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Soccer mom gets concealed-weapon permit back
The Patriot-News ^ | Tuesday October 14, 2008 | MONICA VON DOBENECK

Posted on 10/14/2008 3:40:17 PM PDT by Sisku Hanne

"It was legal for Meleanie Hain to openly carry a gun to her 5-year-old daughter's soccer game, but that doesn't mean it was right, Lebanon County Judge Robert Eby said today."


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; concealedcarry; permit; roberteby
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This woman had her concealed weapons permit revoked by the co. sheriff after wearing her handgun, holstered, to one of her daughter's soccer games.

1 posted on 10/14/2008 3:40:18 PM PDT by Sisku Hanne
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To: Sisku Hanne

If it was legal, it was her RIGHT and judge should be impeached, recalled, fired, whatever it takes.


2 posted on 10/14/2008 3:43:23 PM PDT by Dogbert41
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To: Dogbert41

Replace “carrying a gun” with “having an abortion” and that judge would be reported on by the MSM until he was forced out and disbarred.


3 posted on 10/14/2008 3:46:28 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: Sisku Hanne

So who is it that calls ‘RIGHT’ then? Are laws supposed to be written and made by proper means? Isn’t this always the problem with Obama socialists and Obama dictators? There is legal, then there is right.

Judges are truly out of control.


4 posted on 10/14/2008 3:47:39 PM PDT by Tarpon (Barrack Obama will ban all the guns he has the votes for ...)
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To: Sisku Hanne

Judge Eby, you don’t decide what is right - you decide what is lawful and what is not. At least you had the decency to uphold the law, but you can keep your opinions to yourself. Unless, of course, you want to advertise to your constituency that you’re basically morally against the 2nd Amendment...I think that’s why you upheld the law, fella.


5 posted on 10/14/2008 3:49:05 PM PDT by Gaffer ("Arguing with a Liberal is like not wiping yourself after taking a dump" Scatological, but true.)
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To: Sisku Hanne

“Open Carry” is definitely under pressure in Pennsylvania by some law enforcement agencies.


6 posted on 10/14/2008 3:53:34 PM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: Sisku Hanne

Another Judge in drag at the bench, eh, Ms. Manners?

Just do YOUR job and leave us law abiding citizens alone.


7 posted on 10/14/2008 3:57:02 PM PDT by papasmurf (I ain't your Daddy's Conservative, OK?)
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To: Sisku Hanne

The judge should be impeached and dismissed. Unfortunately, it’s not possible to get rid of all America’s activist judges - those who interpret the law to suit their personal priorities, rather than as it is written - since it’s such an enormous number of those who seek to inflate their egos and impose their will on society by circumventing the legislative branch by governing all us proles from the bench. Power is a heady narcotic to those incapable of resisting its call to indulge in excesses.


8 posted on 10/14/2008 3:59:48 PM PDT by Jack Hammer (here)
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To: Sisku Hanne

Judge Eby said, “Right versus wrong
is not the same as legal versus illegal.”
- - -
Say what?
Is this assclown elected or appointed?


9 posted on 10/14/2008 4:00:20 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: Tallguy
“Open Carry” is definitely under pressure in Pennsylvania by some law enforcement agencies.

Which is, of course, outrageous. Law enforcement is supposed to uphold the law, not revoke rights that they don't happen to like.

jas3
10 posted on 10/14/2008 4:00:58 PM PDT by jas3
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To: Sisku Hanne

This judge truly deserves our contempt.


11 posted on 10/14/2008 4:05:33 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Guns don't kill people, criminals and the governments that create them do.)
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To: Sisku Hanne
"It was legal for Meleanie Hain to openly carry a gun to her 5-year-old daughter's soccer game blacks to vote during the Jim Crow era, but that doesn't mean it was right, Lebanon County Judge Robert Eby said today."

A right that can't be practiced is not really a right.

12 posted on 10/14/2008 4:09:08 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: All

I had a good time reading the comments for these stories at the link. Lots of good gun owners are there schooling the bleeding heart gun-grabbers.
They might sign a different tune if we were allowed to have their drivers licenses taken away whenever we “felt threatened” about their driving.


13 posted on 10/14/2008 4:10:52 PM PDT by Sisku Hanne (The day begins and ends in Alaska.)
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To: Sisku Hanne
Judge Eby, here I have a nice, warm cup of coffee just for you.

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14 posted on 10/14/2008 4:16:46 PM PDT by vox_freedom (G K Chesterton: "If there were no God, there would be no atheists.")
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To: Gaffer
Judge Eby, you don’t decide what is right - you decide what is lawful and what is not.

large ditto's.

15 posted on 10/14/2008 4:22:13 PM PDT by vox_freedom (G K Chesterton: "If there were no God, there would be no atheists.")
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To: Tallguy

Of course it is.

Cops and most law enforcement are the biggest haters of the Second Amendment that there are.

I seriously doubt many of these idiots can even READ the very Constitution they’re sworn to uphold.


16 posted on 10/14/2008 4:39:25 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.")
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To: Jack Hammer

Give him a piece of your mind.....keep it respectful of course.

(717) 274-2801


17 posted on 10/14/2008 4:45:54 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.")
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To: Emperor Palpatine
Cops and most law enforcement are the biggest haters of the Second Amendment that there are.

I personally know several PA State Troopers that serve in various capacities. Some are respectful of the 2nd Amendment & grateful of the potential for assistance from an armed citizenry. I fear that these troopers are in the minority.

18 posted on 10/14/2008 4:51:56 PM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: Sisku Hanne
"It was legal for Meleanie Hain to openly carry a gun to her 5-year-old daughter's soccer game, but that doesn't mean it was right,

So does the opposite hold true too, that just because something is ILLEGAL it doesn't mean it's WRONG?

How well do you think that defense would play in this "judge's" court?

19 posted on 10/14/2008 5:22:25 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: IronJack
One of these days, I'm likely to be arrested for blowing off a bull-stuff law. I ignore that crap, and maybe I'll have to pay for it, but unlawful != wrong.

What are they going to do? Take away my birthday? Populate my country with illegal aliens? Try to take away my bible?

After a while, you get numb, and say to hell with it. Do what is right, and let the devil take the hindmost.

How's that for breeding contempt of the law in a good citizen? We're there.

/johnny

20 posted on 10/14/2008 5:53:30 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: Dogbert41
If it was legal, it was her RIGHT and judge should be impeached, recalled, fired, whatever it takes.

Why, he overruled the stupid sheriff who should have known better than to try to take the gun and have her permit lifted.

21 posted on 10/14/2008 5:58:46 PM PDT by Turret Gunner A20 (The FairTax -- the largest magnet for capital and jobs in history. John Snow)
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To: Tallguy

Unfortunately I agree with you. They’re in a very small minority.

The days when the sheriff would raise a posse of townspeople to go get the bad guys are over.


22 posted on 10/14/2008 6:38:54 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.")
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To: Turret Gunner A20

Because the judge had no reason or cause to lecture a LAW ABIDING CITIZEN like a headmaster, that’s why.

He should have lectured and censured the sheriff, not the citizen who only availed herself of a sacrosanct God-given right.

But he didn’t. Just another jerk in a black robe.

Q: “What do you say to a lawyer with an IQ of 50?

A: “Good morning, Your Honor.”


23 posted on 10/14/2008 6:42:15 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.")
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To: Emperor Palpatine
Because the judge had no reason or cause to lecture a LAW ABIDING CITIZEN like a headmaster, that’s why.

It is obvious that you haven't spent much time in courtrooms.

<>He should have lectured and censured the sheriff, not the citizen who only availed herself of a sacrosanct God-given right.

But he didn’t.

How do you know he didn't? And, it's even possible he figured that his publicly overruling the heriff's stupidity was enough.

Just another jerk in a black robe.

Could be. I'll save my opinion until I know a bit more than shown so far. Q: “What do you say to a lawyer with an IQ of 50?

A: “Good morning, Your Honor.”

That is quite often the case.

And, by the way, the right to own and carry a weapon is not a sacrosanct God-given right -- it is a right granted by the 2nd Amendment ro the Constitution.

24 posted on 10/14/2008 7:15:27 PM PDT by Turret Gunner A20 (The FairTax -- the largest magnet for capital and jobs in history. John Snow)
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To: Turret Gunner A20
he right to own and carry a weapon is not a sacrosanct God-given right

I must respectfully, but strongly disagree.

God gave us that right. Congress assembled enumerated those rights. It says so, right there in the document.

Our right to liberty and self-defense comes from God (or nature, if you are a deist, like Jefferson). Our power to defend ourselves comes from jealously guarding that right that God gave us.

And, not only do I have the right, I have the power to enforce my God-given rights.

Anyone saying different can pound sand and play javelin catcher.

/johnny

25 posted on 10/14/2008 7:29:52 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: Turret Gunner A20
it is a right granted by the 2nd Amendment ro the Constitution.

I suggest you do a little research on the Bill of Rights. They 'grant' NOTHING.

The Bill of Rights enumerates certain rights, nothing more.

Try reading the damned thing sometime.

L

26 posted on 10/14/2008 7:39:02 PM PDT by Lurker (She's not a lesbian, she doesn't whine, she doesn't hate her country, and she's not afraid of guns.)
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Wow. Get a load of what passes for a 'conservative' these days.

That poster Turret Gunner thinks my Rights come from a piece of parchment.

What a fool....

L

27 posted on 10/14/2008 7:41:41 PM PDT by Lurker (She's not a lesbian, she doesn't whine, she doesn't hate her country, and she's not afraid of guns.)
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To: Lurker
If you've got a rolling block breech loader or a muzzle loader, your power to defend your rights may come wrapped up inside a piece of greased parchment. But that's as close as it comes.

Our unalienable rights come from God. It's up to us to defend them. Folks in the USSR had the same God-given rights. Only they didn't defend them, or got wiped out trying to.

/johnny

28 posted on 10/14/2008 7:50:32 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: Lurker
Wow. Get a load of what passes for a 'conservative' these days.

That poster Turret Gunner thinks my Rights come from a piece of parchment.

What a fool....

[1] Is there some reason why you are so angry; [2] are you just another flamethrowing troll, trying to hijack the threadl or [3] is it that you lack an IQ high enough to carry on a civil discussion?

Now with those three serious questions out of the way, I'll ask you another one back the subject -- If, as you seem to claim, your right to carry a weapon is a God-given one, where in the Bible (or in whatever Book your faith uses) did you find that stated??

29 posted on 10/14/2008 8:01:06 PM PDT by Turret Gunner A20 (The FairTax -- the largest magnet for capital and jobs in history. John Snow)
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To: Turret Gunner A20
Jesus told the apostles, "If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one"

/johnny

30 posted on 10/14/2008 8:04:12 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: Turret Gunner A20
Self defense as a natural right is a no-brainer for Christians and non-christians. Biblically, and traditionally, we have the right to defend ourselves. "If someone attacks you at night, rise up and slay him" is part of the Hebrew tradition.

Looking at the other side... Evolutionarily, species that don't defend themselves go extinct quickly. See Dodo, and passenger pigeon.

So, on this matter, religion and academia are in harmony.

Leave it to government to screw with something that has worked well for 30K+ years.

/johnny

31 posted on 10/14/2008 8:10:41 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: Turret Gunner A20
And then there's the power thing. I have firearms to enforce my God-given right to self defense. I have the power to defend that. I may be overpowered. Maybe.

If I don't retain the power, I am at the mercy of anyone stronger than me.

I chose to not be stupid.

/johnny

32 posted on 10/14/2008 8:14:12 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Jesus told the apostles, "If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one"

Very good. Now tell me where in United States Law has that been recognized as binding on upon anyone other than the Apostles?

Jesus did not hold any office in the government of the United States; the executive branch, the legislative branch, nor the judiciary. so his order did not and does not carrry any legal weight here and now.

33 posted on 10/14/2008 8:14:24 PM PDT by Turret Gunner A20 (The FairTax -- the largest magnet for capital and jobs in history. John Snow)
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To: JRandomFreeper

You’re right, but the government doesn’t recognize Hebrew tradition as law. And they mhave the power to put your fanny in jail if you defy their prohibitions concerning the carrying of guns and/or other specified harmful instruments.


34 posted on 10/14/2008 8:17:55 PM PDT by Turret Gunner A20 (The FairTax -- the largest magnet for capital and jobs in history. John Snow)
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To: JRandomFreeper
I also have firearms to defend myself -- and have done so in the past. However I am not stupid enough to claim that ownership as God-given when Iknow it is not.

When are you going to cite where you found thta such a right ws given by God?

35 posted on 10/14/2008 8:20:37 PM PDT by Turret Gunner A20 (The FairTax -- the largest magnet for capital and jobs in history. John Snow)
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To: Turret Gunner A20
You asked "where in the Bible (or in whatever Book your faith uses) did you find that stated?"

I gave you that.

Tell me where the Constitution of the United States says that citizens don't have the right to defend themselves.

And the Supreme Law of the Land is "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

That seems to be enough. And if it's not, and you want to take away my right and ability to self defense, I'll be glad to meet in person to argue the point.

/johnny

36 posted on 10/14/2008 8:21:12 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: Turret Gunner A20
Drink less, think more.

/johnny

37 posted on 10/14/2008 8:28:07 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

And Jefferson said “Those who beat their swords into plowshares end up plowing for those who didn’t.”


38 posted on 10/14/2008 8:31:32 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.")
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To: Emperor Palpatine
It's very empowering to be free, armed, and over 21. To modify an old saying to something better than PC.

Only problem is that I might think I run the government, instead of the other way around.

It's gotta suck to be a liberal these days. Conservatives have all the move, shoot, and communicate stuff.

/johnny

39 posted on 10/14/2008 8:40:34 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
I said: "You asked "where in the Bible (or in whatever Book your faith uses) did you find that stated?"

I gave you that.

No you didn't. you gave me what Jesus told 12 men to do. I'm sorry but that carries absolutely no weight in the courts of the United States of America. If you think it does, try it sometime, and then stand back while the judge gives you a rather stern tongue lashing.

Tell me where the Constitution of the United States says that citizens don't have the right to defend themselves.

{i} It doesn't.

[2] That is not the subject of this discussion -- the carrying of weapons by individual citizens is the subject.

And the Supreme Law of the Land is: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Quite right. But where does it say that God gave you those rights?

That seems to be enough.

Enough for what? To prove that those rights were given to you by God? Not enough for that. Sorry.

And if it's not, and you want to take away my right and ability to self defense.... Where the devil did you come up with that? Why the hell would I care about whether or not you have the means of self defense?

I'll be glad to meet in person to argue the point.

There is no argument to it. That's settled -- whether you like it or not, God did not give you the right to carry a gun.

If you think he did, then dig up a citaation in law to prove it -- United States Law, not Hebraic tradition or Biblical conversation. Neither of those is enforceable law in this country.

40 posted on 10/14/2008 8:48:11 PM PDT by Turret Gunner A20 (The FairTax -- the largest magnet for capital and jobs in history. John Snow)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Drink less, think more.

Oh, God!!! Another juvenile clown. I don't dring, and you don't have to get snotty because you can't prove you fallacious claim.

41 posted on 10/14/2008 8:50:23 PM PDT by Turret Gunner A20 (The FairTax -- the largest magnet for capital and jobs in history. John Snow)
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To: Turret Gunner A20
Ohhhkayyy.... Your position is that God didn't give us the right to defend ourselves. Then where did the right come from? What does Black have to say about it?

/johnny

42 posted on 10/14/2008 8:51:33 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: Emperor Palpatine
And Jefferson said “Those who beat their swords into plowshares end up plowing for those who didn’t.”

Smart man. But what has that to do with the topic of this thread?

43 posted on 10/14/2008 8:52:16 PM PDT by Turret Gunner A20 (The FairTax -- the largest magnet for capital and jobs in history. John Snow)
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To: Turret Gunner A20
Another juvenile clown

Thank you for the juvenile comment. I just had a birthday. Juvi, I ain't.

I have to find my glasses to find my teeth.

/johnny

44 posted on 10/14/2008 8:54:05 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
It's gotta suck to be a liberal these days.

I wouldn't know. But you seem to fit into that category -- the way you like to read things into the Constitution that aren't there.

45 posted on 10/14/2008 8:54:26 PM PDT by Turret Gunner A20 (The FairTax -- the largest magnet for capital and jobs in history. John Snow)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

You are obviously a statist and not a true conservative.

You seem to say that rights are granted by the state instead of being inalienable and granted by God.....as our Founding Fathers believed.

That sounds like some European talking, not an American.


46 posted on 10/14/2008 8:55:25 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.")
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To: Turret Gunner A20; Emperor Palpatine
But what has that to do with the topic of this thread?

I think the topic of this thread is "Don't cave to the craven barstids that are scared of guns". Palps comment was on-topic, as something to be avoided.

/johnny

47 posted on 10/14/2008 8:58:21 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Ohhhkayyy.... Your position is that God didn't give us the right to defend ourselves. That is not true. Where the hell did you pick up that crap?

If you are going to insist on twisting what I say into some stupid damned lies,, we might just as well drop the whole thing right here.

48 posted on 10/14/2008 9:00:35 PM PDT by Turret Gunner A20 (The FairTax -- the largest magnet for capital and jobs in history. John Snow)
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To: Turret Gunner A20
You have to go back a little further to the Declaration of Independence. That's when we told you to bugger off. I think the words were...

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

/johnny

49 posted on 10/14/2008 9:03:41 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: Emperor Palpatine
You are obviously a statist and not a true conservative.

Why, do I have to lie and agree with you when you are wrong in order to be a conservative? You seem to say that rights are granted by the state instead of being inalienable and granted by God.....as our Founding Fathers believed.

There you go again -- reading BS into what I have said. I said nothing of the kind. Maybe you had better go back and re-read what I did say before you make a complete fool of yourself. And then maybe we can try that one again. That sounds like some European talking, not an American.

Well, if you're going to make me into a European for telling you the truth, you should at least inform me what new citizenship you are granting me.

50 posted on 10/14/2008 9:06:58 PM PDT by Turret Gunner A20 (The FairTax -- the largest magnet for capital and jobs in history. John Snow)
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