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Ammo Ban And Registration Proposal Getting Fresh Look
Right Side News Reports ^ | 12/15/08

Posted on 12/15/2008 7:29:33 AM PST by Sammy67

Happy Holidays: Now dispose of all of your ammunition! Every last round! From now on, you will be able to buy only overpriced ammunition that will be registered to you in a government database. Not yet--at least for now. A small company, Ammunition Accountability--which wants to help anti-gunners price and regulate the Second Amendment out of existence, profit at the expense of our rights, or both--has found radical anti-gun legislators in 18 states willing to introduce bills pushing such nonsense. But few anti-gun proposals are so overtly aimed at destroying the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. As we began noting on http://www.nraila.org/ in January, so-called "encoded ammunition" or "serialized ammunition" bills would require ammunition manufacturers to engrave a serial number on the base of the bullet and the inside of the cartridge casing of each round of ammunition for popular sporting caliber center-fire rifles, all center-fire pistols, all .22 rimfire rifles and pistols, and all 12 gauge shotguns. In all but one of the bills, people would be

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1 posted on 12/15/2008 7:29:33 AM PST by Sammy67
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To: Sammy67

More socialist paranoia about the Second Amendment.....


2 posted on 12/15/2008 7:35:13 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Sammy67
A small company, Ammunition Accountability--which wants to help anti-gunners price and regulate the Second Amendment out of existence, profit at the expense of our rights, or both . . . . .

Somehow, I don't see this going over too well in Texas.

3 posted on 12/15/2008 7:37:12 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Sammy67
So the new criminal gig will be trading ammunition on the way out of the store.

Scenario: Mr. X needs to be "offed". Y gives Z his ammo. Y flies to California. Mr. X is offed while he is there.

Old law: You can't be in two different places at the same time.

4 posted on 12/15/2008 7:37:59 AM PST by Sacajaweau (I'm planting corn...Have to feed my car...)
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To: Sammy67

the election needs to be declared illegal and save us from this hell hole of progress.


5 posted on 12/15/2008 7:40:12 AM PST by television is just wrong
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To: Sammy67

what is to stop people from making their own?


6 posted on 12/15/2008 7:44:19 AM PST by Cailleach
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To: Sammy67
They'll have to regulate everything else, too; you can easily store several years' supply of components in a closet.

All you need is one of these to load 500 an hour:


7 posted on 12/15/2008 7:45:46 AM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?)
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To: Sammy67
How many bullets are used in a murder case as "single conclusive evidence" that Mo shot Larry?

The DC Sniper case is a good example. The shells matched but which one actually pulled the trigger in each shooting? We'll never really know.

8 posted on 12/15/2008 7:48:23 AM PST by Sacajaweau (I'm planting corn...Have to feed my car...)
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To: Sacajaweau
The shells matched but which one actually pulled the trigger in each shooting?

Won't matter, they'll throw us all in

9 posted on 12/15/2008 7:54:08 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Sho me da BC...mo)
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To: Sammy67

Oh boy, Oh boy, something to replace Prohibition. “I thought that I was out but now they are going to pull me back in”.

D.C.


10 posted on 12/15/2008 7:54:36 AM PST by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: Sammy67

Implement it on NY and I will go to a state where there is no registration.... Or start loading my own...


11 posted on 12/15/2008 7:55:36 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Democrats: the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy and Sedition)
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To: Sammy67

There will be limits on possession. Unstamped ammo will be illegal to possess with criminal penalty. Per bullet taxes will be imposed to pay for the government directory and registration of ammo. Only ammo can be purchased and possessed for each registered firearm. The list of states and the proposed laws are documented on the Gun Owners of America website.

People, these proposed laws are dangerous. They were tried last year, and maybe the year before. Language on every state bill is almost identical. This is a national effort to undermine the 2nd Amendment.

The people behind this effort are commies.


12 posted on 12/15/2008 7:55:37 AM PST by o_zarkman44 (Since when is paying more, but getting less, considered Patriotic?)
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To: Sacajaweau

But obviously Y knows something, ‘cuz it’s his name on the paperwork. When Y says “I know nothing about it”, investigators won’t just throw up their hands and say “OK, unsolvable mystery, case closed for lack of evidence.”

I don’t understand why people think “oh, just swap it” and “lost ‘em in a tragic boating accident” and other popular 10-second lines of thought would outwit teams of professional big-budget forensic investigators.


13 posted on 12/15/2008 8:06:31 AM PST by ctdonath2 (I AM JOE THE PLUMBER!)
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To: o_zarkman44
The people behind this effort are commies.

The people behind this are the Venture Capitalists in Washington State who funded the guys that have the patent on ammunition encoding

14 posted on 12/15/2008 8:10:38 AM PST by atomic_dog
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To: o_zarkman44
There will be limits on possession. Unstamped ammo will be illegal to possess with criminal penalty.

Right, and then everyone who (was) law abiding will say screw it and ignore every gun law instead of just that one in particular.

I can just imagine the proliferation of sawed off shotguns and home converted automatic weapons.

Speaking of which, how the hell will they stamp shotgun rounds??

15 posted on 12/15/2008 8:11:06 AM PST by Centurion2000 (To protect and defend ... against all enemies, foreign and domestic .... by any means necessary.)
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To: EagleUSA
Could somebody please explain the sudden urgency to eliminate our second amendment rights? I realize that the underlying reason is for the Socialists to attain even more power. But what is the stated justification for this? A few shootings here and there? Make them explain WHY they are trampling on a fundamental part of the Constitution? Make them explain WHY they are trampling on a fundamental part of the Constitution?
16 posted on 12/15/2008 8:16:57 AM PST by Girdyourloins (Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy Thomas J. [Stonewall] Jackson)
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To: Centurion2000

Additionally, bullets entering a human body tend to fragment, so stamping a serial number on them would be useless most of the time. (except in the well-known case of the “magic bullet” that killed JFK. went through 2 bodies and a car seat.)


17 posted on 12/15/2008 8:25:57 AM PST by Jackson57
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To: Girdyourloins
Make them explain WHY they are trampling on a fundamental part of the Constitution?

Okay. You first.

18 posted on 12/15/2008 8:26:58 AM PST by Misterioso ( Socialism is an ideology. Capitalism is a natural phenomenon.)
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To: Girdyourloins

Silly, because they CAN.


19 posted on 12/15/2008 8:27:04 AM PST by wastoute
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To: atomic_dog

Commies have money to invest in causes they support also.
Perhaps even more money than capitalists because they seize assets for the good of the cause.

A good commie can disguise themself as a capitalist. Deception is a big part of the take over process.

EG Soros.


20 posted on 12/15/2008 8:52:34 AM PST by o_zarkman44 (Since when is paying more, but getting less, considered Patriotic?)
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To: Girdyourloins

They cannot initiate the Obamstitution without cancelling the resistance clauses of the Constitution.

The urgency is securing ultimate power over the people with a monarchy of elitists.


21 posted on 12/15/2008 8:55:35 AM PST by o_zarkman44 (Since when is paying more, but getting less, considered Patriotic?)
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To: Sammy67

These jack-booted government thugs won’t like my method of ammunition disposal.


22 posted on 12/15/2008 8:55:46 AM PST by dainbramaged (the Tree of Liberty needs watering)
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To: Girdyourloins

Why? Because they’re going to push for Maoist/Mussolini/NAZI/USSR/Castro style fascism. They’re going to kill the dissenters (that being us) en masse, as fascists always do, and they need us disarmed to facilitate the process. That’s why the sudden urgency. History people, history.


23 posted on 12/15/2008 9:09:36 AM PST by Trod Upon (The Left killed my country.)
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To: o_zarkman44
Define “keep and bear arms”.

I think our understanding of “Arms”, common as well as legal, includes not only the bullet launcher itself, but all the requisite commodities to actually “use” the arm.

Ammunition, components to reload, tools to do so, accessories all may well fall into the definition of “keeping and bearing arms”. Not all in government eschew the idea the the 2A in fact, is the peoples recourse to tyranny-as well as insurance against foreign invasion; those that can and do read the founding documents, and desire to uphold it.

I think the SCOTUS would agree. Of course, given a farther left lean, the SCOTUS could even declare the USCONS “unconstitutional”.

God Bless & MOLON LABE.

24 posted on 12/15/2008 9:22:04 AM PST by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret) "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: Misterioso

Has there been a sudden increase in crime? Or shootings?

Have these idiotic gun control schemes ever worked?

Have any crimes ever been solved by these methods?

Do they really think we’re going to fall for the BS that it will stop criminals from using guns?

Newsflash, they can’t seem to stop illegals and drugs from crossing the border – so how are they going to stop the criminal element from importing ammunition?

As with every one of these idiotic schemes the Social-Fascist Dimicrats Belch out, it will disarm the law abiding and empower the lawless – both in and out of the government.


25 posted on 12/15/2008 9:30:37 AM PST by Girdyourloins (Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy Thomas J. [Stonewall] Jackson)
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To: Cailleach

Possession of unmarked ammo will be punishable.


26 posted on 12/15/2008 9:34:25 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: Sammy67

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2148907/posts

Already posted, please search the title.


27 posted on 12/15/2008 9:59:28 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Guns don't kill people. Criminals and the governments that create them kill people.)
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To: Beelzebubba

Good luck with that. SCOTUS get ready for a million lawsuits. When you take that and into the mix bama’s Civilian Security Force you can see where this headed. In every coup the first thing they do is get the guns and ammo so people can’t rise up against tyranny. DO NOT fall for it, DO NOT go along with it.


28 posted on 12/15/2008 10:32:04 AM PST by KellyM37
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To: dainbramaged

Out the front end...


29 posted on 12/15/2008 10:49:15 AM PST by Edgerunner (Second Amendment Spoken Here)
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To: Redbob

A lot of the proposals I have read regarding this stuff includes the banning of reloading gear.


30 posted on 12/15/2008 10:59:12 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: Redbob

Exactly what a couple of friends and I are discussing this past weekend.

As a direct result of that conversation, a road trip to the West Virginia Cabela’s is planned for this Wednesday.


31 posted on 12/15/2008 11:03:29 AM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: Girdyourloins

Make them explain WHY they are trampling on a fundamental part of the Constitution?
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You basically answered your own question. They want to neutralize the Second Amendment for the EXACT REASON it was included in the Bill of Rights. The right to armed protection of the citizens from a corrupt-oppressive government.

That is all they are worried about. They KNOW that criminals do not obey laws (they look in the mirror). They know their only defense is to disarm the LAW ABIDING citizen is necessary for their radical socialist agenda.

Review the rise of Hitler in Germany. See what he did to neutralize the threat of Germany’s people being armed -— and look at the huge mistake that countries he overran, made BEFORE he just walked in a took over their lives.....

History does try and repeat itself.


32 posted on 12/15/2008 11:10:24 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Sammy67
Beat the rush. Buy now and buy plenty. Ammo will keep. It is not like eggs. It won't go bad in 10 days. Buy it, store it in cool, dry place. Here is what I found posted on the web for storage:

There has been much debate on what is the best way for long term storage of ammo, and while I cant say its wrong to place your ammo in a bucket and suck out all the air and replace it with nitrogen I can say it is a waste of valuable resources. O.K. if you plan being cryogenically frozen for hundreds of years then maybe. The rest of us just need to know what is the best way to properly store ammo so that it doesn’t degrade over a period of time and that it functions as designed when put into use. Now I need to give you some background on how and for what condition ammo is built. Military cartridges are designed so that they can withstand storage temperatures from minus 65 degrees F. to 122 F. So as long as you don’t keep them in a oven your fine. There made for soldiers to use in battlefield conditions under the most horrible conditions conceivable and still function. The manufactures (OLIN, Winchester, Remington Etc.) know this and they also know they will lose a big fat Govt contract if they don’t pass this criteria. Here is one for you, the same folks that make 5.56mm make the exact same cartridge and call it a 223 change the label and sell it civilian. Same with 308 (7.62 NATO). So now you know that there is hardly any difference between civilian and military ammunition manufacturing. Lets get down to storage.

Shelf life refers to how long an item can remain in storage and still be functional. Well all military small arms have an indefinite shelf life. This means as long as it is properly stored it will never go bad.

Service life refers to how long a item can remain in a operating configuration and still be functional. Small arms should be good from anywhere from 6 months to 18 months before you need inspect it. If the ammo has some corrosion on it take some copper wool or steel wool and take it off then its good to go unless it is to the stage of pitting then get rid of it. Now most ammo comes in a wooden outer container with metal inner packs that holds the ammo. We store it on at least two inches of dunnage to keep off the floor. It is inspected every five years and then only ten percent is checked for defects and then thrown back into storage for another 5 yrs. (if nothing is wrong). So now what can you do as a civilian to store your ammo? Your number one enemy is moisture, as long as you have a waterproof container you are fine. I use empty 20mm ammunition containers that you can get from any surplus store although PVC pipe will do. Try and keep the cartridges in the original packing and try and keep away from metal to metal contact. To ensure that the ammo has no moisture I throw in a couple of dehumidifier packages. This is strictly optional as we don’t even do that in the military. Whether its military ammo you got at a gun show or 22 shells from K-mart its all the same. Before you store it make sure its clean, dry( and wiped off if you touched it) and that’s it! Wow almost too simple. You don’t need to vacuum seal it, and you don’t need to store it at any particular temperature just keep it dry and out of the elements and leave it alone. I have been working with munitions for over 11 years, and this is what they have trained me. I hope this sheds some understanding on storage.

33 posted on 12/15/2008 11:19:29 AM PST by RetiredArmy (My home is protected by the 2d Amendment!! Locked and loaded.)
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To: RetiredArmy
Here is one for you, the same folks that make 5.56mm make the exact same cartridge and call it a 223 change the label and sell it civilian

Not quite true. That's a good way to get sued out of existence. 5.56 chambered rifles can shoot a .223, it's true. However a .223 chambered rifle is not designed to withstand that higher chamber pressures of a 5.56 and older or poorly designed .223 rifles could literally blow up in your face if you shoot a 5.56 through it.

34 posted on 12/15/2008 11:39:14 AM PST by Malsua
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To: Malsua

I said I got it off the web from an ammo chat site. I did not say that I said it. Go tell him.


35 posted on 12/15/2008 11:41:20 AM PST by RetiredArmy (Great patriotic stuff at www.patriotstore.us.)
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To: RetiredArmy

Bloat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[With Cash, of course]


36 posted on 12/15/2008 11:47:19 AM PST by Girdyourloins (Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy Thomas J. [Stonewall] Jackson)
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To: Sammy67

bttt


37 posted on 12/15/2008 12:52:02 PM PST by SuperLuminal
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To: Girdyourloins

Quite simply once Obama takes away your guns you will be completely defenseless from his ‘civilian army’. Think of Hitler vs those who he put in concentration and death camps and I think you’ll get the idea.


38 posted on 12/15/2008 2:21:47 PM PST by techno
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To: Jackson57

It depends on the bullet speed and jacket thickness.


39 posted on 12/15/2008 3:46:33 PM PST by omega4179 ( Those who can't write, write the news)
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To: Malsua

Show me pics of any .223 rifle that blew up because of 5.56 not caused by a squib load in the barrel.


40 posted on 12/15/2008 3:48:14 PM PST by omega4179 ( Those who can't write, write the news)
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To: Badeye

You might want to call ahead and check the in-store inventory before you burn off a tank of gas.


41 posted on 12/15/2008 3:52:18 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: ctdonath2

ctdonath2 wrote: I don’t understand why people think “oh, just swap it” and “lost ‘em in a tragic boating accident” and other popular 10-second lines of thought would outwit teams of professional big-budget forensic investigators

WTF??? let them prove otherwise ah. So where are the funds going to come from for your “teams of professional big-budget forensic investigators” to go to about 80 million homes of gun owners and tear their homes and yards apart looking for ammon. GET FING REAL!! The only ones that will get them taken away are the pansy asses that willingly turr them in and I won’t be one of them.


42 posted on 12/15/2008 6:18:30 PM PST by KellyM37
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To: techno


To: Girdyourloins
Quite simply once Obama takes away your guns you will be completely defenseless from his ‘civilian army’. Think of Hitler vs those who he put in concentration and death camps and I think you’ll get the idea.

AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHY EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY GUN ONWER MUST FIGHT THIS VIGOROUSLY AND NOT GIVE IN.


43 posted on 12/15/2008 6:23:24 PM PST by KellyM37
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To: Girdyourloins

Whether we realize it or not, the election was a coup d’état by the socialists/communists. Hitler said it best:

“The most foolish mistake we would possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let’s not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country.” —Adolf Hitler, dinner talk on April 11, 1942, quoted in Hitler’s Table Talk 1941-44: His Private Conversations, Second Edition (1973), Pg. 425-426. Translated by Norman Cameron and R. H. Stevens. Introduced and with a new preface by H. R. Trevor-Roper. The original German papers were known as Bormann-Vermerke.


44 posted on 12/15/2008 7:32:57 PM PST by A. Patriot (CZ 52's ROCK)
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To: DuncanWaring

Its a ‘guy road trip’. Even if they don’t have loading equipment, we’re takin to the highway on an ‘adventure’.

When your 50, such qualifies as ‘adventure’ come to think of it....(chuckle)

btw, I’m driving an H2, I’ll never see gasoline as low as it is right this minute. Our last road trip was to see the Cubs play in Wrigley last summer.

Gas was 4.10 a gallon.

Right now, here in Ohio, its around 1.79.

Gotta go while those prices exist.


45 posted on 12/16/2008 5:48:11 AM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: Badeye

In that case, you might also consider a run to Camp Perry, and from there it’s not far to the Cabela’s outside of Detroit.


46 posted on 12/16/2008 5:58:05 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: KellyM37
WTF??? let them prove otherwise

"Your terms are acceptable." Dude, that's their JOB. It's what they're paid to do.

Whether they'll do it on a vast scale is a separate issue. My point is that "oh, I lost it in a tragic boating accident / sold it to a complete stranger without papers / some other lame excuse" won't hinder the police, they'll see it as a red flag of guilt.

47 posted on 12/16/2008 7:39:38 AM PST by ctdonath2 (I AM JOE THE PLUMBER!)
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To: Cailleach

The Federal camera’s installed in our houses?


48 posted on 12/16/2008 8:05:58 AM PST by Osage Orange (Congress would steal the nickels off a dead man's eye's...............)
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To: DuncanWaring

Appreciate the suggestion. We’re heading to the Cabella’s in Wheeling WV.


49 posted on 12/16/2008 8:11:31 AM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: Badeye
...WV...

I understood that ... but if it doesn't work out, remember the CMP store at Camp Perry, and then there's a Cabela's outside Detroit and another over in NW Indiana...

50 posted on 12/16/2008 9:59:54 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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