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Chasm dividing Americans over birth certificate widens
WND ^ | November 28, 2008

Posted on 11/28/2008 9:00:33 PM PST by ckilmer

The chasm between those who want President-elect Barack Obama to produce his birth certificate to verify his eligibility to hold the nation's highest office and those who simply support the Democrat is widening.

"The Constitution means what we today decide it means," opined one participant on a new WND forum that offers readers an opportunity to express their opinion on the birth certificate dispute.

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1 posted on 11/28/2008 9:00:33 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer

LOL!


2 posted on 11/28/2008 9:04:18 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body. -C.S. Lewis)
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To: ckilmer
Meanwhile, as many as 110,000 have signed WND's petition seeking full disclosure of Obama's information.

The petition cites the U.S. Constitution's requirement that no one can be sworn into office as president without being a natural born citizen. It also asserts there are questions about Obama's reported Hawaii birth, that the Democrat has refused repeated calls to document his birth, that activist judges have declined to require him to shed light on the issue and that Hawaii – at the time of Obama's birth – allowed parents whose children were born in other locations to registered the birth there.

(Story continues below)

WND's petition is available online, and more information is available at this link.

It calls on all controlling legal authorities to take seriously the matter of where and when and to whom Obama was born and whether he qualifies as a "natural-born American citizen," according to Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution.

To participate, sign the petition here.


3 posted on 11/28/2008 9:05:21 PM PST by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: ckilmer

“President-elect” Acorn may be an illegal immigrant.


4 posted on 11/28/2008 9:06:53 PM PST by abenaki
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To: ckilmer
"The Constitution means what we today decide it means," opined one participant...

That silly old "Constitution"...it's just an old piece of paper written by some dead white guys, anyway!

5 posted on 11/28/2008 9:08:02 PM PST by Constitution Day (Big Brotha Is Watching You)
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To: ckilmer
"The Constitution means what we today decide it means," opined one participant

Obviously well taught by the 9th Circus and the SCOTUS.

6 posted on 11/28/2008 9:12:05 PM PST by lightman (BHO: I'd rather defy than deify.)
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To: ckilmer

Laws?

We don’t need no stinking laws.


7 posted on 11/28/2008 9:13:39 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: ckilmer

Why the debate?

SHOW the birth certificate.


8 posted on 11/28/2008 9:14:13 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: ckilmer
You can sign all the petitions you want. Nothing will be done about this. And that is a damn shame.

Bart.

9 posted on 11/28/2008 9:18:31 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: ckilmer

Isn’t there a way to get this to a judge that would be favorable to furthering the issue?


10 posted on 11/28/2008 9:19:42 PM PST by The Worthless Miracle (I will not gird my loins for Joe Biden.)
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To: nmh
"SHOW the birth certificate."

That should be a requirement. Won't happen however.

I fear for the republic.

Bart.

11 posted on 11/28/2008 9:22:06 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: ckilmer
Unless he produces the required documents he should always be known here as the:

“ALLEGED PRESIDENT”

Alleged (adj)

“Questionably true or of a specified kind : supposed , so-called

SYNONYMS: Unproven, supposed, suspected, so-called, assumed, apparent, purported.

12 posted on 11/28/2008 9:24:10 PM PST by jokyfo (America: The Light of the Free World)
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To: ckilmer
Meanwhile, as many as 110,000 have signed WND's petition seeking full disclosure of Obama's information.

Making it easy for Obamalamadingdong to find and weed out his political enemies.

Like anybody posting on this forum.

Well, you'll know what happened to me, if I suddenly stop pos

13 posted on 11/28/2008 9:25:01 PM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: The Worthless Miracle
"Isn’t there a way to get this to a judge that would be favorable to furthering the issue?"

My guess is there isn't one who has the guts. And even if there were he would be overturned by another court.

Freedom doesn't die with thunderous applause. It dies with a whimper.

14 posted on 11/28/2008 9:28:20 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: The Worthless Miracle

I’d hold out hope though maybe the pessimists are correct.

This is something that I’d find hard to envision that so much of the country would just throw their hands up and say “big deal” or “we can’t do anything about it.”

It’s a sorry episode alright.


15 posted on 11/28/2008 9:32:17 PM PST by RGPII
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To: mountn man
"Making it easy for Obamalamadingdong to find and weed out his political enemies."

When all is said and done the guy is a puss. I'm too pissed off and old to care.

16 posted on 11/28/2008 9:33:03 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: blackbart.223

Just because you think it’s impossible to win this, doesn’t mean you are right.
Look how long it took until Bill Clinton was forced to face his accusers. And Clinton was impeached.
Look how long it took for Watergate to catch up with Nixon.
And Nixon resigned.

WE CAN NEVER GIVE UP!!!


17 posted on 11/28/2008 9:33:15 PM PST by CaraM (Faithless is he who quits when the road darkens.)
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To: jokyfo

I have had to show my birth certificate many times - most recently to secure employment, register to vote, and to apply for GOVERNMENT EMPLOYMENT. Acorn should have to do the same, if there is any doubt about his “natural-born” status. If this legal question is not settled in time, the Electoral College could make Hillary, or any one else, the President. Wouldn’t that be a screamer?!


18 posted on 11/28/2008 9:33:44 PM PST by abenaki
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To: ckilmer

Already there’s been articles about the gold mine for lawyers. To wit, all acts by President Obama that adversely affect anyone could be challenged in court.


19 posted on 11/28/2008 9:36:38 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: blackbart.223
You can sign all the petitions you want. Nothing will be done about this.

Maybe not by our government, but something will be done. Count on it.

20 posted on 11/28/2008 9:37:33 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: ckilmer
America's first Kenyan President. A truly "historical" event.

SARC/OFF

21 posted on 11/28/2008 9:38:40 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (For more information on America's "new direction" read The Road to Serfdom. by Friedrich A. Hayek.)
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To: CaraM
"Look how long it took until Bill Clinton was forced to face his accusers."

He he made his two terms in spite of that. Now most of his minions including Hillary are in Obama's cabinet. Until the sheep wake up we are screwed.

22 posted on 11/28/2008 9:39:05 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: ckilmer

Main Entry: fraud

Part of Speech: noun

Definition: person who is false, deceitful
Synonyms: bastard, bluffer, charlatan, cheat, counterfeit, crook, deceiver, double-dealer, fake, forger, four-flusher, hoaxer, horse trader, impostor, mechanic*, mountebank, phony, play actor, pretender, quack*, racketeer, sham*, shark*, swindler

Roget’s 21st Century Thesaurus, Third Edition


23 posted on 11/28/2008 9:39:43 PM PST by jonrick46
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To: blackbart.223
That should be a requirement. Won't happen however. I fear for the republic.

That's your second downer post to the thread. You just feeling bad about this, or are you trying to bring us all down?

24 posted on 11/28/2008 9:40:19 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: ckilmer
Chasm? No, not hardly. The population of FreeRepublic is very well informed about political goings-on, but we are a tiny subset of a small minority of Americans. Almost nobody in the US has ever heard of this. Its not an issue. Its not going to be an issue. No court is going to toss out the election results for this. Pretending otherwise is just wishful thinking at best.

Its not right, but that's the way it is.

25 posted on 11/28/2008 9:41:08 PM PST by AzSteven ("War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." Jean Dutourd)
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To: blackbart.223

well I’m old too but I’ll quit caring when I draw my last breath. Too many people have died for our freedom.


26 posted on 11/28/2008 9:43:28 PM PST by luvadavi (Important old novel: The Moon Is Down, John Steinbeck, 1942)
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To: blackbart.223
My guess is there isn't one who has the guts. And even if there were he would be overturned by another court.

Freedom doesn't die with thunderous applause. It dies with a whimper.

Wow. Three for three on this thread, so far. You're a real ray of sunshine there, Bart.

Tell me... do you have any solutions to offer, or are you going to continue to tell us how everything's lost?

27 posted on 11/28/2008 9:43:51 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
"That's your second downer post to the thread. You just feeling bad about this, or are you trying to bring us all down? "

I don't want to bring anyone down. I'm just facing reality. But I will give you a brite note. Obama is Cater all over but worse. Carter only had one term because people figured out he was bumbling idiot.

Bart.

28 posted on 11/28/2008 9:45:20 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

“Already there’s been articles about the gold mine for lawyers. To wit, all acts by President Obama that adversely affect anyone could be challenged in court.”

Correct and the poster who posted the Thesaurus is as well. There will be endless litigation here and I don’t see how he can play the victim when this is such a commonly asked for document of so many people and in fact he is victimizing people. After this, if he goes into power, he can be taken to court for fraud and much more.

Maybe Obama’s economic plan to cut unemployment is to make jobs for lawyers.


29 posted on 11/28/2008 9:45:57 PM PST by RGPII
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To: RGPII
This is something that I’d find hard to envision that so much of the country would just throw their hands up and say “big deal” or “we can’t do anything about it.”

Only gonna happen if you sit there and allow the vampires to suck out your fighting spirit.

Personally, I tell them all to FOAD. It ain't over til it's over. Read into that what you will.

30 posted on 11/28/2008 9:46:38 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: blackbart.223; AzSteven

Both of you may be pessimistic, but this isn’t over. It may take a while.

And it is gaining momentum in spite of the MSM trying to squelch it, in spite of Google suppressing searches, in spite of Factcheck.org publishing a forged birth certificate, in spite of Hussein’s 800 Million.

Why don’t you go to Daily KOS and post your comments there...they will be delighted to read them.


31 posted on 11/28/2008 9:47:01 PM PST by CaraM (Faithless is he who quits when the road darkens.)
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To: RGPII
Here's the thing. Read it and weep: If Jon Stewart, Katie Couric, and Wolf Blitzer (just to throw out a few names) asked the following question in red, the whole country would be very concerned. If these folks (or ones like them) never say anything, then the tree in the forest did not fall. And that is the sad truth. Our world revolves around these schmucky interpreters of reality.

"Can we have a President of the United States who has never proven to the country that he is eligible under the qualifications of the Constitution?"

32 posted on 11/28/2008 9:48:31 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: blackbart.223
When all is said and done the guy is a puss. I'm too pissed off and old to care.

Then why don't you do us red-blooded patriots a favor and crawl off to wait for the Obot Schutzstaffel, instead of posting your morose bullshit here?

33 posted on 11/28/2008 9:50:20 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: The Worthless Miracle

Two cases are already in SCOTUS’s bailiwick (Berg and Donofrio). A third (Wrotnowski) has landed and been rejected by Justice Ginsburg, but it is being punted over to Judge Scalia.

We may have a landmark ruling before the end of the year - What constitute’s a “natural born citizen”.


34 posted on 11/28/2008 9:50:56 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!!)
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To: CaraM
"Why don’t you go to Daily KOS and post your comments there...they will be delighted to read them."

No need for insults. I wish the little turd could be exposed. I don't set my expectations to high. That prevents disappointment in most cases.

35 posted on 11/28/2008 9:52:02 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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...we are screwed.

Bart. Go read some history on the American Revolution for a while. It'll rekindle your sense of fighting spirit and hope for our future.

That's what we need right now. Not defeatism. There would never have been an America, if the colonists had succumbed to your mindset.

Do it. It'll really help you get over this.

36 posted on 11/28/2008 9:56:48 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
"Then why don't you do us red-blooded patriots a favor and crawl off to wait for the Obot Schutzstaffel, instead of posting your morose bullshit here?"

Where do you get off? I'm probably more red blooded than you. When you can't face reality and deal with it from there your head is up your backside. I hate the fact Obama ever got elected. But I won't let anyone pump sunshine up my skirt.

37 posted on 11/28/2008 9:58:10 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: The Worthless Miracle

Justice Thomas recommended the Donofrio case for conference on Dec 5 (10 days before the electoral college meets to cast its votes). Four of the 9 justices at the private conference must vote in favor of further proceedings. One assumes a quick, emergency hearing should four agree.


38 posted on 11/28/2008 9:58:25 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: jonrick46
...bastard, bluffer, charlatan, cheat, counterfeit, crook, deceiver, double-dealer, fake, forger, four-flusher, hoaxer, horse trader, impostor, mechanic*, mountebank, phony, play actor, pretender, quack*, racketeer, sham*, shark*, swindler.

Well, if you just wanted to mention Obama, why didn't you just call him by name? LOL

39 posted on 11/28/2008 9:58:51 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: ckilmer
The dumb bastards on the left don't give a rats butt about the Constitution. They don't realize it is what gives them the freedom to be stupid.

Their ignorance is going to cost us all.

40 posted on 11/28/2008 10:01:56 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Join the Constitution Party)
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To: AzSteven
Almost nobody in the US has ever heard of this. Its not an issue. Its not going to be an issue. No court is going to toss out the election results for this. Pretending otherwise is just wishful thinking at best.

Vampire!

You'll have to do better than that if you want to suck the fighting spirit out of me.

Why not just turn yourself in to the Obot SS now, and get it over with? Leave the rest of us to rally 'round the flag.

41 posted on 11/28/2008 10:04:13 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
"That's what we need right now. Not defeatism. There would never have been an America, if the colonists had succumbed to your mindset."

Quite the contrary. They faced reality and acted accordingly.

42 posted on 11/28/2008 10:04:39 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: blackbart.223
Keep watching and responding to the http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/birthcertificate/index Threads and email it to all your contacts.
43 posted on 11/28/2008 10:05:25 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Join the Constitution Party)
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To: blackbart.223

If Obama or any of his acolytes were reading your comments, he’d be emboldened. Is that what you want?? Frankly, I’ve had it up to here with appeasers. We need to start letting these people know how angry they’re making us, and if you’re not angry, you should be. Your kind of ‘lie back and enjoy’ it talk Bart is what has allowed them to get away with so much in the past. I want things to change. I don’t want the left to keep winning, and this is one issue where they will not win.


44 posted on 11/28/2008 10:08:42 PM PST by wistful
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To: blackbart.223
I don't want to bring anyone down. I'm just facing reality.

Reality? Reality is what you and I decide it is, Bart. The Founders made a choice in the face of a perceived insurmountable "reality", but look at what they accomplished.

It is our duty as Americans to uphold and defend that document that many of them gave their lives and fortunes for.

I'd rather die on my feet, than to live on my knees.

45 posted on 11/28/2008 10:08:52 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: luvadavi
well I’m old too but I’ll quit caring when I draw my last breath. Too many people have died for our freedom.

Spoken like a true patriot. Thank you.

46 posted on 11/28/2008 10:09:54 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
You should have put the whole quote up. As long as there are blithering morons out there, and there are many, it is going to be tough row to hoe. You don't win a fight until you understand the enemy. In this case it is ignorance. How do you defeat years of it?

Bart.

47 posted on 11/28/2008 10:11:08 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: Windflier

blackbart.223 is right. I understand the need for optimism but the courts have consistently thrown out these cases and I suspect they will do so again. The constitution is being ignored, the laws are being ignored, campaign finance laws are being selectively applied, election day fraud is now unremarkable. The list goes on.

This is getting bad and yeah, Obama being a Carter part deux would be good news. It could get far, far worse and too many of the little snots worshipping at their masters feet would do anything he asked.


48 posted on 11/28/2008 10:11:50 PM PST by Sharrukin
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To: AzSteven
Chasm? No, not hardly. The population of FreeRepublic is very well informed about political goings-on, but we are a tiny subset of a small minority of Americans. Almost nobody in the US has ever heard of this.

I bet not even 5% of the population has even heard of this birth certificate controversy and of that percent most dismiss it as ramblings of right wing nuts.

49 posted on 11/28/2008 10:13:29 PM PST by Doofer
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To: Doofer
I bet not even 5% of the population has even heard of this birth certificate controversy and of that percent most dismiss it as ramblings of right wing nuts.

I'd say about 2% at best.

50 posted on 11/28/2008 10:15:47 PM PST by Strategerist
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