Skip to comments.Puppycide in Oklahoma (cop kills dog, says it attacked, owner releases surveillance tape)[Video]
Posted on 10/23/2008 4:31:28 PM PDT by LibWhacker
It’s my understanding that the cops, if entering a home, will kill the dog first, just to avoid any problems from a protective, territorial animal. Tough, indeed, but you can see their point.
By his testicles.
With piano wire.
Here is the e-mail I sent to the Sherrif.
“can you guys come shoot my neighbor’s dog? It keeps barking and I noticed on the news that you specialize in this sort of thing. Keep up the good work.”
No, actually I don't see their point but then I don't think I'll ever get used to a jackboot against my throat.
Sorry, I don't see their point. Why not just shoot the perp, you know, in case he is insolent.
This dog looked like an Aerdale ,,, not one of the common “bad boy” breeds ... The cop was said to have stopped to ask directions ??? I don’t get that at all ,, a patrolman in a small town doesn’t know every single road in the county?? doesn’t pass the smell test... and he had a relative on a ride along... I think the dogs owner had it 100% right ,, he was playing big bad-ass for his relative... pretty typical ,, should make him wear a pink uniform until he decides to quit.
Watch the video and then tell me you can see their point.
....Just when I thought that I had seen everything on here....
It seems that their are a number of people on this thread, including me, that can’t see their point.
This imbecile stopped in her driveway to “ask directions”.
The DOG was doing what he was supposed to do. It was HIS HOME.
You know , I used to respect cops, but this crap happens far too often to just blame it on a few bad apples. I think its a whole mindset LEO has now. The dog was bounding out with its tail wagging. It didn’t look like a threat to me. If cops feel so threatened anymore then maybe they should quit the force and become furniture salesmen.
BTW, if some neanderthal with a badge ever shot MY dog, a lawsuit and internal affairs would be the least of his worries.
Saw this last.
No reason for this. Could have gotten in the car, avoided the whole thing.
This guy has terrible judgment.
It didn’t take long for a JBT boot-licker to turn up, I see.
What would happen if you stopped at a cop's house to ask for directions and shoot his dog instead?
About 10 years ago, while working as the Military Police Duty Officer on Yongsan Garrison in Korea, where there are many family housing units, I saw a stray Airedale wandering around on post in a pouring monsoon. I exited my vehicle and the dog approached me. I checked it for tags (none), put him in the back of my patrol vehicle and took him back to the MP station. By the time I got there, the owners had already called to report him missing.
At no time did I feel compelled to shoot him.
I don't buy his story!! Police cars are equipped with radios - so why stop at a random house for directions!!
What a chickensh*t puke. He should be charged, convicted and fired.
Nope, sorry. I can’t see that at all. No judgement is involved. Cops kill all dogs as a matter of policy. Kinda like those school supervisors that kick a kid out of school for having a blade from a pencil sharpener that broke.
Every time I start thinking of giving to cop charities again another episode like this happens.
I guess that’s it for me and the FOP/Troopers, etc.
With that said, the deputy was not being attacked. The dog had run past him by the time he shot. If that had been an attack, they would have been on the ground.
I want to know what charges are being brought against the deputy and the sheriff?
This cop shot the dog in the driveway.
You think it's fine for cops to pull up into someone's yard and cap their dog?
The deputy should be hung.
It does indeed look like the cop was trying to impress someone (indeed, maybe himself!). My guess is it was a vain effort to maintain a half-inch h*rd-*n.
Shows bad judgment, and one wonders how he'll be able to maintain any rapport with people in that area/town.
More likely than not, if this guy's predilection of shooting first and answering questions later is not addressed forthwith by both the department and the town, this type of thing will come back to bite them in the ass big-time.
Just my $.02...
I believe too many of them use COPS episodes for training films.
Counter point question of the day. Well posed.
The cop should be fired at the very least, and then sued for every penny they can get.
No, I can't see their point at all. First of all, they better have a valid warrant and announce their presence. We will then place the dog in a safe place. Crash your way in like jack booted thugs, and you take your chances--with the dog and with me.
Definitely not a dog bred to be aggressive.
I dont get that at all ,, a patrolman in a small town doesnt know every single road in the county??
Not unnecessarily. I grew up on the end of a half mile dead end road. I don't I saw a police car more than a 100 yards down that road in the dozen years I lived there.
If an officer was called out to one of the houses living on a long driveway off of the road I have little doubt they would have had to stop and ask directions from one of the neighbors along the way. Notice that the house is a way back off of the main road. In such areas the mailboxes are often clustered together on the main road, not by each driveway. You often can't see house numbers from the road.
I think the dogs owner had it 100% right ,, he was playing big bad-ass for his relative...
Look at the video. He walks casually towards the house. Stops and pauses for maybe a second, then starts backing up. He barely gets his gun out before the dog gets to him, and shoots the dog at point blank and the dog is still charging at him when shot.
There doesn't seem to be any evidence of premeditation there.
Despite what the dog owner said he also hadn't backed up far enough to get behind his car door, and it's pretty questionable if he could have gotten the door open and between him and the dog before it got to him unless he turned and ran immediately when it first came at him. Once he paused to evaluate the situation and started backing up, it appears to me the opportunity to jump back in the car was lost.
The dog was being very aggressive. The dog didn't appear to be running up and stopping back a short distance and barking it's head off like dogs usually do. It was charging right at him and didn't appear to be slowing at all. It also looks to me like he shot the dog at pretty much the last possible moment.
His choices seemed to be to shoot or wait and see if the dog turned at the last possible moment, or if it wouldn't really bite him. Or to just take the bite since I don't thing this dog would have taken a big bite out of him. Of course that's easier to say in hindsight from the other end of a security camera than with the dog charging at you.
A dozen years ago I doubt many police officers would have shot the dog. Though I bet a lot of rural police officers back then also got bitten, and then the dogs go put down.
Pepper spray would have been a better choice, but it doesn't look like he had much time to consider his options.
I don't approve of what the officer did, but it also doesn't seem completely unreasonable to me either.
I feel sorry for the dog and the dog owner.
If this had been some teenage girl selling magazines I wonder if we would have heard about the mean dog biting the poor young girl. However since it's a big, tough police officer we just expect him to only react with force after the dog has bitten him.
I agree. The poor dog was running past the dam@ cop. I would be furious.
It gets better.
The cops put out their lie first and when they found out she had it all on video they offered her money for silence, then “advised” her not to ever show the video to anyone.
The whole sheriff’s department is complicit in this and all of them need to be fired and jailed.
There’s a contingent of “cops can do no wrong” JBT boot-lickers here on FR who will tell you yes they certainly have that right.
They’re as big a bunch of morons as the idiot cops they defend.
There was no reason to shoot that dog, the cop is guilty! Send him to the pound!
There’s a lot of ‘pro-cop’ instinct on the right. However, there’s clearly times when cops are acting bad. This is clearly one of them. In fact, the cop should do time.
If someone did that to my dog or cat, the cop had better go rushdie.
Yep, I grew up in that part of the country and everybody there knows when you pay a visit to some stranger out in the boonies you wait a minute before you get out of the car to see if there are dogs, and if there are, you wait until the owner comes out and calls them off before you exit your vehicle. You DON’T just jump out of the car and start blasting away at the first dog you see. Country dogs tend to be more territorial than city dogs. It seems this damned pervert with his badge just wanted to kill a dog that day.
One poster at the website said, “Just more proof that if there were good cops they’d arrest the bad ones,” and I’ve gotta say I’m feeling a little receptive to that argument right about now.
I watched the video for a second time. I believe that you are wrong. The dog was running toward the car, but not directly attacking the perp. Instead of spending time pulling his gun, he could have made it back to open the car door. I’d guess that he is not a (pet) dog person. The dog likely wanted to knock him over to lick his face. Whenever I approach an unfamiliar rural homestead and get out of the car, I first get the dog situation straightened out. Most dogs will let you out of your car, but there has to be a meeting of the minds first (this can sometimes take a couple of minutes).
After reading you analysis, I went back and watched the clip - and I think you are wrong.
That dog did nothing more agressive than run up to lick him.
You need to visit an optometrist if that’s what you saw on the video.
Who knows, maybe you have a big career as a baseball umpire ahead of you with eyesight that keen.....
This was just a rural kill for thrill shooting. Kind of makes me wonder where this deputy was when those two kids were shot on a rural road in Oklahoma last June. I know the counties aren’t exactly close, but state authorities might just want to check the ballistics on this deputy’s weapon.
Interesting idea - I would check all kinds of stuff.
The man is sick.
I got bit by a ST. Bernard when I was a kid - scared the heck out of me, but I didn’t shoot it.
The dog doesn't seem to be running at the car to me. If anything it looks like the dog might go wide around the car and past the guy. I can't quite tell if the dog turned in toward him as it approached the front of the car or not, but it doesn't look like it was going to turn away just out of reach like dogs often do when running at someone.
Instead of spending time pulling his gun, he could have made it back to open the car door.
He backs up in a controlled fashion. He probably could have made it if he rushed back, however rushing away from an aggressive dog is usually not the best idea and they are probably trained not to do so.
It all happens in a matter of seconds, so using hindsight to say what he possibly could have done in the time available to him really isn't reasonable.
He wasn't aggressive. He backed towards his car door in a controlled manner, but he didn't get there before the dog got to him.
The dog likely wanted to knock him over to lick his face.
Quite possibly, though you can usually tell the difference between a dog that wants to run of and like you while jumping on you excitedly and one attacking. We can't however tell from what we can see in the video. The officer might very well have been able to tell, but if he isn't a pet person, he might not have noticed the difference.
I had neighbors with a large black lab that was actually a danger to old people or young children because of how excitedly he would jump up on people and attempt to lick them to death. A really, really friendly dog, and was a nice dog once he got a little older and calmed down some.
Whenever I approach an unfamiliar rural homestead and get out of the car, I first get the dog situation straightened out.
Yea, I delivered pizzas for a few years in a somewhat rural area. You could usually tell the houses where the dog might be a problem before getting out of the car. Of course the people who had dogs that were a problem would always say "he won't hurt you".
If I couldn't get the people to come get their dog under control I'd just give the dog a little time to calm down, get out of the car and stand by it for a short time to let the dog get used to the fact that I was there, and then slowly head to the door. It could be a real pain when I was running behind on deliveries and there were a number of people to whom we quit delivering to because they wouldn't put their dogs inside even though they acted very aggressively.
In this case, it doesn't really look like he had the opportunity to let the dog calm down. He was walking casually towards the house. You can see him pause when he sees the dog coming, and start backing up. He stays in close to the car, which limits the how the dog can come in at him, which encourages the dog to turn away at the front of the car. However, the dog doesn't appear to have turned away.
Maybe it was just overly friendly. That would explain why it kept running strait at him. Nervously aggressive dogs tend to run at people but turn away or stop when they get close if the person doesn't turn away. This dog didn't appear to turn or stop.
I guess that leave really friendly, or really aggressive, and I can't tell the difference from the video.
Craven, low life sacks of ****
Come into my home or onto my property and cause harm, tin badge or no and I will do everything necessary to eliminate the threat you pose.
That cheap piece of tin isn’t going to do you a damned bit of good when you’re in the wrong and I’m in the right and I know I’m in the right.
Usually the nervous, aggressive dogs will stop or turn a short distance away, but farther away than this dog was when shot.
The dog was either really friendly and wanted to jump up on him and lick him, or really aggressive and wanted to bite him.
I can't tell from the video. The officer probably should have been able to tell the difference unless he's really, really not a pet person. I had a neighbor with a big chocolate lab that would run up and nearly knock me off my feet out of over excited friendliness. He would do the same to complete strangers, and I do remember seeing people turning and running for their cars when he came running. He was a bit intimidating even though I knew he was friendly. I can see how he could scare a stranger to death, and he wouldn't turn away or stop short. You just had to realize that his tail was wagging and his teeth weren't bared at you as he charged.
Of course that same neighbor's previous dogs had to be put down. One bit a neighbor kid that was riding by on a three wheeler, and the kid, and the other actually bit the owner's son. Those were a couple of mean Doberman Pincers. The friendly lab was a huge improvement even if he did get muddy paw prints on me a lot.
Feel free to walk me though what happens as you see it. It’s possible that you might interpret things differently, and an explanation of your interpretation might change my mind.
That's definitely possible.
You can't really tell from the video.
The dog doesn't seem to turn or slow. Most somewhat aggressive dogs will turn or stop a short distance away and bark.
This dog doesn't appear to slow or turn away. He might have been about to turn away right about when he was shot, but he was already really close at that point.
It seems to me the dog was either really, really friendly or really, really aggressive.
I can't tell one way or the other from the video.
Why do you think it was really friendly rather than really aggressive?
The shooter was either a coward or sadistic.
The sad trend in law enforcement has been seeing many officers responding with lethal force to a perceived threat as opposed to an actual violent event in progress (ie shooting people for reaching into their jackets)
I own a red-haired Golden - colour my perception, I guess.
She would run up to a stranger like that, and -*ahem*- service them.
On the other hand, my Akita (sadly deceased), would have NEVER run up to someone like that. He would have posted, hackles raised, and sounded a warning.
Now, many years ago, I owned a blue-eyed Alaskan - she would not have offered any warning at all. If she decided something needed to die, it did.
But she also never charged anything in the driveway.
My point is, a charging dog inten on mayhem is not competent to the job - most charging dogs are intent on a but-sniffing lick-fest.
I work as a mail carrier for USPS, and I never leave my vehicle without my pepper spray at the ready. Sometimes I have literally two seconds to fend off an attack from a vicious dog. These attacks happens frequently, sometimes daily. The only defense I have is to get my mail bag between me and the dog and grab my spray.
The owners think its a big joke! I am the most understanding person in the world when it comes to people’s pets. But what i can’t stand is an owner’s stupidity in defending their pet, when the attack caused great stress and endangerment to me. It’s not funny, its against the law, and if the animal bites, its a huge fine, removal of the animal for rabies testing and eventually put out of its misery.
So, there is always two sides to the story.