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Diary entry may offer proof that baseball came from England
AP ^ | 09/11/2008 | By Staff

Posted on 09/11/2008 3:29:28 PM PDT by C19fan

Baseball is as American as ... tea and crumpets?

(Excerpt) Read more at sportsillustrated.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: austen; baseball; england; godsgravesglyphs; origins; sports
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1 posted on 09/11/2008 3:29:29 PM PDT by C19fan
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Baseballs come from China and the bats from the Caribbean.

The fans come from the USA and pay high prices to watch people who at best are successful 25 to 30 percent of the time. Multimillion dollar pitchers are getting as much as $4000 per pitch. An intentional walk can run as high as $12000. What a country!

2 posted on 09/11/2008 3:36:41 PM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: C19fan

The man played a game then called Base Ball. There is no description of the game and no other reference. The name similarity indicates the possibility of some genetic relationship but there would have to be other evidence to make it any more than an interesting reference.


3 posted on 09/11/2008 3:39:04 PM PDT by arthurus (Old age and guile beats youth and enthusiasm.)
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To: C19fan

Had an English friend tell me once that Baseball was nothing but Cricket on speed. ;-)


4 posted on 09/11/2008 3:39:19 PM PDT by doc1019 (Palin '12)
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To: arthurus

Could of been you threw balls at the people moving from base to base and if you hit them they were out. Sounds very british to me.


5 posted on 09/11/2008 3:40:56 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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To: C19fan

It’s no secret that baseball evolved from previous bat and balls games. This wouldn’t surprise me in the least, but I do agree that the name means nothing without a physical description. Remember that what the Brits call football...the name means nothing in and of itself.


6 posted on 09/11/2008 3:44:52 PM PDT by The Unknown Republican
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To: Don Corleone
Multimillion dollar pitchers are getting as much as $4000 per pitch. An intentional walk can run as high as $12000. What a country!

Hmmmmmm ... an intentional walk gets discounted by 25% ?

7 posted on 09/11/2008 3:47:47 PM PDT by Mr_Moonlight
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Even if some early early version of baseball came from Mother England it’s obvious that they did not really appreciate what they had, since they’re still stuck with that silly sport called “cricket” and they don’t seem to have any serious baseball.


8 posted on 09/11/2008 3:52:17 PM PDT by Enchante ("Troopergate" = Obama Democrats Working Hard to Smear Governor Palin in a Non-Scandal)
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To: The Unknown Republican

American football is derived from British football as well, via Rugby, which was derived from football....

Anyway, the fact that rounders is similar to baseball, probably means that this ‘baseball’ was another name for rounders, and the name stuck in the US, wheras ‘rounders’ became more popular in Britain, were it evolved into something slightly different...


9 posted on 09/11/2008 3:52:20 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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Rounders is the closest British variant, I think. Town ball is the early U.S. version.


10 posted on 09/11/2008 3:59:34 PM PDT by sig226 (Obama '08 - No, You Can't.)
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To: C19fan

Sort of interesting from the diary entry “base ball” back then it could be played with eligible ladies. Nice way to meet a future wife. LOL!!!


11 posted on 09/11/2008 4:00:02 PM PDT by C19fan
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To: guitarplayer1953
you threw balls at the people moving from base to base

I believe that characteristic was part of early American baseball.

12 posted on 09/11/2008 4:00:45 PM PDT by arthurus (Old age and guile beats youth and enthusiasm.)
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To: arthurus

WOW I just reinvented baseball.


13 posted on 09/11/2008 4:19:58 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Psalm 83:1-8 is on the horizon.)
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I see another world war coming and I don't mean the AL Vs. NL.

First time I see some Redcoats at a ballgame, the Chin Music will commence.

14 posted on 09/11/2008 4:26:24 PM PDT by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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The diary would seem to imply that both women and men played “base ball”...that would suggest that it was something other than the fast moving and physical game we know as baseball.


15 posted on 09/11/2008 4:30:22 PM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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Yes...and our democracy was given to us by England but it was unworkable in the form we received it and corrected it for daily use as well. What else have they given us that we have essentially had to tear down and rejigger just to make it work right...I know, the military?


16 posted on 09/11/2008 4:35:43 PM PDT by johnnycap
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Golf, tennis, rugby, badminton, ...


17 posted on 09/11/2008 4:55:20 PM PDT by balls (Never underestimate the stupidity of the American electorate)
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To: johnnycap
our democracy was given to us by England

Our republic was given to us by England. I'm going to let you off with a warning - we're a Republic, and that's why it's called Free Republic.

Carry on, jc. :-)

18 posted on 09/11/2008 5:07:28 PM PDT by an amused spectator (That would be... harsher punishment for parole violators, Stan.)
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> What else have they given us <

Well, the English language for starters. Then there’s a little thing called the common law.


19 posted on 09/11/2008 5:13:42 PM PDT by Hawthorn
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Baseball derives directly from a game called "Rounders," played from time dim and immemorial at English boarding schools.

End of story, sports fans.

O,yeah, did I forget to mention Rounders was played exactly like Softball, with bases and home, strikes, outs, etc.etc. At, at err, ah, girls' boarding schools, actually

20 posted on 09/11/2008 5:57:56 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Drill. Double Refining Capacity. Make METHANOL from Coal, NG, Nuclear ..let's roll.)
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