Quit It Kathleen (Parker Excoriates "GOD" Conservatives, Goldberg Blasts Back)

National Review's The Corner ^ | 11-19-08 | Jonah Goldberg

[TitansAFC]

To my friend Kathleen Parker — This act is getting really old.

As Republicans sort out the reasons for their defeat, they likely will overlook or dismiss the gorilla in the pulpit.

Three little letters, great big problem: G-O-D.

I'm bathing in holy water as I type.

[Above My Pay Grade]

Someone should tell Kathleen there is already a party for people who hate God.

She should just join the Democrat party and start writing the Huffington Post already.

[HappyinAZ]

“...And the nonreligious won’t get religion through external (GOVERMENT IMPOSED) conversion. It doesn’t work that way.”

Fixed it...this is what I think she meant...and on this point...she is correct.

[puroresu]

Goldberg should have been a lot harder on her than he was, but I guess he knows her personally. Her behavior has simply been reprehensible. Ironically, she's behaving very much like McCain did back in 2000 when he found that the media preferred him to Bush. He tracked leftward and did everything he could to screw the GOP. After each outrage, he'd parade himself before the press for applause. He'd also pretend to be a martyr, since he endured some criticism from the GOP ranks, as if the fawning treatment by the media didn't more than make up for it.

You wanna see real courage, Kathleen? Then let's see a leftist writer at one of their blogs announce that the Democrats should dump homosexuals. After all, aren't homosexuals something like 0-45 on statewide referenda? Didn't they respond to the most recent defeat by engaging in intolerant, gestapo tactics? Sounds to me like a group which ought to get the bum's rush. But any Democrat columnist who called for that would encounter outrage, not only from his fellow Dems, but from the media. Unlike liberal Republicans, conservative Democrats have no media protection racket to elevate them to martyr status if the party base dislikes them.

So Kathleen can casually call for Christians to be consigned to wooden crates on street corners, putting them in their place, back where they belong. But gays are to be forever pandered to, no matter how many times they get creamed at the ballot box.

Kathleen has discovered that worship of the zeitgeist brings many rewards in this present life, although its returns diminish greatly in the next one. Add in the fact that she's jealous of Sarah Palin for being smarter and more accomplished, and you've got a recipe for drama queen hysteria.

[joesbucks]

Maybe some of her hyperbole was overly cutting, but she's to a point right.

Too many on the right, if hooked to a polygraph and asked the question if they really wanted a theocracy would test positive.

[chad_in_georgia]

Very well done.

[musicalee]

It amazes me that the leaders of our party do not seem to understand the basic fact that we are a coalition. We need the fiscal conservatives of which I am one. we also need the social conservatives (Christians), of which I am also one. Either group alone will Lose(See Dole/McCain) Social conservatives provide the energy and massive votes. Fiscal conservatives provide much of the money. The real problem is we have not had a candidate that is acceptable to both camps. You can gripe all you want that the other group should give in but it is a losing battle

[TitansAFC]

Are you talking about a religious theocracy or a Libertarian theocracy?

I’d put that lie detector test to both kinds.

Question One: Would you vote for an avowed, proven, and effective Socialist if they promised to legalize all drugs, and had the power to do so?

Question Two: Would you vote for an avowed, proven, and effective Socialist if they promised to outlaw abortion, and had the power to do so?

[MeanWestTexan]

I don’t disagree.

I have not intent to change the product; merely the packaging.

[goldstategop]

Kathleen Parker is not doing conservatives any favors by turning her fire on the base rather than on the enemy. If it wasn't for social conservatives, John McCain's margin of loss would have been greater. If Sarah Palin wasn't on the ticket, I would have stayed home this year. I said I was never going to vote for him. That was the only thing that changed my mind and that of a lot of other folks and I don't liked being dumped this morning for my loyalty to the party and conservatism. If the GOP doesn't appreciate me, they won't have my vote. And they will go the way of the Whigs.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[delphirogatio]

Aye...and all of that attention helps fill the void.

Seems she wants people to tell her she is correct regardless of how boorishly she behaves. Being a bore at a cocktail party is kind of expected. Spending hundreds of words in an intentionally tone-deaf, blindingly doltish column is being boorish.

Bless her poor little pea-pickin’heart.

[Candor7]

Its about what Jonah Goldberg is saying.

Few of us really know the context in which Jonah is venting, I have rarely seen him disintegrate to this extent. LOL.

I put his book reference in up thread: Liberal Fascism.

That is the context in which we all should be moving.Our unifying values are far mor important than any given religiouos group inside the Republican party.The cost of us losing our battle with the Dems simply means a fascist America, and most of us don't even know it, ....yet.

Conservatives stayed home in Germany in the 1920s and 1930s. And look what they got. We need not make that mistake.

[trisham]

Thank you, Jonah. It’s about time that someone responded to Parker’s nonsense.

[redk]

“Parker suffers from attention deficit syndrome. She'd sell her soul for attention.”

Yes she loved the attention from the one stupid column asking Palin to step down and now she is addicted to it.

She is a total idiot for playing this game. The right hates her and while the left is amused by her backstabbing us they will always go back to people who are actual Democrats. In the end nobody will actually find her appealing.

Wow sounds a lot like a guy we just nominated for the highest office in the land.

[geologist]

The part that I have not clearly understood is ... there are many Christians in the southern half of America that are Christians; and raised life long to be Democrats, (the ole Republicans are for the rich: and Democrats are for the working man) syndrome).

Yet, they are STILL VOTING Democratic knowing all about abortion, late term abortion, stem research wanting to use baby stem cells, etc., growth of homosexual agenda, marriage definition, legislating from the bench(judges changing our Constitution) etc.

How can they in good conscience STILL vote Democratic?
there is a schism between what they believe and how they vote.

A real contradiction is what I see.

[NinoFan]

I think Jonah realizes that calling the religious right an “element that used to be relegated to wooden crates on street corners” is pretty inexcusable bigotry, no matter the justification for it. You’re not going to convince anyone to unify with rhetoric like that.

[Antoninus]

*Click*

Katty Parker is on permanent ignore.

[Theophilus]

Big Tent = clowns, freaks and fresh manure.

Heh!

[JSDude1]

Most in middle America are God-fearing, “red neck”, good-ole people (of all races). These genuine Americans make up the bed-rock of the Republican Party (the elitists forget this at their peril).

And NO I woulnd’t mind GOD being the face of the Republican Party if it was a preacher that believed (or supported) the issues I do while in office, but I wouldn’t mind a non-preacher as the face of the Republican Party if they also believed (supported issues I believe in) while in Political office, also..!

[puroresu]

The closest thing we have in our society to a theocracy is this obsession with “diversity” and the demands that we show “tolerance” towards anything that diversifies us. When my workplace requires me to attend “religious right theocracy training”, as they require employees to attend diversity training, then I'll think you might be correct.

Otherwise, all this hyperbole about the religious right seeking to impose a theocracy is just so much nonsense. All they want is to return to the laws that governed America from its founding until the courts started overthrowing them circa the 1960s & 70s. Were we a theocracy up until then? I think not.

The religious right has never advocated anything as chilling as hate speech codes or diversity training. Nor have they ever rioted after losing a referendum and engaged in open gestapo tactics against their foes.

[VeniVidiVici]

They’ve painted the whole Party with that brush and made it hard for voteres to get by that image.

Really? When? Doesn't seem to have been a problem till, oh, 2008?

The problem, has already been stated, is that the MSM and the Democrats portray us all as bible-thumpers. However, the solution proposed by you and others is to aquiesce and acknowledge that we are and "need to do better" rather than call them out on their lies.

Too often we capitulate no matter how BS the charges and quite frankly I'm tired of it.

Republicans didn't win for two reasons:

1. We ran as Democrats
2. Democrats ran as Republicans