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Vanity - Need Help Defending Rush ("racist" comments)

Posted on 02/11/2009 11:28:35 AM PST by mills044

Sorry for the vanity - I need some Freeper help. I was defending Rush Limbaugh in a forum today, and the person I was debating presented a series of Rush quotes which was supposed to prove his "racism."

I'm a huge Rush fan, and clearly the man is not racist. The mainstream media misquotes him on a daily basis, and I assume these are misquotes or taken out of context.... Does anyone have any "debunk" information/links, that I can use to address the following quotes?

"I mean, let's face it, we didn't have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: slavery built the South. I'm not saying we should bring it back; I'm just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark."

"You know who deserves a posthumous Medal of Honor? James Earl Ray [the confessed assassin of Martin Luther King]. We miss you, James. Godspeed."

"Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?"

"Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it."

"The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies."

"Take that bone out of your nose and call me back(to an African American female caller)"

Thanks in advance!!!


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1 posted on 02/11/2009 11:28:35 AM PST by mills044
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To: mills044

Those don’t sound like any comments that Rush has ever made.


2 posted on 02/11/2009 11:30:47 AM PST by caver (Obama's first goals: allow more killing of innocents and allow the killers of innocents to go free.)
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To: mills044

This is a classic trick question. Kind of like “Have you stopped beating your wife?” The better way to handle this is to have the person making the claim that Rush said this, prove it. Have him provide actual source material.


3 posted on 02/11/2009 11:30:48 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Obama - what you get when you mix Affirmative Action with the Peter Principle.)
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To: mills044

Are those actual quotes, or lib talking points (made up)?


4 posted on 02/11/2009 11:30:56 AM PST by allmost
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To: mills044

First thing I’d do is ask them to provide the dates when he allegedly made these statements, as well as documentation. For all youknow, these folks just made ‘em up when they started typing. They claim he said these things, they have to provide some proof.


5 posted on 02/11/2009 11:32:10 AM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll)
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To: mills044

I call complete BS. If you can show links to these quotes, fine, otherwise — see ya, troll!


6 posted on 02/11/2009 11:32:17 AM PST by JennysCool (Internet Powerhouse)
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To: mills044

I have to agree, I’m not a 15 year Rush listener, but those don’t sound like things he would have said. Maybe one of them.

Isn’t it easier to just say “OK, so he’s a racist. So what?”. Then link them to:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2180558/posts?page=1


7 posted on 02/11/2009 11:33:19 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (Mr. Bernanke, have you started working on your book about the second GREATER depression?")
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To: IYAS9YAS

Agreed. Have them provide the EXACT source of the quotes.........and not in the length of a ‘sound byte’, either. Those can be taken completely out of context.


8 posted on 02/11/2009 11:33:39 AM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Obama dozed.....people froze.)
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To: mills044

Snopes.com has a piece on the bone and Jesse Jackson quotes. They acknowledge all evidence is anecdotal, but state that it has been widely reported and Rush hasn’t denied it and in fact acknowledged feeling badly about the “bone” quote, so they “mark it” as true (for whatever that is worth). Probably should note that those comments were made in the 1970s on a show Rush Limbaugh was hosting as a disc jockey, not a commentator.


9 posted on 02/11/2009 11:33:49 AM PST by GraceCoolidge
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To: mills044

Take any of those remarks IN context, and no debunking is necessary.


10 posted on 02/11/2009 11:33:54 AM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: mills044
You might be interested in This Thread. Columnist William Raspberry changed his mind on that very issue.
11 posted on 02/11/2009 11:34:40 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: mills044
Obvious - made up quotes.

One you did miss:

I like “Barrack the Magic Negro” - except Rush didn't make it up - a liberal columnist at the LA Times did.

12 posted on 02/11/2009 11:35:07 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: mills044

Mr. “Snerdly” is black and hasn’t talked to TMZ or one of those rags about how Rush does drugs or whatever. He seems very loyal and that has to come from some where...


13 posted on 02/11/2009 11:35:35 AM PST by matginzac
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To: mills044
My question is why? Why are you doing this? You don't need to defend Rush or what he says. Basically, it is none of your concern. Why would you want to try to explain what Rush or anyone has in their minds and says. And, I refuse to debate liberals. They just scream, yell, whine, cry, puke and cannot give facts concerning the things anyone says or does. Forget it. Do something constructive with your time.
14 posted on 02/11/2009 11:36:03 AM PST by RetiredArmy (Oscuma is a dope smoking, Chicago gangland punk- street thug. Simple as that.)
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To: mills044

how do we know this thread is not a fake in order to spread the urban legend?

this should be deleted as a “no thanks”


15 posted on 02/11/2009 11:36:54 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: mills044

These quotes, and make him prove they are actual quotes, are not by Rush, and if they are they are taken out of context. Rush doesn’t say things like that. Make this turkey send you a transcript of the program, either audio or written and then confront him. He won’t be able to send you one. This is a typical lib trick, ascribe dialogue to people that is untrue and make you go on the defensive. Turn it around on him and make him prove Rush actually said these things and in what context.


16 posted on 02/11/2009 11:37:43 AM PST by calex59
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To: 2banana

Yes, i made that exact point on re: the Magic Negro song - that it was a satire proving the racial-obsession by mainstream outlets like the LA Times. Pointing to and lampooning racism is not a racist act.

When i googled these quotes, i got a list of websitesa from the left’s fever-swamp... Disgusting.


17 posted on 02/11/2009 11:38:40 AM PST by mills044 (Spread the truth via music! www.patriotmusiconline.com)
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To: RetiredArmy

I agree. Defending conservative values to liberals is a waste of time. Living and working in a blue city, I have experience.

BUT I have made headways with some of my co-workers. Libs are hypocrites and they hate it when I’m right.


18 posted on 02/11/2009 11:39:03 AM PST by max americana
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To: mills044

You cannot argue about racism in a one sided argument. The person you wre arguing with is convinced and nothing you can say or do will convince him/her. Dont waste your time you will only get in deeper.

I agree with the former poster who said get this person to show you proof Rush said those things. I personally dont believe he did.


19 posted on 02/11/2009 11:40:07 AM PST by Venturer
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To: max americana; RetiredArmy

You’re probably right. Somedays they can get to me more than others, i guess. I’m just tired of dealing with ignorance on such a grand scale.

Frustrating!


20 posted on 02/11/2009 11:40:46 AM PST by mills044 (Spread the truth via music! www.patriotmusiconline.com)
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To: mills044
You can never defend truth against emotion. Truth never reaches a wondering feeling.
21 posted on 02/11/2009 11:40:49 AM PST by bmwcyle (I have no President as of Jan 20th 2009. No Congress either.)
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To: IYAS9YAS

While yours is good, I would say that the first step would be to agree on a definition of “racism” that does not include references to a ^specific^ race.

Then make the opponent prove the statements (some I do recall) are Rush’s and then how they fit into the already agreed upon definition of racism.


22 posted on 02/11/2009 11:41:55 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (FreepMail me if you want on the Bourbon ping list!)
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To: mills044

So when did you stop beating your wife?


23 posted on 02/11/2009 11:42:46 AM PST by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: mills044

LOL. Why are you wasting time on this?


24 posted on 02/11/2009 11:44:03 AM PST by sickoflibs (Pelosi: "Create jobs by teaching kids to use condoms in recovery bill ",condom jobs??)
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To: mills044

This whole new Rush is a Racist thing is going to backfire bigtime....


25 posted on 02/11/2009 11:44:16 AM PST by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: mills044

Step one: Don’t get into “debates” with idiots and liars, as you did. You can’t win, since your opponent is lying. Call him a liar, demand he produce proof, and forget him.


26 posted on 02/11/2009 11:46:17 AM PST by ozzymandus
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To: mills044

“Never argue with a fool. A listener won’t be able to tell the difference between you and he.” That’s the only quote from Rush that is real. Its also good advice.


27 posted on 02/11/2009 11:46:49 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Global Warming Theory is extremely robust with respect to data. All observations confirm it)
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To: max americana

Damn right!

Debating a true dyed-in-the-wool Socialist is a complete waste of precious time and sanity...Don’t even bother.

It’s like trying to argue with a 4 yr old about why they cant have Skittles and M&M’s for dinner.

Don’t lower yourself to their level.


28 posted on 02/11/2009 11:46:55 AM PST by HailReagan78
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To: mills044

“Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it.”

I have no idea if this a true Rush quote, but either way, its damn accurate!


29 posted on 02/11/2009 11:48:45 AM PST by HailReagan78
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To: mills044

I am sick of Rush working in his paid commercials into his monolog, “Carbinite” ?? “Back up your computers!” Very annoying

Look if you are for tax cuts you are racist. No other explaination. Conservatives are by liberal definition racists. Jack Kemp was stupid when he said Capital Gain tax cuts will attract blacks to Republican party in droves. They want tax credits not tax cuts.


30 posted on 02/11/2009 11:49:34 AM PST by sickoflibs (Pelosi: "Create jobs by teaching kids to use condoms in recovery bill ",condom jobs??)
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To: mills044
I understand. When I have a liberal whine his crap, and yell, Bush Bush Bush, I just laugh at him and say sure. We had Bush, but you had Karter and Klinton. I have NO liberals that I call friends. I do not mix with liberals. That is like trying to mix oil and water. I DO NOT mix with liberals. I don't want liberal friends. Main reason? I am a Christian and I have NO FRIENDS who support the murder of unborn children in the womb. None. I don't hang with them. I don't talk to them. I don't go any where they are. I refuse to have my day ruined by a bunch of liberals and their whining.
31 posted on 02/11/2009 11:51:49 AM PST by RetiredArmy (Oscuma is a dope smoking, Chicago gangland punk- street thug. Simple as that.)
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To: mills044
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh

Wikiquote can tell you which of these quotes are sourced, unsourced and disputed. Note that many of the sources given are of leftist authors.

32 posted on 02/11/2009 11:58:07 AM PST by Between the Lines (For their sin of 50 million abortions God gave them over to be an ObamaNation {Romans 1:24-32})
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To: caver

They don’t to me either. Of course you do realise that liberals make things up. Make them prove where he said any of these things. They usually shut up.


33 posted on 02/11/2009 12:00:31 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: mills044
You might want to ask four of his very good friends about his views on race. Try Bo Snerdly, Ken Hutcherson, Walter E Williams, and Thomas Sowell. You might also compare and contrast his opinion of Justice Clarence Thomas with those of the more "tolerant" persuasion.

But, remember: Never argue with an idiot because it is difficult to tell who is who...
34 posted on 02/11/2009 12:07:12 PM PST by philled ("I prefer messy democracy to the stability of tyrants." -- Howar Ziad, Iraqi Ambassador to Canada)
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To: mills044
Rush can take care of himself.

He's making an accusation, simply ask him to prove it. Show you a tape or recording. Everything leaves a record.

The libs used to deny that Al Gore ever said that he 'created the internet' until a mysterious tape appeared.
I created the Internets!

35 posted on 02/11/2009 12:13:13 PM PST by Bon mots
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To: mills044

I doubt Rush made those comments I can’t even imagine the context of how they would be made. In particular, what gives the lie here is the last point:

“Take that bone out of your nose and call me back(to an African American female caller)”

I will bet dollars to donuts he did not make that comment or anything close.


36 posted on 02/11/2009 12:17:30 PM PST by Vendome
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To: mills044

An article on these very same quotes (and others):
http://andrews.blogtownhall.com/2008/10/21/a_request_for_rush_fans.thtml


37 posted on 02/11/2009 12:19:09 PM PST by kidd (Obama: The triumph of hope over evidence)
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To: mills044

Here’s all the debunking you need. Anyone who said “You know who deserves a posthumous Medal of Honor? James Earl Ray [the confessed assassin of Martin Luther King]. We miss you, James. Godspeed.” on the air would have been thrown off the air. (Imus lost his job for far less) And since that quote is a flat-out lie, let the lyin’ bastids PROVE the others.


38 posted on 02/11/2009 12:19:36 PM PST by bobsatwork
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To: mills044

I know Rush and asked him about these supposed quotes and here is his reply on each one:

“I mean, let’s face it, we didn’t have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: slavery built the South. I’m not saying we should bring it back; I’m just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark.”

NEVER SAID IT

“You know who deserves a posthumous Medal of Honor? James Earl Ray [the confessed assassin of Martin Luther King]. We miss you, James. Godspeed.”

NEVER SAID IT.

“Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?”

Did say it on TV show, forget context?

“Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it.”

Said it after New England San Diego playoff game in 2008

“The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies.”

Said after Spike Lee wanted all black kids out of school to watch his movie Malcolm X and learn their history

“Take that bone out of your nose and call me back (to an African American female caller)”

Totally out of context. Told story of how management at KUDL KC wanted me to be insult host....I told current audience how much I hated it....was given this line by management to use....related in in a story about how insult radio was NOT my cup of tea and how I knew I had no future doing it.


39 posted on 02/11/2009 12:28:47 PM PST by NeverMcCrazy
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To: mills044

Here’s what I would do. Ask for sources and if they can’t give you any (they won’t be able to - not real ones anyway) then ask them to listen to Rush for the next 3 weeks and give detailed documentation, (date, time, exact quote) of any ‘racist’ comments he makes. This should shut them up.


40 posted on 02/11/2009 12:40:36 PM PST by fellowpatriot
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To: mills044
George Orwell explained the Big Lie well in Nineteen Eighty-Four.

To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed...”.

41 posted on 02/11/2009 1:16:31 PM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: mills044

All you have to say, “I listen to Rush on a regular basis and I have never heard him say anything racist. You don’t listen to him, so why I take your word for what he says over the evidence I have heard with my own ears.”


42 posted on 02/11/2009 1:45:35 PM PST by bluegirl
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To: mills044

I have listened to Rush since ‘93 or earlier and I never heard him say these things or anything remotely like them. They are all made up.


43 posted on 02/11/2009 2:19:29 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: NeverMcCrazy

Thank you. I thought so.


44 posted on 02/11/2009 2:25:24 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: JennysCool

Agreed. IBTZ.


45 posted on 02/11/2009 3:26:12 PM PST by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: mills044

b


46 posted on 02/11/2009 3:47:16 PM PST by TwoSue
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To: freekitty

“Of course you do realise that liberals make things up.”

Oh, yea. In the last 3 or 4 months we have seen the biggest lies that the liberals have ever laid on the ignorant masses.


47 posted on 02/11/2009 6:24:55 PM PST by caver (Obama's first goals: allow more killing of innocents and allow the killers of innocents to go free.)
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To: caver

Right.


48 posted on 02/11/2009 6:33:10 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Vendome

How would anyone know that a caller was / is an African American Female? Wouldn’t that be the sign of using stereotypes?


49 posted on 02/11/2009 7:48:16 PM PST by aaCharley
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To: mills044

Start here:

http://www.andimright.com/?p=345

It’s my full post and breaks down the James Earl Ray lie.

I will have more during the week.


50 posted on 06/16/2009 8:37:56 PM PDT by Vincent Bordini (Phony Rush Limbaugh Quotes)
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