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Exclusive: US rocker Ted Nugent's outrageous rant on UK knife crime
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| 17/07/2008
| Jody Thompson
Posted on 07/19/2008 1:54:07 PM PDT by yankeedame
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To: Mercia
Seriously? After my reference to US v Heller, you have to ask? Wow. Nevermind.
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posted on
07/20/2008 9:17:19 AM PDT
by
piytar
To: Mercia
I'll believe you, because I never watch contemporary films-I hate Hollywood's liberal slant, I hate anachronisms in film, and I hate the insertion of modern sensibilities into history (women's liberation attitudes, etc, into settings when it wasn't a big issue, for example).
Actually, I could go even further back-Charles Dickens was just one of the writers who visited America for the purpose of making money, while all the while having an attitude of condescension towards Americans. I'm trying to think of the name of the female writer who also wrote disparagingly of America-her name escapes me now. (I'm wanting to say Frances Trollope, mother of novelist Anthony Trollope).
Florence Nightingale-Crimea War (and I didn't have to Google it, LOL-I love British history-Edward VII is my favorite historical figure :) )
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posted on
07/20/2008 9:17:53 AM PDT
by
mrsmel
To: wastedyears
To: yankeedame
This is simple to stop
Ban Knives
Then Sticks
Followed by Stones
Then the violence will STOP
124
posted on
07/20/2008 9:26:24 AM PDT
by
DeaconRed
(I will sit out the '08 presidential election----I can't vote for A RINO or A BOZO)
To: piytar
125
posted on
07/20/2008 10:39:57 AM PDT
by
Mercia
To: mrsmel
hmm...
Well, thanks for the responses. It appears that however close our nations are perceived to be in terms of economics, foreign policy and general relations, the reality is very different indeed.
If it weren’t for the fact that we are English speaking nations, we would probably admit that we just don’t seem to get along at all.
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posted on
07/20/2008 10:43:57 AM PDT
by
Mercia
To: Mercia
>Anyway, get someone with a knife and there is a 30% chance of killing them. Get em with a gun, and its 10%.<
I wouldn’t be surprised if the numbers are higher than that. There is nothing that brings a cold chill to my spine quicker than to confront a man standing properly and holding a 6” knife in such a fashion that shows me he knows what he is doing with that tool.
127
posted on
07/20/2008 11:52:01 AM PDT
by
B4Ranch
(Having custody of a loaded weapon does not arm you. The skill to use the weapon is what arms a man.)
To: Gorzaloon
The comments written by the readers toward Yanks are often more brutal than anything that has appeared here, and are laden with impressions that seem to come from old "Dallas" reruns. I've noticed that, too.
128
posted on
07/20/2008 12:26:21 PM PDT
by
SIDENET
(Hubba Hubba...)
To: Mercia
If it werent for the fact that we are English speaking nations, we would probably admit that we just dont seem to get along at all.We do in person, though, don't we? It's just a Net Thing. I have met very little actual hostility there, and I doubt you have here- And half the misunderstandings are actually funny and readily resolved with a Pint.
On another note regarding the farmers. My family is from Downton, and we have not been near a sheep in a long time. There are lots of industrial estates and business offices around now.
To: Mercia
hmm...
Well, thanks for the responses. It appears that however close our nations are perceived to be in terms of economics, foreign policy and general relations, the reality is very different indeed.
If it werent for the fact that we are English speaking nations, we would probably admit that we just dont seem to get along at all.
IMO, it's precisely because we are so close historically, culturally, etc, that we squabble so much. (Just as family members squabble, while putting the "best foot forward" for strangers). Also, we seem to have certain, misguided expectations of each other, because we have so much in common. We are surprised when the differences appear, and seem to see those differences as value judgements upon ourselves, rather than just accepting slightly different development at face value.
As in-when we go to a really foreign country-one with totally different culture, no shared history, etc-we don't have those expectations, and can be more objective, or at least see it as curious and exotic. We can't do that with each other.
I've also wondered if there hasn't been a teensy bit of resentment that the US, of all former colonies largely settled by expat Brits, chose in such a dramatic fashion to distance itself from the "mother country"? I don't see such deep animosity between, for instance, Britain and Canada or Australia. At least, not of which I'm aware.
And many of us do have a feeling for Britain, which is why it matters to us what happens to your nation, in a personal way that wouldn't occur if we were discussing, say, Italy going down the tubes. What happens in your country perhaps hits too close to home for us.
Just some random theories, none very deeply thought-out :)
130
posted on
07/20/2008 2:33:39 PM PDT
by
mrsmel
To: B4Ranch
131
posted on
07/20/2008 2:38:47 PM PDT
by
Mercia
To: Gorzaloon
...We do in person, though, don’t we?...
That’s probably the case yeah.
132
posted on
07/20/2008 2:40:25 PM PDT
by
Mercia
To: mrsmel
...Also, we seem to have certain, misguided expectations of each other, because we have so much in common...
And again, that’s probably the case.
*Animosity towards the US?
Well, speaking for myself I say no. If I were given leave the speak for the people, then...maybe. The younger generations today don’t understand the historical past we have, for good or ill. Those that undestand, well there will be some who have a bit of resentment perhaps. Interestingly their is generally more animosity shown towards the Aussies, but the nature of our cultures (banter/sarcasm/taking the piss) means that we generally understand what is in good taste and what isn’t. They consider us as weakling Poms, and we think they are uncouth criminals. But its banter though, so their is a playful edge to it. Canadians? Awesome people, what a country!
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posted on
07/20/2008 2:48:12 PM PDT
by
Mercia
To: Mercia
The Canadian people are great, but I wonder about their government a lot! Things like the Human Rights Panel-also known as the "Canadian Inquisition"-going after Mark Steyn, and the Christian minister who spoke against homosexuality on Biblical grounds. I don't know how they can put up with that, surely the majority don't support it?
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posted on
07/20/2008 3:00:21 PM PDT
by
mrsmel
To: Mercia
Anyway, get someone with a knife and there is a 30% chance of killing them. Get em with a gun, and its 10%. With gun or knife, the probability of a kill depends upon the motivation of the person using the weapon, and the levels of strength, skill, preparedness, and armament of the assailant and the target. I would expect that there would be some situations where the kill probability would be less than 1% with either weapon, and others where it would be greater than 99%. Of course, such kill probabilities could also be achieved (though in a narrower range of situations) by an assailant armed with nothing but hands and feet.
If an assailant is going to attack someone until the person is dead, and if neither the person nor anyone else is going to stop the assailant, then odds are pretty good the target is going to die. If the assailant's only weapon is a gun and the assailant lacks the strength to attack via other means, then if the assailant runs out of ammo the target might survive. Likewise if the assailant's only weapon is a knife which breaks. Otherwise, the 'single-attack kill probability' won't matter much since the assailant can simply attack as many times as needed.
Incidentally, another factor confounding measurement of kill probability is the difficulty of determining an attacker's motivation. If an knife-wielding attacker is trying to injure but not kill an attacker, the probability of a kill may be quite low (depending upon the injuries inflicted). A knife is probably more capable of inflicting predictable non-fatal injures than a gun. If the government will believe a claim by a knife-wielding assailant that he wasn't trying to kill his target, that may cause knives to appear less effective than they are.
To: wastedyears
It happens. Did you set him up for a spike to the face? I got my CO so many times at La Mod he quit playing. It was nothing intentional just the way the game played out. The skipper played well I wish he would have stayed around.
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posted on
07/20/2008 4:17:02 PM PDT
by
Nuc1
(NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
To: supercat
Ok, all things being equal then.
137
posted on
07/21/2008 10:48:54 AM PDT
by
Mercia
To: mrsmel
I have long learned not to assume that a people are like their government. I just love the fact that a land that big, can have reletively so few people. Coming from the densely populated island I suppose it simple jealousy!
138
posted on
07/21/2008 10:53:23 AM PDT
by
Mercia
To: Mercia
You're not alone, I'm jealous on the grounds of their weather-believe it or not!-actually, I'm jealous of almost anyone's weather who lives a good bit further North than I do-as I sit hibernating in my home to avoid the 100+ temperatures (higher when the humidity is factored in), only going out to swim :) I hate Southern summers! How did people manage before central A/C? And wearing all those clothes, and corsets!!!! No wonder the women were always fainting!
139
posted on
07/21/2008 1:07:56 PM PDT
by
mrsmel
To: mrsmel
Lol!
Ah the wonders of the A/C.
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posted on
07/21/2008 1:21:38 PM PDT
by
Mercia
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