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Obama's Civil Defense Force (vanity)
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Posted on 11/11/2008 2:10:23 AM PST by MrPiper

Obama's civilian defense force, that is ‘as well funded as the military

Does anyone know if a state controlled militia is legal under the constitution without succession?

I did a search and found nothing. This is an offshoot of another thread, "Rep calls Obama a Marxists".


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civilian defense force’ that is ‘as well funded as the military

Does anyone know if a state controlled militia is legal under the constitution without succession? This might off set this farce of a CDF.

I know the second Amendment allows this militia to be armed. Could a state use state funds and donations to fund a State Militia controlled by the Governor? (National Guard is fed funded and fed controlled)

If Obombus goes through with this Obombanation, maybe some brave congress critters could get an exception to this forced servitude if one is already a member of a "State CDF".

If a fed tells me my kids are being taken away to join a federal training camp, I'm afraid they will not go peacefully.

1 posted on 11/11/2008 2:10:23 AM PST by MrPiper
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To: MrPiper

In Germany, the civilian defense force started out as Hitler’s Brown Shirts and became the Gestapo and the SS.


2 posted on 11/11/2008 2:43:56 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

Besides Germany, various communist countries had it. In Rwanda, the youth wing of the main party (originally one party) was called Interhamawe and it became a civil defense unit in the genocide along with the Gendarmes who were the state police in the genocide as part of a civil defense system against the RPF and killed alot of people. I fail to see why we need a national police force of any kind. Each state has a DPS and a National Guard unit. National Guard units can be activated if need be. I find it really scary the whole proposition. I can over look any of the so called project corps if they are modeled on some old WPA project or any type of corp where someone can work for their welfare if possible, pay off their home loans and other governmental loans, or maybe even overlooking an Americorp on steroids. But this is getting out of hand with a national police force.


3 posted on 11/11/2008 2:50:06 AM PST by volslover
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To: MrPiper
Obama is already building  a cadre to lead his own "people’s organization" -- and he's got a ton of money -- more than $75 million.

Obama has, through his nonprofit group, "Public Allies," a pun on Alinsky's "people’s organizations,"
 has been organizing and training a political cadre since 1993.  There are fifteen fully-staffed and populated chapters, operating under the watchful eye of Michelle Obama.

The Obama Campaign is also conducting, at the state level, a "national program for social change," called "Camp Obama," and there's no marshmallows at Camp Obama.  Here's their sign-up page -- you too can be a "Deputy Field Organizer."

Obama Campaign's website promises that "you'll get the kind of experience that Barack got as a community organizer on the South Side of Chicago," and "Camp Obama is your chance to step up and become a leader in this movement."

Movement?  What movement?

Public Allies and Camp Obama are Alinsky training programs designed to build a core group of "community organizers" dedicated to "social change" in their communities. 

Their charter will be to bring about "Change."  They'll do this through threats, pressure, tension and confrontation -- the tactics of Alinsky.

Obama is cloning thousands of baby Obamas -- a "people’s organization" -- and on our dime.

A "movement" -- dedicated to social change by getting people "pissed off" -- and there will be thousands of them.

If Obama should sit in the Oval Office, just what do you think he has planned for these guys?

And -- if Obama shouldn't sit in the Oval Office, just what do you think he has planned for these guys?

Remember this? 

On July 2nd, 2008, Obama spoke in Colorado Springs and hit themes of national service, foreign policy, and national security.  In that vein, Obama proposed a rather extraordinary idea -- that the US should spend as much money on a civilian national security force as it does on the military. (video)

"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

And what color shirts will they wear?

Lenin said this about socialism: "The goal of socialism is communism."

4 posted on 11/11/2008 3:04:50 AM PST by Beckwith (Typical white person)
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To: Beckwith

Well , if we all sit here on our computers and bitch about it he WILL gain the total control he craves.
I have been posting since election night that we NEED to organize . We have to get together and create a patriot organization that fights Obama at every turn. We need to be VERY aggressive and in their faces . I’m willing to spend time , energy and money to DO SOMETHING about it . I’m in NJ ,anyone know of any one starting an organization like this ? Anyone willing to do this at all?


5 posted on 11/11/2008 3:14:01 AM PST by sonic109
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To: MrPiper
Does anyone know if a state controlled militia is legal under the constitution without succession? This might off set this farce of a CDF.

Do you mean secession, as in seceding from the Union? Just wondering, because "succession" doesn't feel like the right word here. Yeah, I know it's nitpicking.

6 posted on 11/11/2008 3:17:03 AM PST by pbmaltzman
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To: MrPiper

The South Carolina State Guard is a state malitia controlled by the govoner of the state of sc


7 posted on 11/11/2008 3:18:15 AM PST by garykfd (American by Birth, Southern by the Grace of God!)
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To: garykfd

and extremely well armed I might add


8 posted on 11/11/2008 3:18:56 AM PST by garykfd (American by Birth, Southern by the Grace of God!)
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To: MrPiper

I’ve been calling it “Obama’s private army.”


9 posted on 11/11/2008 3:19:09 AM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: Beckwith
Right now at this mment in time I feel Khrushchevwas right.

Communism will bury us.

10 posted on 11/11/2008 3:20:33 AM PST by chainsaw ( No racist radical Muslims in the WH)
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To: MrPiper

This is my thought on Obama’s idea of Brown Shirts for America.
Unlike the German Military, the American Military will not take kindly to these people. I work closely with many current military people and I do not see them sitting idlely by and allowing America to be taken over by thugs.
Beyond that, we the people of America are far better armed then the German people were and I do not see us allowing Brown Shirts to operate in the same manner as did the german peoples.


11 posted on 11/11/2008 3:23:24 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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To: MrPiper

“I know the second Amendment allows this militia to be armed.”

WRONG!!! The Second Amendment doesn’t “allow” anything: It clearly states that the right to keep and bear arms (a pre-existing, God-given right, just as life itself) shall not be infringed. The Second Amendment is a reminder and a warning to the government that it CANNOT infringe on the right that the people already have.


12 posted on 11/11/2008 3:41:45 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: SECURE AMERICA
I believe the U. S. Constitution prohibits the presence of an active "Standing army..." within the borders of the United States of America; one of the problems Lincoln wrestled with in the mid-to-late 1860's, which I believe he negotiated successfully by declaring Martial Law and a national State of Emergency.

The more astute constitutional scholars than I really should weigh in here though, as I am guessing from what little I remember from high school history & civics.

;-/

13 posted on 11/11/2008 3:44:44 AM PST by Gargantua ("...but Daddy... I don't want to go to Madrassas...)
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To: MrPiper
"Does anyone know if a state controlled militia is legal under the constitution without succession?"

Yup, right here: State Guard Association of the United States.

There are 27 volunteer State Guard/Militia/Reservists (different terms for different states) units in 24 States under the direct control of each State Governor. They are not affiliated with the National Guard and therefore cannot be called into service by the President.

They mostly consist of a bunch of ole-timer Veterans, much like the Coast Guard Auxiliary. However, unlike the CG Auxiliary, they are not Congressionally sanctioned. They are strictly State authorized.

Most people don't know about them. And although they may be a bunch of "geezers", they have a formal chain-of-command, regulations, and uniforms (self bought), and can be mobilized by their own State's authority.

So yes, there ARE recognized Militias. Not to mention that the US Code stipulates that any male between the ages of 18 and 40 (IIRC) are part of the Militia (Google US Code +Militia). Think about how many US citizens are subject to the Militia Code that could legally fight the military if there were cause.

14 posted on 11/11/2008 3:44:44 AM PST by A Navy Vet (In perpetuum sacramentum : An Oath is Forever)
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To: sonic109

“I have been posting since election night that we NEED to organize . We have to get together and create a patriot organization that fights Obama at every turn. We need to be VERY aggressive and in their faces . I’m willing to spend time , energy and money to DO SOMETHING about it . I’m in NJ ,anyone know of any one starting an organization like this ? Anyone willing to do this at all?”

Count me in.


15 posted on 11/11/2008 3:46:41 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: garykfd
You may want to look at this for support: State Guard Association of the United States (SGAUS)
16 posted on 11/11/2008 3:48:12 AM PST by A Navy Vet (In perpetuum sacramentum : An Oath is Forever)
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To: MrPiper
This is why there's a Second Amendment!
17 posted on 11/11/2008 3:54:28 AM PST by grobdriver (Let the embeds check the bodies!)
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To: Gargantua
"I believe the U. S. Constitution prohibits the presence of an active "Standing army..." within the borders of the United States of America; one of the problems Lincoln wrestled with in the mid-to-late 1860's, which I believe he negotiated successfully by declaring Martial Law and a national State of Emergency."

Actually, you are correct. There is no provision within the Constitution for an army - for a Navy, yes.

However, within our nation's last hundred years or so, it became apparent we needed such. So, we need a Constitutional Amendment to change that.

In this day of hi-tech weaponry and smaller world, the US cannot rely on a civilian Militia to counter our enemies, as much as some dream we should.

18 posted on 11/11/2008 3:56:08 AM PST by A Navy Vet (In perpetuum sacramentum : An Oath is Forever)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

Will we have any military personnel left? Current troops will not re-up and I can’t imagine that anyone will join now that O is “commander in chief.”
I disagree about American people. Most are still in denial, if you will, about what’s happening. I fear they won’t understand until it’s too late.


19 posted on 11/11/2008 3:56:19 AM PST by ElayneJ
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To: MrPiper

recall the 2 goons with clubs outside the Philly polling station? that’s the OCDF


20 posted on 11/11/2008 3:56:24 AM PST by wny
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To: MrPiper

A civilian force;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwaAVJITx1Y

His prototype?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mvP0ArKIGY


21 posted on 11/11/2008 4:07:01 AM PST by BILL_C (Jimmy Carter brought us Ronald Regan, Obama's contribution will be equally good. Is it Sarah?)
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To: MrPiper

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

The Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act substantially limit the powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement.

The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385) passed on June 16, 1878 after the end of Reconstruction. The Act prohibits most members of the federal uniformed services (the Army, Air Force, and State National Guard forces when such are called into federal service) from exercising nominally state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain “law and order” on non-federal property (states and their counties and municipal divisions) in the former Confederate states.

The statute generally prohibits federal military personnel and units of the National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States, except where expressly authorized by the Constitution or Congress. The Coast Guard is exempt from the Act.
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22 posted on 11/11/2008 4:08:19 AM PST by Peelod (God bless America - pray for the Restoration)
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To: MrPiper

If he does this, there will be armed revolution and blood will run in the city streets.


23 posted on 11/11/2008 4:34:35 AM PST by Jackknife ( "The Bureau of Alcohol,Tobacco, and Firearms should be a department store, not a gov't agency.")
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To: MrPiper

Has the Constitution ever been anything more than a minor annoyance to these people? I’ve long worried that it will have to be bloodied to be saved. Even more now.


24 posted on 11/11/2008 4:40:20 AM PST by Feckless (En Temps)
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To: MrPiper
First of all call it what he did. “National Security Force”. You think legal or illegal will stop him? He will make it part of the draft and that is how it will become “legal”. It will not be a national guard etc. It will be a response to a Wag the Dog type scenario before the 2010 elections and will start out as “community service”.
25 posted on 11/11/2008 4:51:59 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit.)
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To: MrPiper

Re: A Civil Defense Force

We have this now. It’s called CCW.


26 posted on 11/11/2008 5:36:28 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Little known fact: Barack Obama translated into Kenyan means "Jimmy Carter")
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To: MrPiper
Does anyone know if a state controlled militia is legal under the constitution without succession?

Anything is legal under the Constitution if 5 politically appointed judges say it is legal. Conversely, anything is illegal under the Constitution if 5 politically appointed Judges say it is illegal - even the Constitution itself. We have found the real flaw in the Constitution - the assumption that Judges have character and will act with honesty rather than raw political allegiance.

27 posted on 11/11/2008 5:44:36 AM PST by ghostrider
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To: Peelod

I recall Bush mentioning posse comitatus as the reason why the military wasn’t used immediately after Katrina.


28 posted on 11/11/2008 6:49:07 AM PST by oldleft
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To: MrPiper

Let’s pray his brownshirts wear blue helmets to make them easy targets.


29 posted on 11/11/2008 7:34:24 AM PST by zeugma (Who is John Galt?)
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To: sonic109

I’ve got my own agenda. Good luck with yours.


30 posted on 11/11/2008 7:53:42 AM PST by Beckwith (Typical white person)
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To: Beckwith
I just heard people talking about this very topic on the radio about an hour ago and it frankly, scared the crap out of me. I got on the computer to search for information and figure out if people are overreacting to something he said - but of course not! I should have known better. Anyway - in searching, I stumbled upon this site and found all these posts by all of you great Americans and I just have to say THANK YOU!!! At least I know when it gets down to me being barricaded in my home with my guns and kids I won't be alone. This is tyranny pure and simple.

Hitler had three lynch pins in place in order to do what he did. Media devotion, gun control, and a civil defense to enforce the other two. Like I said - at least I feel better knowing we're not going down without a fight!! I'm going to go watch Red Dawn now, hahahahaha.

31 posted on 11/11/2008 8:44:20 AM PST by Oggie
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To: Oggie
Wolverines!
32 posted on 11/11/2008 8:48:13 AM PST by Beckwith (Typical white person)
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To: Beckwith

Seriously! I’m so sick of being surrounded by stupid, apathetic people who don’t know/care enough about history to see the writing on the wall. Myopic, self-centered, living-in-the-moment people everywhere I turn! Grrrrrrr!

I can’t believe THEY elected this fool . . . and it has nothing to do with his race - as my mother says trash is trash, it doesn’t matter what color the bag is.

At least I found a place to vent my frustration!


33 posted on 11/11/2008 9:14:37 AM PST by Oggie
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To: Oggie

Well, don’t vent at me. I have my own frustrations.


34 posted on 11/11/2008 12:38:56 PM PST by Beckwith (Typical white person)
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To: garykfd

don’t forget the “unorganized militia”


35 posted on 11/11/2008 12:40:01 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, and Thuggery)
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To: Oggie

God gave America a clear choice between good and evil.
Americans in the majority voted for evil.
Judgement time. Choices have consequences.


36 posted on 11/11/2008 12:41:50 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, and Thuggery)
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To: volslover
This CDF (Defense, Ha!) will be nothing more than a bunch of Obama loyalists who will be counted to ignore the US Constitution and only listen to their 'Dear Leader'. When they are as well funded as DoD, and with the DoD having to operate under conflicted orders, chaos will prosper - dissention will be crushed.

There are a lot of apologists and rationalizers who think this can't happen in the U. S. of A, but they are mistaken. There is absolutely no other reason to form a force like this for other than totalitarian reasons - simply none!

Above all, this statement of intent by Obama is the worst, by far.

37 posted on 11/11/2008 2:19:39 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: volslover

Ironically, the ultimate victims of the last formation of a CDF (Germany), voted en masse for Obama. What is it about the Jewish community that contributes to its own demise?


38 posted on 11/11/2008 2:22:01 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: A Navy Vet

Talk of a standing army in the US comporting with the Constitution for possible defense from forces without the confines is not the problem. The purpose of Obama’s CDF is not for combating threats from without - it is for oppressing dissent from within.


39 posted on 11/11/2008 2:23:58 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: sonic109
DO SOMETHING about it .

Well, gun and ammo sales are up.

40 posted on 11/11/2008 2:31:34 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat lead.)
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To: Peelod
The statute generally prohibits federal military personnel and units of the National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States...

They will be part of homeland security, charged with making Amerika safe by disarming the masses.

41 posted on 11/11/2008 2:35:46 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat lead.)
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