Posted on 07/19/2008 1:54:07 PM PDT by yankeedame
By Jody Thompson,
17/07/2008
(What's this?)American rock star Ted Nugent has followed in Lily Allen's footsteps to be the latest celebrity to comment on the UK's knife crime problem.
However, unlike Lily, he's set to spark controversy with his outrageous views.
An advocate of hunting and gun-ownership rights, Nugent currently serves on the Board of Directors of the National Rifle Association and thinks the problem would stop if Britons were allowed to arm themselves with guns.
Talking mid-set during his gig at London's Indigo venue in the 02 Arena on Monday night, he said: "I understand that London has a knife problem. That's because you took everybody's guns away."
He continued: "If you had a f***ing gun you could shoot the motherf*****s with the knife. Do you need me to explain that to you dumb Limey motherf******? In Detroit, we don't have a knife problem. The knife motherf*****s got a Ted problem."
"'Oooh, he's got a knife, I'll pretend I'm from England'. [Imitates firing a gun]. Take that motherf****r. [Then pretends to call 911]: 'You might wanna bring a dustpan and broom because there's a big puddle of shit on the sidewalk'. That's what you call a deterrent. That motherf****r ain't gonna knife no-one ever again."
It's unlikely anti-knife campaigners are going to take Nugent's ideas seriously however.
As exclusively revealed in The Mirror today, one in five youngsters now claim they or their pals have been threatened with knives in the past year with an explosion of gangs being blamed.
Police figures to be released today are expected to show 25,000 stabbings were committed in England and Wales in the last 12 months.
Seriously? After my reference to US v Heller, you have to ask? Wow. Nevermind.
Ted is a godsend.
Then the violence will STOP
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hmm...
Well, thanks for the responses. It appears that however close our nations are perceived to be in terms of economics, foreign policy and general relations, the reality is very different indeed.
If it weren’t for the fact that we are English speaking nations, we would probably admit that we just don’t seem to get along at all.
>Anyway, get someone with a knife and there is a 30% chance of killing them. Get ‘em with a gun, and its 10%.<
I wouldn’t be surprised if the numbers are higher than that. There is nothing that brings a cold chill to my spine quicker than to confront a man standing properly and holding a 6” knife in such a fashion that shows me he knows what he is doing with that tool.
I've noticed that, too.
We do in person, though, don't we? It's just a Net Thing. I have met very little actual hostility there, and I doubt you have here- And half the misunderstandings are actually funny and readily resolved with a Pint.
On another note regarding the farmers. My family is from Downton, and we have not been near a sheep in a long time. There are lots of industrial estates and business offices around now.
Im with you on that.
...We do in person, though, don’t we?...
That’s probably the case yeah.
...Also, we seem to have certain, misguided expectations of each other, because we have so much in common...
And again, that’s probably the case.
*Animosity towards the US?
Well, speaking for myself I say no. If I were given leave the speak for the people, then...maybe. The younger generations today don’t understand the historical past we have, for good or ill. Those that undestand, well there will be some who have a bit of resentment perhaps. Interestingly their is generally more animosity shown towards the Aussies, but the nature of our cultures (banter/sarcasm/taking the piss) means that we generally understand what is in good taste and what isn’t. They consider us as weakling Poms, and we think they are uncouth criminals. But its banter though, so their is a playful edge to it. Canadians? Awesome people, what a country!
With gun or knife, the probability of a kill depends upon the motivation of the person using the weapon, and the levels of strength, skill, preparedness, and armament of the assailant and the target. I would expect that there would be some situations where the kill probability would be less than 1% with either weapon, and others where it would be greater than 99%. Of course, such kill probabilities could also be achieved (though in a narrower range of situations) by an assailant armed with nothing but hands and feet.
If an assailant is going to attack someone until the person is dead, and if neither the person nor anyone else is going to stop the assailant, then odds are pretty good the target is going to die. If the assailant's only weapon is a gun and the assailant lacks the strength to attack via other means, then if the assailant runs out of ammo the target might survive. Likewise if the assailant's only weapon is a knife which breaks. Otherwise, the 'single-attack kill probability' won't matter much since the assailant can simply attack as many times as needed.
Incidentally, another factor confounding measurement of kill probability is the difficulty of determining an attacker's motivation. If an knife-wielding attacker is trying to injure but not kill an attacker, the probability of a kill may be quite low (depending upon the injuries inflicted). A knife is probably more capable of inflicting predictable non-fatal injures than a gun. If the government will believe a claim by a knife-wielding assailant that he wasn't trying to kill his target, that may cause knives to appear less effective than they are.
Ok, all things being equal then.
I have long learned not to assume that a people are like their government. I just love the fact that a land that big, can have reletively so few people. Coming from the densely populated island I suppose it simple jealousy!
Lol!
Ah the wonders of the A/C.
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