/01/2008 2:07:06 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: K-oneTexas

I saw this and this tells me nothing. The KOS birth certificate has been altered. The serial number is blocked out. That alone makes it suspect.


64 posted on 07/01/2008 2:09:05 PM PDT by nikos1121 (The first black president of the US should be a Jackie Robinson, not a Jackie come lately.)
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To: ltc8k6
Perfectly acceptable?

I did these, and I'm not even a professional:



65 posted on 07/01/2008 2:12:35 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (Write in: Fred Thompson)
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To: Red Steel

Mombasa, Kenya?
See http://www.gaywired.com/Article.cfm?ID=19252


66 posted on 07/01/2008 2:13:43 PM PDT by Number_Cruncher
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To: nikos1121
Having been in law enforcement you can not conclusively state 'altered, counterfeit or fraud' from facsimiles or copies. The original document must be examined.

The blocking out could have to do with the privacy statutes in Hawaii, seeing as the document itself is covered in that State. So, at this point the State of Hawaii needs to step up and say what's what or produce a bona fide certificate.

This is really becoming reminiscent of a couple of months back as some trying to say McCain was not a citizen and therefore he couldn't run for the Office of President of the United States.

If Kerry will not sign an SF180 why should Obama do anything else but maintain everyone else is wrong. It's the 'Dem Way'. All our conjecture amounts to a hill of beans. I was never going to vote for him anyway. If he's a fraud so are so many other Dems and politicians in general ... nothing new.
67 posted on 07/01/2008 2:16:01 PM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: Slapshot68
If your parent is a U.S. citizen, then the child is automatically considered to be “natural born.”

Please cite your source/reference for this statement. I do not believe you are correct.

68 posted on 07/01/2008 2:17:28 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: mojito
All rumors would have ceased at that point. Now, because of stonewalling by the campaign, they've managed to create an issue that won't go away.

I believe they don't want to open an area of inquiry as to why this certificate says "Date Filed by Registrar", rather than "Date Accepted by State Registrar" as all other known valid certificates do. I think one means the original BC application info came from a known entity, i.e. state hospital and the other means "someone" just submitted info that could not be verified, hence, it was just "filed", not "accepted"

69 posted on 07/01/2008 2:19:01 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Aria

There’s no doubt his mother was a citizen .....so does it even matter where he was born?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Yes, it is not that simple, if he was born in Kenya to an American woman and a Kenyan man he is not a native born citizen. The Constitution says only native born citizens may serve as President, this is why the Terminator cannot run for the office.


70 posted on 07/01/2008 2:19:57 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Does anyone still believe this is a free country?)
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To: mnehrling
all the while, ignoring his leftist record and day to day gaffs

And just who on earth is doing that? You?! There are like 50 leftist/gaffe threads for every BC thread.

71 posted on 07/01/2008 2:21:45 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: mnehrling
Why should they. If they don't we sit here and chase imaginary rabbits down holes that go no where, all the while, ignoring his leftist record and day to day gaffs.

But we aren't ignoring anything. FR is filled with threads that address all of that. We are a very versatile group. :)

72 posted on 07/01/2008 2:21:59 PM PDT by CAluvdubya (A good man has come home to San Diego! Thank you Congressman Hunter)
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To: CedarDave

Wouldnt feel foolish if real bc was supplied.
We just want the truth.
Like I said before, maybe 1000 of us should get together and file complaint with the FEC.
Form must be notarized and sent in triplicate...found that out on the web site


73 posted on 07/01/2008 2:31:12 PM PDT by mouse1
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To: Non-Sequitur
Not sure where B Hussein was born...maybe we're just curious and want more specifics and details. Obviously his Grandmother knows where they lived after he was born. Is the house still around? Past President's all have specific locations with either memorials or the actual home they lived in. Has he ever referenced the address of where he lived after coming home from the hospital?

Description: John F. Kennedy was born in a simple six-room frame house in a suburb of Boston. It has been restored and redecorated as is was during the time of the Kennedy occupancy. National Park Service Site. Open to the public. Address: 83 Beals Street, Brookline, MA 02146

Description: The Jimmy Carter National Historic Site covers almost the entire town of Plains, Georgia. The Site includes the hospital where Carter was born, four family residences, Plains High School, three churches, a Visitor Center, and Billy Carter's gas station. Open to the public. Address: 300 North Bond Street, Plains, GA 31780

Description: The Reagan birthplace is a second-floor apartment in the mid-western farming town of Tampico, Illinois. The Reagans stayed in the apartment only briefly. The birthplace has been restored to resemble its appearance at the time of Reagan's birth. The lower floor has been converted into a museum. Open by appointment. Address: 119 South Main Street, Tampico, IL 61283

Description: George Bush was born in a Victorian era house in a suburb of Boston. Closed to the public. Address: 173 Adams Street, Milton, MA 02187

Description: The town of Hope has created an automotive tour site associated with President Clinton's early years in Hope, Arkansas. Though all of the sites are closed to the public, the sites are marked with designating signs. One of Clinton's childhood homes has been recently purchased and is currently being renovated to return it to its appearance at the time of Clinton's birth. Address: Hope Tourist Center, Box 596, Hope, AR 71801

74 posted on 07/01/2008 2:31:14 PM PDT by hollister23
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To: CedarDave
Those who would make FR look foolish - by challenging Obama to produce an authentic Birth Certificate - find 'foolish' here anyway. These people discredit and ridicule the truth; every day.

It IS their MO. Besides; if the shoe were on the 'right' foot; we know what Washington Post/NYT's and CBS, et al; would be writing/screaming/ranting about.

75 posted on 07/01/2008 2:31:32 PM PDT by cricket (Damn Political Correctness; before it irretrievably, damns us all. . .)
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To: ltc8k6

How did you become aware that there is an embossed seal on the certificate?

MM


77 posted on 07/01/2008 2:34:41 PM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: Slapshot68
If your parent is a U.S. citizen, then the child is automatically considered to be “natural born.”

Thank you for your expert opinion, you are dead wrong however. The mother did not meet the requirements, because Hawaii was a territory, not a state. Read the Law, wise up.

78 posted on 07/01/2008 2:34:51 PM PDT by itsahoot (We will have world government. The only question is whether by conquest or consent.)
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To: RipSawyer

Thanks!

You’d think they’d release the actual certificate if there isn’t a problem.


79 posted on 07/01/2008 2:35:57 PM PDT by Aria (Obama: Potluck for President! "I serve as a blank screen on which people..project their own views")
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To: K-oneTexas

Your points are well taken however,

1. There is nothing private about the certificate number. The Decosta BC shows the year she was born, and perhaps the number of births up to that time. What is private about that. It comes that the document is traceable.

2. McCain produced everything, and I’m sure this was vetted when he ran four years ago. Why are we pulling teeth here with the Obama Camp, and why did he wait until Hillary was out of the picture?

3. Everything that we know about Obama is from his own auto-bio. Conspicuously lacking are eye witnesses of his early life and his family here in the USA.

4. The grandmother is sequestered. Why?

5. I would think providing proof that you qualify to run for the office of president is determined by Congress? or is the courts? Has this process taken place?

6. The KOS BC is a certificate of live birth, it is NOT the original birth certificate. Where is the original birth certificate? I would think it’s on microfiche.

7. I have searched using pay sites such as Ancestry.com and have found NO listing for Obama or his mother’s marriage. True, this doesn’t prove anything, but it seems odd doesn’t it?

8. Why is it that two hospitals are listed as his place of birth. Wikipedia lists Kapliolani Medical Center, and other sites list Queens Hospital.

9. I’ve seen posts, and I think this is also on The ObamaFile website, where it is “rumored” that Kenyan family members told media early on that Obama was born there. Libya’s Kaddafi says he was born in Kenya and that Obama is lying about it.

10. I would think that as we speak the FBI or Homeland Security or someone has agents on this subject. As a law enforcement officer what say you?


80 posted on 07/01/2008 2:36:46 PM PDT by nikos1121 (The first black president of the US should be a Jackie Robinson, not a Jackie come lately.)
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