Skip to comments.Understanding Hollister v Soetoro a/k/a Obama, Biden
Posted on 01/31/2009 8:09:07 PM PST by SvenMagnussen
Hollister v. Soetoro a/k/a Obama in his capacity as a natural person; in his capacity as de facto President in posse; and in his capacity as de jure President in posse and Biden. Soetoro and Biden have moved to dismiss. A complaint for Interpleader and Declartory and Injunctive Relief through counsel Philip J. Berg, Esq. and Lawrence J. Joyce, Esq.
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An Interpleader proceeding is an action of equity and not a claim of injury seeking relief and recovery. It's true. Plaintiff (Hollister) doesn't have a claim against Defendents (Soetoro and Biden). Plaintiff has an asset (Individual Ready Reserve) and is asking the Court to determine the proper person to deliver the asset to under certain conditions.
Plaintiff asserts in his complaint property does not have to be tangible and cites several cases to support this assertion [Plaintiff cites Carpenter v. United States, 484 U.S. 19, 25-27, 108 S.Ct. 316, 320-321, 98 L.Ed.2d 275, 283-284 (1987). First Victoria National Bank v. United States, 620 F.2d 1096, 1106-1107 (5th Cir. 1980) (rice history acreage, like good will of a business, is property); Matter of Nichols, 4 B.R. 711, 717 (E.D. Mich. 1980) (citing Blacks Law Dictionary at 1095 for proposition that property encompasses all things corporeal or incorporeal, tangible or intangible, visible or invisible ).]. Defendant answers with an assertion Plaintiff's allegations are false and baseless.
Plaintiff (Hollister) brought this Interpleader action under 28 U.S.C.A. § 1335. The dispute may involve as little as $500, Defendants (Soetoro a/k/a Obama and Biden) must be from different states. The venue, or place of trial, is anywhere that Defendants (Soetoro a/k/a/Obama and Biden) reside.
Interpleader is designed to eliminate multiple lawsuits over the same stake and to protect the Plaintiff (Hollister) from actual or potential multiple liability. Plaintiff (Hollister) asserts he faces the possibility of a conflict in his duties and multiple claims against him for the performance of these duties and cites Dunbar v. United States, 502 F.2d 506 (5th Cir. 1974) as evidence an Interpleader action can be brought against Defendants (Soetoro a/k/a Obama and Biden) even though no claim has been made.
Plaintiff (Hollister) states he has a real, reasonable, bona fide fear of exposure to multiple claims or the hazards and vexation of conflicting claims and that is sufficient for an Interpleader. See American Fidelity Fire Insurance Co. v. Construcciones Werl, Inc., 407 F. Supp. 164 (D. Virgin Islands 1975). See also, Underwriters at Lloyds v. Nichols, 363 F.2d 357 (8th Cir. 1966) (in such circumstances, court has a duty to allow Interpleader).
Finally, Plaintiff (Hollister) asserts ordinary processes of law aren not available to the Plaintiff for a resolution of these conflicts upon reactivation. Congress has by statute precluded members of the Armed Forces from having access to the Article III Courts until and unless they have first disobeyed an order and have been court-martialed for having done so.
Berg has his Court filings in PDF form at http://www.obamacrimes.com
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A little translation?
I have a legal “bent” and have spent a goodly amount of time with Westlaw but this one is too much for me.
I have a question. When 0bama was adopted by Soetoro, did his name legally change to “Soetoro”? If so, did he ever subsequently legally change it back to “0bama”?
>A little translation?
>I have a legal bent and have spent a goodly amount of time with Westlaw but this one is too much for me.
I’m not entirely sure, but it’s my [un]educated guess that the plaintiff has IRR duties, and is therefore seeking to clear-up issues with the legitimacy of the Commander in Chief... at least that’s what it sounds like to me.
I have a legal bent also and this strikes me as very poorly pleaded.
You could ask him, but you would have to prove "standing" first. So far, nobody has been able to and The Big O has not seen fit to release most of his personal papers or information.
It sounds that way to me, as well. Good luck to him!
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Does anyone have an approximate dollar figure in what Hussein has spent so far on legal teams to keep his COLB from being viewed?
I do not understand leagalese at all. How can Obama & Biden dismiss a case agains Obama?
Who knows, I sure don’t. How does the annointed one get away with any of the crap he pulls.
I have a question. When 0bama was adopted by Soetoro, did his name legally change to Soetoro?
Yes, his name listed on his Indonesian school records is Barry Soetoro, his nationality Indonesian, his religion Islam.
Name: Barry Soetoro
place of birth: Honolulu
Citizenship: Indonesia (One couldn't at that time attend this school without being a citizen of Indonesia and there was no duel citizenship.)
Religion (agana) : Islam
Name of father: Lolo Soetoro
name of mother: not listed
There was no duel citizenship -
By the way, this photo is of a 34 year old man - who is it? I am serious -
Well his high school yearbook lists him as Barry Obamba. I haven’t seen anything that shows his name as Soetoro except for the Indonesian school form.
I think it’s that guy in Indonisia that is an Obama look a like and he cashes in on that. I read or saw something about him not too long ago. Probably another lost brother.
cousins often look more alike than siblings - it would be interesting to track this man's family to see if there's a connection to Soetoro =
Now what are the odds of a ‘twin’ turning up, of all the possible places on earth, in the very country, indeed, the very city, that Barry lived with his ‘step father?
The question begs: Do we have our first black president or our first Indonesian president? And will the truth be buried for 50 years ‘for the good of the country’?
Type http://www.obamacrimes.com into the address section of your address bar. Press enter or return on your keyboard. Look for the link that says Court Filings.
Soetoro a/k/a/ Obama and Biden have asked the Court to dismiss this case because Hollister’s “allegations are false and baseless.”
In an Interpleader case, a Plaintiff holds an asset and believes in good faith they will have to distribute the asset to a claimant in the future.
Hollister is asking the Court to examine evidence and hear witnesses and determine who the rightful person is to receive the asset he now possesses. Assets in Interpleaders cases to not have to be tangible property. “Good Will” is cited as an example in the filing.
Simply releasing certified documents could have cleared this up months ago.
We have a fraudulent pretender living in the White House.
There is no other reasonable explanation for his continued refusal to produce a valid birth certificate.
If that is what this case says, I think it's a good idea. Technically, since noon on January 20th, everything the military has done, all orders followed, are from Soetoro/Obama. If he is not a lawful president, then the military has acted illegally (is that right?). What a can of worms that could open!
It’s important to understand that Hollister is not claiming injury due to fraud or misrepresentation. Also, Hollister is not seeking compensation or recovery of funds due to fraud or misrepresentation.
Hollister is asking the Court to hear witnesses and examine the evidence to determine who is the rightful person to receive the asset he now holds. His asset is his duty to sacrifice liberty if recalled by order of the Commander in Chief.
As pointed out in the filing, the Court has held assets in Interpleader cases can be intangible assets with a minimum value of $500 or more.
Who is it?
He has released a valid birth certificate.
And if he WERE born in Honolulu but his real father is not the coal black, round headed Kenyan that he looks nothing like, but is his Indonesian "step" father, whom he does resemble - not to mention the Indonesian man in Jakarta, the VERY city he lived and went to school in when under the name Barry Soetoro?
Is the refusal to show his BC to cover up his true heritage, not where he was born?
it would be even more alike compared to a photo of 'Barry' at the same age 34...
Wonder why little barry's mom married Soetoro, an Indonesian, and moved with him to Jakarta?
wonder wonder wonder. Sometimes the eye can see more than the brain...
As Someone on the net wrote:
"A friend of mine theorizes that Barry is really half Indonesian and half white.
Obama Sr was a willing beard or duped into thinking Barry was his. [willing, maybe, because it would be helpful to have an "American" child?]
The real father was Lolo or another Indonesian foreign student from the U of Hawaii. [After her divorce, Dunham married Indonesian student Lolo Soetoro, who was attending college in Hawaii.]
The mother seemed to be all about Indonesia and Pakistan her whole life.
Once Barry left Hawaii ( after finding his original birth certificate-pg 26, Dreams from My Father ), his friends, roommates and travel destinations were not African based, but, Indonesian and Pakistani based. This picture validates that his theory is entirely plausible. " [he recalls: Of his early childhood, "That my father looked nothing like the people around me that he was black as pitch
Obama's mother returned to Hawaii in 1972 for five years, and then in 1977 went back to Indonesia, where she worked as an anthropological field worker. She stayed there most of the rest of her life, wikipedia]
young barry with his granparents
and his younger Indonesian lookalike
See post 18 and 26
He released a document verifying his eligibility only on the internet. Has anyone responsible for verifying his eligibility ever seen the actual document?
The document he posted on the internet is suspected to be a forgery. What has Obama (Mr transparency) done to show that it is not a forgery?
Pay mlo no mind, he/she is a fraud on this issue and probably gets paid to defend his master.
A badly hacked copy of a questionable Certificate of Live Birth from Hawaii has ben posted on the internet.
A few dollars and weeks will get a state issued and stamped,verifiable birth certificate copy from most any place in the U.S.,even from "backwards" Kentucky .
Barack Hussein Obama is a con man,a huckster, a fraud perpetrated on the Presidency of these United States.
That's not the way it works. The evidence would be produced if a case was ever heard. Since they have not been, it is not produced.
"A badly hacked copy of a questionable Certificate of Live Birth from Hawaii has ben posted on the internet."
There is nothing "badly hacked" about it.
"A few dollars and weeks will get a state issued and stamped,verifiable birth certificate copy from most any place in the U.S.,even from "backwards" Kentucky."
And if you ask Hawaii to do that, what you get is precisely the document that was scanned and posted on the internet.
All this birther stuff is made up arguments with made up facts. It's a myth. The reality is Obama was born in Honolulu and he won the election because the economy sucked. In four years, if the economy still sucks, he'll lose. Some of us have such a hard time accepting that we're willing to sound like the "Bush was selected not elected" crowd. This stuff is no more true than that was.
Of course not.
No one can possibly know that. Since the law in Hawaii is that no one except Obama can get it, and no court has ordered him to do so, he probably has had to spend almost nothing.
The "millions of dollars" fantasy is like the "travel to Pakistan forbidden to Americans" lie - just made up out of whole cloth.
I assumed he at least had to have lawyers address the lawsuits, did he not?