Skip to comments.Obama's Civil Defense Force (vanity)
Posted on 11/11/2008 2:10:23 AM PST by MrPiper
Obama's civilian defense force, that is as well funded as the military
Does anyone know if a state controlled militia is legal under the constitution without succession?
I did a search and found nothing. This is an offshoot of another thread, "Rep calls Obama a Marxists".
Does anyone know if a state controlled militia is legal under the constitution without succession? This might off set this farce of a CDF.
I know the second Amendment allows this militia to be armed. Could a state use state funds and donations to fund a State Militia controlled by the Governor? (National Guard is fed funded and fed controlled)
If Obombus goes through with this Obombanation, maybe some brave congress critters could get an exception to this forced servitude if one is already a member of a "State CDF".
If a fed tells me my kids are being taken away to join a federal training camp, I'm afraid they will not go peacefully.
In Germany, the civilian defense force started out as Hitler’s Brown Shirts and became the Gestapo and the SS.
Besides Germany, various communist countries had it. In Rwanda, the youth wing of the main party (originally one party) was called Interhamawe and it became a civil defense unit in the genocide along with the Gendarmes who were the state police in the genocide as part of a civil defense system against the RPF and killed alot of people. I fail to see why we need a national police force of any kind. Each state has a DPS and a National Guard unit. National Guard units can be activated if need be. I find it really scary the whole proposition. I can over look any of the so called project corps if they are modeled on some old WPA project or any type of corp where someone can work for their welfare if possible, pay off their home loans and other governmental loans, or maybe even overlooking an Americorp on steroids. But this is getting out of hand with a national police force.
"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives weve set. Weve got to have a civilian national security force thats just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."
And what color shirts will they wear?
Lenin said this about socialism: "The goal of socialism is communism."
Well , if we all sit here on our computers and bitch about it he WILL gain the total control he craves.
I have been posting since election night that we NEED to organize . We have to get together and create a patriot organization that fights Obama at every turn. We need to be VERY aggressive and in their faces . I’m willing to spend time , energy and money to DO SOMETHING about it . I’m in NJ ,anyone know of any one starting an organization like this ? Anyone willing to do this at all?
Do you mean secession, as in seceding from the Union? Just wondering, because "succession" doesn't feel like the right word here. Yeah, I know it's nitpicking.
The South Carolina State Guard is a state malitia controlled by the govoner of the state of sc
and extremely well armed I might add
I’ve been calling it “Obama’s private army.”
Communism will bury us.
This is my thought on Obama’s idea of Brown Shirts for America.
Unlike the German Military, the American Military will not take kindly to these people. I work closely with many current military people and I do not see them sitting idlely by and allowing America to be taken over by thugs.
Beyond that, we the people of America are far better armed then the German people were and I do not see us allowing Brown Shirts to operate in the same manner as did the german peoples.
“I know the second Amendment allows this militia to be armed.”
WRONG!!! The Second Amendment doesn’t “allow” anything: It clearly states that the right to keep and bear arms (a pre-existing, God-given right, just as life itself) shall not be infringed. The Second Amendment is a reminder and a warning to the government that it CANNOT infringe on the right that the people already have.
The more astute constitutional scholars than I really should weigh in here though, as I am guessing from what little I remember from high school history & civics.
Yup, right here: State Guard Association of the United States.
There are 27 volunteer State Guard/Militia/Reservists (different terms for different states) units in 24 States under the direct control of each State Governor. They are not affiliated with the National Guard and therefore cannot be called into service by the President.
They mostly consist of a bunch of ole-timer Veterans, much like the Coast Guard Auxiliary. However, unlike the CG Auxiliary, they are not Congressionally sanctioned. They are strictly State authorized.
Most people don't know about them. And although they may be a bunch of "geezers", they have a formal chain-of-command, regulations, and uniforms (self bought), and can be mobilized by their own State's authority.
So yes, there ARE recognized Militias. Not to mention that the US Code stipulates that any male between the ages of 18 and 40 (IIRC) are part of the Militia (Google US Code +Militia). Think about how many US citizens are subject to the Militia Code that could legally fight the military if there were cause.
“I have been posting since election night that we NEED to organize . We have to get together and create a patriot organization that fights Obama at every turn. We need to be VERY aggressive and in their faces . Im willing to spend time , energy and money to DO SOMETHING about it . Im in NJ ,anyone know of any one starting an organization like this ? Anyone willing to do this at all?”
Count me in.
Actually, you are correct. There is no provision within the Constitution for an army - for a Navy, yes.
However, within our nation's last hundred years or so, it became apparent we needed such. So, we need a Constitutional Amendment to change that.
In this day of hi-tech weaponry and smaller world, the US cannot rely on a civilian Militia to counter our enemies, as much as some dream we should.
Will we have any military personnel left? Current troops will not re-up and I can’t imagine that anyone will join now that O is “commander in chief.”
I disagree about American people. Most are still in denial, if you will, about what’s happening. I fear they won’t understand until it’s too late.
recall the 2 goons with clubs outside the Philly polling station? that’s the OCDF
A civilian force;
The Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act substantially limit the powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement.
The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385) passed on June 16, 1878 after the end of Reconstruction. The Act prohibits most members of the federal uniformed services (the Army, Air Force, and State National Guard forces when such are called into federal service) from exercising nominally state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain “law and order” on non-federal property (states and their counties and municipal divisions) in the former Confederate states.
The statute generally prohibits federal military personnel and units of the National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States, except where expressly authorized by the Constitution or Congress. The Coast Guard is exempt from the Act.
If he does this, there will be armed revolution and blood will run in the city streets.
Has the Constitution ever been anything more than a minor annoyance to these people? I’ve long worried that it will have to be bloodied to be saved. Even more now.
Re: A Civil Defense Force
We have this now. It’s called CCW.
Anything is legal under the Constitution if 5 politically appointed judges say it is legal. Conversely, anything is illegal under the Constitution if 5 politically appointed Judges say it is illegal - even the Constitution itself. We have found the real flaw in the Constitution - the assumption that Judges have character and will act with honesty rather than raw political allegiance.
I recall Bush mentioning posse comitatus as the reason why the military wasn’t used immediately after Katrina.
Let’s pray his brownshirts wear blue helmets to make them easy targets.
I’ve got my own agenda. Good luck with yours.
Hitler had three lynch pins in place in order to do what he did. Media devotion, gun control, and a civil defense to enforce the other two. Like I said - at least I feel better knowing we're not going down without a fight!! I'm going to go watch Red Dawn now, hahahahaha.
Seriously! I’m so sick of being surrounded by stupid, apathetic people who don’t know/care enough about history to see the writing on the wall. Myopic, self-centered, living-in-the-moment people everywhere I turn! Grrrrrrr!
I can’t believe THEY elected this fool . . . and it has nothing to do with his race - as my mother says trash is trash, it doesn’t matter what color the bag is.
At least I found a place to vent my frustration!
Well, don’t vent at me. I have my own frustrations.
don’t forget the “unorganized militia”
God gave America a clear choice between good and evil.
Americans in the majority voted for evil.
Judgement time. Choices have consequences.
There are a lot of apologists and rationalizers who think this can't happen in the U. S. of A, but they are mistaken. There is absolutely no other reason to form a force like this for other than totalitarian reasons - simply none!
Above all, this statement of intent by Obama is the worst, by far.
Ironically, the ultimate victims of the last formation of a CDF (Germany), voted en masse for Obama. What is it about the Jewish community that contributes to its own demise?
Talk of a standing army in the US comporting with the Constitution for possible defense from forces without the confines is not the problem. The purpose of Obama’s CDF is not for combating threats from without - it is for oppressing dissent from within.
Well, gun and ammo sales are up.
They will be part of homeland security, charged with making Amerika safe by disarming the masses.
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