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Obama's "natural born" problem
Renew America ^ | http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/huntwork/081212 | David Huntwork

Posted on 12/12/2008 9:18:49 PM PST by ckilmer

December 12, 2008

Obama's "natural born" problem
By David Huntwork

By now you are probably aware that there have been a multitude of lawsuits filed in regards to the question of whether or not President-elect Barack Obama is in fact eligible under the "natural born" provision of the Constitution of the United States of America to be the President of the United States (POTUS).

The Constitutional provisions are very specific when it comes to the minimal qualifications for President. One is to be over thirty-five. He is. Two, is being in the country fourteen years. He has been. Three, is to be a natural-born citizen. The latter remains unproven, a matter of contention, and appears to be increasingly unlikely to be true.

There are several variations on this theme, but the general and most often made argument is relatively simple and straightforward.

The Plaintiff in one of the filed suits put it this way.

The Obama campaign had insisted from the very beginning that Barack Obama was in fact born in the state of Hawaii which would automatically make him eligible for the highest office of the land. All US citizens are issued a birth certificate within a short time after birth. It would be very simple, and take about five minutes, for the Obama organization to put this rumor to rest and prove once and for all that this is just some wild conspiracy from the Internet rumor mill that should be mocked and ignored as simply "sour grapes" by a die hard few.

Except that Obama has steadfastly refused to release his birth certificate and has shown the willingness to spend a large amount of money on legal fees while enduring increasingly bad publicity by refusing to release it or any hospital records associated with a birth in the state of Hawaii.

One of the cases filed with the Supreme Court also raised the circumstances of Obama's time during his youth in Indonesia, where he was listed as having Indonesian citizenship. Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship at that time, raising the possibility of Obama's mother having given up his U.S. citizenship. Any subsequent U.S. citizenship then, the case claims, would be "naturalized," not "natural-born."

There have also been suspicions that Obama's college records may indicate he received aid as a foreigner, and that could be the reason why those records were never released.

The questions of his birth certificate and constitutional eligibility for POTUS have been ongoing for months. Unlike the convoluted conspiracies and "innovative" conjectures that have been leveled against various presidents including Bill Clinton and the current holder of the office, this particular allegation of constitutional ineligibility would be extremely easy to refute and the entire mess could be over in just a matter of minutes. The logical conclusion is that there has to be some sort of reason that this document (if it exists) has not been released. There is obviously something to hide here and I am not alone in my interest in what that may be.

Months ago the Obama campaign, in an attempt to "answer" this question, posted a copy of what was said to Obama's "Certification of Live Birth" on the official Obama website. The Main Stream Media and the Progressive blogosphere quickly and proudly pointed to it and proclaimed the case closed. Unfortunately, the posting of that document actually raised as many or more questions than it had supposedly answered. The computer-generated "Certification of Live Birth" is used by the state of Hawaii in lieu of the "Certificate of Live Birth," or if originally filed, a "Delayed Certificate of Birth," or even a "Certificate of Hawaiian Birth." For verification purposes, however, the "Certification of Live Birth" does not indicate which birth record "root document(s)" that the Certification is based upon.

Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child's birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence. Obama's certification of live birth doesn't list a hospital, attending physician, or any witnesses of the birth that could be tracked down and investigated. The posted document is essentially worthless as any sort of proof that Obama was born in the United States and simply put does not prove natural-born status. Yet that document is the only evidence that Barack Obama has so far produced that he is in fact eligible to be the President of the United States.

My initial hunch was that Obama was in fact not born in Kenya, but that the name on the birth certificate was not "Barack Obama" but some other, possibly "Barry" with perhaps even a different last name (his mother's?). It is also perhaps an amended birth certificate (not uncommon in cases of adoption by a step parent) listing his now legal name as "Barry Sotoero" and thus somehow a cause of embarrassment or a potential political liability. Obama's adoption in Indonesia by his stepfather Lolo Sotoero would make that a very plausible scenario.

Such speculation is obviously conjectural. But much of Obama's youth is shrouded in mystery especially in regards to his Islamic schooling, upbringing in Indonesia, drug use, and later ties to a variety of radical and questionable characters and mentors. With that in mind, perhaps an actual birth in Kenya wouldn't be all that surprising but merely the icing on the cake when it comes to the strange, twisted and contradictory tale of Barack Obama's life.

There was some whispering about Senator John McCain's own natural-born citizenship status and POTUS eligibility early on and to his credit he produced his long form birth certificate in record time putting such questions to rest very quickly. Meanwhile, many months later, we are still sifting through rumors, Supreme Court petitions, multiple lawsuits from all over the country, and articles like this one while the Obama camp continues playing "whack a mole" in regards to questions about Obama's natural-born status.

Three things have made me take an interest in this sideshow saga and made me at least somewhat increasingly open to the idea that Barack Obama may in fact have been born in Kenya. The first is that the Kenyan ambassador to the United States has openly admitted that Obama was born in Kenya.

The sound clip can be found at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH4GX3Otf14.

The second is that soon to be Secretary of Commerce and current New Mexico governor Bill Richardson is on record as stating that Obama is "an immigrant." An odd thing to say if it were not true, and an outright lie otherwise. You can view the video clip at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5OUdj_YIpo&eurl=http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83114&feature=player_embedded.

Perhaps the strongest anecdotal evidence is that Obama's own paternal grandmother has said on multiple occasions that she was there when Barack was born in Kenya. Obama's Kenyan half brother and half sister have also stated that Obama was born in Kenya. None of this anecdotal evidence is conclusive but combined with Obama's steadfast refusal to release his long form birth certificate it plants the seeds of suspicion and makes you really want to ask a simple question. What is he hiding? And why?

The real fun to be had with this story is not that Obama for any reason would be somehow decreed ineligible as the next President of the United States (it won't happen) but that there apparently is no oversight at all to the election process and a candidates eligibiliy for that office. Wouldn't it, and shouldn't it, be common sense and standard practice that some official or semi-official body like the Federal Election Commission or the respective major political parties require that all candidates for President of the United States provide proof that they meet the requirements for the office as stated in the Constitution? Is that really too much to ask?

Barack Obama has held elected office on the federal level, won his parties nomination for President, and then was elected President of the United States, all without providing proof that he is in compliance with the provisions laid down very plainly in the Constitution. One should be able to declare such a scenario as inconceivable, yet it appears to be all too true.

And for those of you who have studied history in any detail, the truth is far more often stranger than fiction. Obama may fall, and in many ways he already does, into that category. Who would have thought that an "I vote present" product of the incredibly corrupt Chicago political machine with a Leftist ideology, a Muslim stepfather, a socialistic economic policy, a radical spiritual mentor, and who is beholden to a domestic terrorist for the launching of his political career could so easily be elected to the Presidency of the United States of America? If I had pitched that scenario to you two years ago you would have called me crazy yet that is exactly the situation we find ourselves in.

I do believe this will probably not be little more than an interesting political sideshow that will end up as just another bizarre footnote in annals of history. It is somewhat disturbing though that we are apparently willing to just wave constitutional requirements for the highest office of the land whenever we see fit. One has to believe that altering and tampering with basic constitutional provisions is probably not very wise and not healthy for our form of government.

The glaring disgrace here is that Obama should have been forced to prove his eligibility for office (they all should) before the first primary election or caucus was held and that the Democratic Party failed miserably in its duty to make sure that they were offering up a legitimate and eligible candidate as their presidential nominee.

If indeed Barack Obama is constitutionally ineligible for the highest office in the land, and could theoretically be an unconstitutional president, it is not the child who dared mention that "The Emperor has no clothes!" who is being "embarrassing and destructive" by bringing this up, but the Democratic party and the electoral system as a whole which allowed an unqualified candidate with unproven, dubious credentials to be allowed to appear on the ballot in a national election.

In the worse case scenario we will have taken just another baby step towards losing our Republic and the rule of law when that dusty and irritating Constitution becomes something to just be ignored or set aside whenever it might be inconvenient, or upset some people, or just be impractical for this particular "situation."

Maybe we have reached the point where we just set aside parts of the Constitution if they are inconvenient and that might potentially be a problem for He Who Will Slow the Rising of the Seas and the fainting, ecstatic, potentially angry mob who propelled him to power. We have already journeyed a ways down the road once traveled by ancient Rome where the elites began to worry about the mood and reactions of the masses who openly threatened disorder and mayhem if they were unhappy, while those who held the reigns of power increasingly ignored the once revered rules that had held their political system together.

At the time of the publication of this article, Barack Obama still had not proved his eligibility to serve as President of the United States as defined by Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution of the United States of America. And he probably remains unable to do so.

© David Huntwork



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: artbell; birthcertificate; conspiracy; csection; goofy; kook; naturalborncitizen; newbie; obama; obamatruthfile; rubberroom; scotus; tinfoil; tinfoilhat
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To: shadowgovernment

That is an extremely good point. We are all subject to the mind-sets of our upbringing. An immigrant such as your friend would not, naturally, have the same care or concern the Framers (and Freepers) do in protecting the inviolability of our new government. Their children, on the other hand, raised by naturalized parents on U.S. soil under our government rule, more likely would.


41 posted on 12/13/2008 6:08:09 AM PST by so_real
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To: Celtman

Thank you ... that’s what I get for posting late at night :-)


42 posted on 12/13/2008 6:09:34 AM PST by so_real
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To: atlbelle44

FYI


43 posted on 12/13/2008 6:13:14 AM PST by Canedawg ("The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it")
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To: SatinDoll; MHGinTN
“natural born Citizen” is never defined, either in the U.S.Constitution, nor in other Federal statutes

Once upon a time, the concept of "natural born" fell into the realm of "common sense". It was understood without statement. Our leaders are now weak; our education system is poor; naturalization standards are not met. We are a dumbed-down society. "Common sense" felt unwelcome and has left the building ...
44 posted on 12/13/2008 6:15:38 AM PST by so_real
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To: Beckwith
It makes understanding unsubstantiated claims easy. Really “theobamafile.com” isn't a reputable source for U.S. citizenship information.

Where is the actual relevant passage that shows that a “citizen at birth” is somehow not a “natural born citizen”?

45 posted on 12/13/2008 6:57:42 AM PST by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed.... so how could it be Redistributed?)
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To: shadowgovernment
Allowing millions of these voters here legally and illegal over the years and this is what you get. The immigration issue has it's effects far and wide in what type of government we end up with..a case in point.

Bingo.

46 posted on 12/13/2008 9:13:34 AM PST by Faith
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To: Calpernia

I have three questions for you and would appreciate hearing your opinion. Actually I would like anyone to weigh in if they can answer my questions or give their opinions.

Do you think it is possible that the SC Justices will consider joining the cases together and hear them AFTER the Electoral College vote due to the fact that Obama will not actually BE “President-Elect” until AFTER the vote on Monday?

I understand that a Judge in the Washington State SC has decided to hear a case. (I hope what I heard is correct.)
Is it possible for the Washington Supreme Court Judge to issue a stay in that State’s Electoral College vote on Monday?

The Electoral College meet at each state capital to cast their votes on Monday. If one or more Electoral College members of a particular state raise the question of constitutional qualifications, does that state Electoral College group have to resolve the issue before casting their votes?


47 posted on 12/13/2008 9:16:04 AM PST by seekthetruth
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To: seekthetruth

Yo no speako legalo. But, IMO, I think it would be a very dangerous precedent to set to allow the electors meet and vote at all.

To date, we have found dead and non registered voter electors and have challenged them with no procedure in place to have these electors removed.

To date, NONE of the California electors have been certified.

If the electors are allowed to meet, this election will have a precedent in place by allowing an ineligible candidate voted in by POPULAR vote and not by a working, certified, vetted electoral college.


48 posted on 12/13/2008 10:45:50 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: SatinDoll

It is a false assertion that stumps you. Since we have—as posted—the words of the men who actually authored aspects of the Constitution, such as Bingham, we have the meaning they intended for the term ‘natural born citizen’. The negative naybobs are always playing semantic games to try and destroy hope and spread their negative perspective coloring everything they touch or address. Don’t ya know it must be hell living with such insulting little pricks (little nettles, nothing more). They must tear down hope and spit on peace in order to feel alive!


49 posted on 12/13/2008 10:56:01 AM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: shadowgovernment

“The constitution cannot overrule the vote.” In some other nation, perhaps, but here in America—at least up until the affirmative action fraud raised his wicked inger to usurp the office of presdient—the process is followed or the Constitutional Republic is no longer valid. We have a way to vote for change to the Constitution. The recent election was not that way.


50 posted on 12/13/2008 11:01:44 AM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: allmendream

You have purposely conflated ‘natural born citizen’ with merely citizen. Nice job


51 posted on 12/13/2008 11:03:02 AM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: allmendream

You have an obvious cart and horse problem. Why? ... First, the term ‘natural born citizen’ can be understood in its specifics because of the words we have from the framers of the Constitution. No, the definition was not in the Constitution. Many specific things are not in the contract, but the courts have a way to sort that out. At another level is citizenship and the vagaries thereof throughout the history of the Republic. The highest most strict definition is natural born, then comes the conflating crap you seem hung up on, like having the poor horse dragged along by the cart full of obfuscations you prefer.


52 posted on 12/13/2008 11:08:57 AM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: allmendream
Really “theobamafile.com” isn't a reputable source for U.S. citizenship information.

The Obama File is one of the most reliable sources on the Internet for Obama-related information, and isn't the source of the information in that chart. The US Constitution and federal law are the sources. All of the references are linked to the appropriate Articles and Amendments in US Constitution and related federal caselaw. The chart was constructed and provided by an attorney practicing in the federal courts system.

You're awfully cranky today. Didn't you get any last night?

The Natural Born Citizen Chart


53 posted on 12/13/2008 12:08:35 PM PST by Beckwith (Typical white person)
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To: allmendream

Yes, I know all about Title 8 — BUT — “Citizen” does not equal “natural born Citizen” and you’ve added the part about “natural born Citizen” which is a lie!

Arnold Schwarzneggar, Governor of California, is a “Citizen” under the 14th Amendment. He is ineligible to be President because he was not born here.


54 posted on 12/13/2008 3:03:13 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!!)
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To: SatinDoll
Because he was naturalized rather than natural born. Title 8 defines those that are natural born. I added nothing, it is all from usconstitution.net.
55 posted on 12/13/2008 6:39:18 PM PST by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed.... so how could it be Redistributed?)
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To: allmendream

That particular website states its opinion concerning Title 8. If what they are pushing as fact were true, 19 lawsuits and 32 states’ electors wouldn’t be preparing to hurl this country into a Constitutional crisis (Civil War?) this coming week.

If you want to read facts about what “natural born Citizen” means, see the following for the clearest explanation I’ve yet to read:

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/25/divided-loyalties-pt-1/
“Divided Loyalties, Obamals Eligibility Problem, Part 1”, by Judah Benjamin

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/25/divided-loyalties-pt-2/
“Divided Loyalties, Obama’s Eligibility Problem, Part 2”, by Judah Benjamin

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/11/
“Natural Born Citizens: Or How to Beat a Subject to Death with a Stick”, by Judah Benjamin, is a good place to start.

Good luck!


56 posted on 12/14/2008 5:02:58 AM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!!)
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To: MHGinTN

Check out the third post video, made to send to the electors tomorrow:

http://caosblog.com/


57 posted on 12/14/2008 9:08:59 AM PST by AliVeritas (Pray, Pray, Pray)
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To: Fred Nerks

Who would have thought that an “I vote present” product of the incredibly corrupt Chicago political machine with a Leftist ideology, a Muslim stepfather, a socialistic economic policy, a radical spiritual mentor, and who is beholden to a domestic terrorist for the launching of his political career could so easily be elected to the Presidency of the United States of America?
***That’s an extremely sad commentary on the completely inept campaign of McCain.


58 posted on 12/14/2008 7:29:08 PM PST by Kevmo (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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To: Kevmo
That’s an extremely sad commentary on the completely inept campaign of McCain.

I'm an Australian. Forgive me, but I believe it was deliberate. Everything I read and hear, points to that.

59 posted on 12/14/2008 8:08:13 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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