Posted on 11/10/2008 2:28:52 PM PST by My Favorite Headache
If I read about the "landslide" election once more I will be forced to hurl bile. The raw data...the true numbers speak what happened in this election.
Obama won by: 204,577 in FL 206,770 in OH 202,110 in VA 13,993 in NC 25,836 in IN 119,896 in NV 140,732 in IA
That comes out to 913,914 votes. So yes...people are claiming McCain was crushed by 7 million votes but in all reality it was 913,914 votes in total that Obama needed at the end of the day. Turn out was lower than 2004 for the GOP...about 20% less. We pretty much know the reasons why Conservatives stayed home and fence sitting moderates went for "Change", but if we put a solid Conservative next time on the ticket we can surely pass up 913,914 make up voters in 4 years. These were the states that mattered the entire time.
We had good turn out in traditionally heavy red counties...if we are to be serious about reversing course in 2010 with the mid-terms...then focusing on a million voters spread across these states is not asking much at all if you really think about it.
Sounds pretty good. Except that in the next elections we’ll have to overcome Chicago politics voter fraud on the national level.
repbulicans need to push for a cleaner voter registration list. Hate to see ppl vote multiple times or dead ppl/nonexisting ppl voting
Do you really believe the turnout was less than 2004, when you look at the people who registered to vote that was supposed to be the most in American history? I don’t believe that, and just wonder what happened to those votes.
Lordy, and that’s after all the FRAUD going on. Thanks a lot you “stay at home” idiots, and you who voted for this Marxist to ruin our country for our children and GRANDchildren, damn, each time I come across one of you, you will hear my mind in full.
As someone posted on a thread earlier today, you're assuming there will be another election...
ACORN
A similar analysis done in 1988 showed how the change of some 500,000 votes in strategic states would have elected Michael Stanley Dukakis.
The GOP had their chance-they had the POTUS and Congress.They could have gotten voter ID through for Federal elections.
FBI needs to get cracking now. The mid-terms are crucial as we can set the tide like we did in 94...undermine the hell out of the marxist just like the left did to Bush for each and every day of his 8 years. Give a taste of his own medicine...not to mention Howard Dean won’t be leading the party any longer as he is stepping down.
How did Fox news call those states so early? If the numbers are this close how did they do it? Did they rely on exit polling?
Change the following from Obama to McCain:
102,289 in FL
103,386 in OH
101,056 in VA
6997 in NC
12,919 in IN
70,267 in IA
59,949 in NV
Total change from Obama to McCain: 456,863
Governor/Secretary of State offices crucial in 2010 election. The Secretary of State is where the fraudulent voter registrations get removed.
Republicans can learn from the Democrats (imho) by sticking with and supporting the candidate that makes it to the top of the heap.
I don’t know this for a fact but I suspect that there were a lot of people who stayed home rather than voting for McCain because they didn’t want to “hold their noses.”
Get real. Hope they enjoy the Dahlibam’s term of office. See if it’s any better than what would have been the case if they’d voted for McCain.
obama has at least as much political capital as Bush had in 2004. Something tells me BO will not sit on his hands and waste it as W did.
We know that the SoS of Ohio had over 200,000 “questionable” votes she wouldn’t turn over before the election. I estimated that’s how many each State that ACORN worked in that the dems were worried about had at least 200, 000. Hmm. Looking at your figures it looks like they had what they needed.
Republicans must do everything they can (in Republican states) to stop this early voting fraud.
It opens the system up to fraud, and fails to take into account last minute issues.
The GOP failed to heed warning after warning in years past that Democrats were reaching "critical mass" in their ability to stack voter registration results by....
Disallowing military ballots
Motor voter (inner city Democrats simply rubber stamp absentee ballots and the GOP is helpless to check for authenticity)
Massive third world immigration, especially Latin American influx which votes overwhelmingly Democrat (nothing against third world countries but let's have a little balance)
Republicans must stop being overcome by guilt at race, wealth, health care, taxes, etc.
IT MIGHT BE TOO late for conservatives to recover as Democrats will surely have MORE power to slant their ability to fraudulate the votes in years to come.
Or don't.
so where the hell were they coming up with the 7 million number? this does make me feel better however...
Does this take into account the fact that Republicans have been leaving the GOP since 2004?
Two comments: 1. There were more votes in 2008 than in 2004. Not many and I don’t believe there was a higher percentage, but there were about 1 million more votes.
2. The race was lost in six states that the hated Bush won: Ohio, Florida, Virginia, N.C, Indiana and Colorado. In both Ohio and Indiana, McCain got fewer votes than Bush did.
Next election won’t be as close, just like the second Clinton term.
I think that in this American Idol crazed world, we’re crazy to think the message is more important than who is singing the song. We need a stealth conservative who looks and sounds good, but in his values is the anti-Obama. Just like Obama is the anti-conservative.
HOw many of those votes were ACORN frauds???
oh wait...they’re including popular vote, yes?
Uh, they weren't GOP...
In Florida, Democratic registration gains this year are more than double those made by Republicans; in Colorado and Nevada the ratio is 4 to 1, and in North Carolina it is 6 to 1. Even in states with nonpartisan registration, the trend is clear -- of the 310,000 new voters in Virginia, a disproportionate share live in Democratic strongholds.
And here’s another number for your total: 500,000. That’s the number of absentee ballots cast by military personnel stationed overseas. So far, it’s unclear how many of those votes were actually counted. Polling suggests that at least 2/3 of those ballots were cast for John McCain. Now, divide that number among the various battleground states and the race is even closer.
Republicans should make military voting rights a priority for the next Congress, and raise hell when the Democrats stall. The Dims have never supported military voting reforms, and aren’t about to start now. It’s a winning issue, particularly when we learn how many of those votes went uncounted.
They can try anything they please, there will still be another election. Over whatever they require - do the math.
Oh, and it is AOF.
Spin.
I think ACORN was just a distraction.
I believe it was to keep our eyes off MoveOn.
Oboma made a record amount of money through the Internet this election, in $200 purchased debit card increments, so the money couldn't be traced - form people who live on food stamps !!??? I think not.
So, what do you think MoveOn was up to all this time when no one was paying attention to THEM.?
Largely because the media trumpeted for days before the elections that McCain had already lost.
If those voters had not listened and voted anyway, McCain very well would have won.
It doesn't matter what happens in the intervening time. The Dems always depend mostly on the last month or so before Nov. 4 to do most of their winning. Whether it's Mark Foley-type tactics, the media lying about how the polls are going for the Dem whatever. The last month is when most of the dirty tricks are done to depress the Repub vote.
If the right wing vote had not been split by Ross Perot, Clinton would have lost that reelection.
It would be nice if voter results for each state were withheld until ALL votes for that state are in and counted.
I agree. I don't think McCain would have gotten any where near this close if it weren't for Sara, though. People wanted to vote for her.
McCain couldn’t wait to throw up his hands and quit.
They should have contested EVERY %@#*# ballot.
The Republicans always give us something to vote against, but they never give us anything to vote FOR. I think people are getting tired of that trick. I sure am.
Either they go back to their conservative roots, or they're going to keep losing people to the independent group. Why be a Republican when you can vote democrat and get the same thing (with maybe a little extra $$freebie on the side)?
The dems lie, cheat and steal; they engage in voter fraud and solicit and accept illegal monies, both foreign and domestic and there's barely a peep from the Repubs.
They offer the hand of "bipartasinship" to the dems and it gets bitten off. What do they do? Offer the other hand. They let themselves be shouted down like Elizabeth Hasselback on "the view".
The President should also have taken McCain, Specter, Snow, Hagel and the other Rinos to the woodshed and told them "I get your vote on this issue or your career is done".
Personally, I think that, with 2 or 3 Rinos the dems already have their fillibuster proof majority and they will pass anything they want, constitutional or not.
Mr. Franklin, we could not keep the Republic.
Something must have happened to "Mickey Mouse" on the way to his poling place.
Register a lot more people and your percentage turnout may go down if they don't show up to vote.
There's a difference between the percentage of registered voters who cast ballots and the percentage of eligible voters who do so.
And about that win in Ohio by approximately 200,000 votes-—strangely that is the number of the “questionable” (mostly ACORN) ballots that leftist SOS Jennifer Brunner refused to run checks on to see if they were legit. By the way, Ohio has 88 counties, and 66 of them went for McCain.
Correct...nationally...so they like to inflate by adding crap in like NY, CA, Ill, MA,NJ which are all liberal and will never be a bellweather and always will be blue. But when it comes to battleground all we really lost by was a little less than 1 million votes. We can make that up in 2 years with no problem. We just need fresh voices and fresh faces.
Yes and returns from key areas.
I think it is the boogie man, each year they are going to turn out record numbers of young voters, each year it doesn't happen.
God i LOVE your optimism! :)
The news stated that both parties had registered more voters and would have almost double the turnout of 2004...so what happened? All stayed home? No I will never believe that...it’s screwy at best.
Woodshed? Democracy? What?
Huh?
Who said that?!? Citation, please.
The first article from WI talks of 50% more turnout expected, but fell short. The other articles are more closely associated with what happened.
50% is not 100%.
Perhaps you heard comparisons to off-year election turnout? That happened in many places.
That may be it...
You know we lost VA over 12,000 votes and NC by over 22,000..that seems odd to me because NC is usually a red state.
No, it doesn't.
It says that there were 50% more absentee ballots in 2008 than 2004.
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