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Obama’s Friday order to Catholic hospitals: Shut up, commit abortions or I’ll shut you down
The Collins Report ^ | March 2, 2009 | Kevin "Coach" Collins

Posted on 03/02/2009 5:53:22 AM PST by jmaroneps37

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To: AliVeritas
Just heard on ABC radio that Obama has released stimulus money for 147 health clinics.

Want to bet they are the planned parenthood type of health clinics.

161 posted on 03/02/2009 10:04:18 AM PST by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: jmaroneps37

Well, now I’m convinced Obama is not the anti-Christ.

The anti-Christ isn’t supposed to reveal his true colors until 3 1/2 years have passed.


162 posted on 03/02/2009 10:05:00 AM PST by keats5
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To: netmilsmom

they should close and reopen as self insured mutual aid entities


163 posted on 03/02/2009 10:05:57 AM PST by Chickensoup ("Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.")
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To: campaignPete R-CT
“maybe the feds will try to seize the hospitals, if they try to close. emminent domain and all. i welcome the showdown.”

You shouldn't assume it will go the way you think. In most cases it will mean that Catholic hospitals will start doing abortions. I will be hushed up and the team that does them will not be Catholic. Indeed I expect that most of the abortions will continue to be handled by the local abortion clinic. The only difference is that now when the occasional woman asks about abortions at the Catholic hospital they will be referred to the abortion clinic rather than flatly refused. I wish the Catholic hospitals would just close too, as a matter of principle, but it's unlikely.

164 posted on 03/02/2009 10:11:57 AM PST by monday
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To: wagglebee

It’s heating up. More opportunities to choose good and reject evil. I hope those involved choose rightly.


165 posted on 03/02/2009 10:12:12 AM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: Redbob

I am really interested in seeing exactly this, talk is cheap. Lets see who really walks the talk.


166 posted on 03/02/2009 10:13:55 AM PST by righting-wrongs
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To: jmaroneps37; All
Hummm... interesting. Is the point of doing this to force his hand on the abortion issue OR is it to put more pressure on our already struggling healthcare system so he and the democraps can swoop in, through crisis of course, to make a case for nationalizing healthcare. I have a tendency to believe the latter.... folks nothing is what it seems. Out of all of this, if you remember ONE thing... it is ALL about POWER. If he can put more pressure on our healthcare system and try to make it look like it is in crisis as well... then he can continue to take power from the individual and give it to government.... it is ALL about the POWER.... you can follow that to the answer everytime.
167 posted on 03/02/2009 10:15:50 AM PST by zimfam007 (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: jmaroneps37
WTF is his obsession with abortion? I wish his Mom had believed in it and we would all be a hell of a lot better off.
He is drunk with power and I seriously think we are going to end up with a revolution in this country if he doesn't settler his as* down.
He likes abortion because it helps meet the magic number 25 million dead, that his pal Ayers requested.
168 posted on 03/02/2009 10:34:38 AM PST by mojitojoe (None are more hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free.)
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To: wiseprince

no one wants a showdown these days. They will cave...in some form or another
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I doubt it.


169 posted on 03/02/2009 10:36:46 AM PST by mojitojoe (None are more hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free.)
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To: little jeremiah
It’s heating up.
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Oh yes it is. Outrage is turning into fear, disbelief and the realization that it has only been 6 weeks and there is no end in sight until we have full blown Communism. American's aren't going to sit back and let it happen.
170 posted on 03/02/2009 10:40:45 AM PST by mojitojoe (None are more hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free.)
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To: jmaroneps37

Close the hospitals and then get on TV and explain why. The Producers must revolt.


171 posted on 03/02/2009 10:43:38 AM PST by Sir Gawain (With Obama's "tax cut" I can afford a torch and a pitchfork in just TWO WEEKS!)
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To: jmaroneps37

Barfsack will have a formidable chore implementing his Cuban-style healthcare with all of the Catholic hospitals closed.


172 posted on 03/02/2009 10:47:31 AM PST by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice in these troubled times.)
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To: kellynla
the Catholic schools have not only survived but prospered for decades without federal funding... and without federal funding, the hospitals should quit giving medical care to illegal aliens and others showing up at the emergency rooms with non-emergency medical issues... next...

If they're not wasting money providing free medical care to illegals who can't afford it, they won't be in such bad financial shape.

I need to check out the nearest Catholic hospital if that comes to pass.

173 posted on 03/02/2009 10:49:55 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Saltmeat
Perhaps it is time for the Pope to plan a trip to America and hold rallies in every state in opposition to this matter of forcing Catholic hospitals to perform abortions. My wife and I are Baptist, but we would journey to any city in Louisiana to attend such a rally and be able to stand shoulder to shoulder with our fellow Christians to exhibit our support.

God bless you. Your willingness to stand with us means a lot to me.

174 posted on 03/02/2009 11:40:12 AM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Well stated. I have been impressed with the length of the period during which deficits could grow. Since the 1930s, the nation has bound itself so tightly in its own debt that it can no longer reach into its wallet to pull out enough to cover the costs.

Behind the three doors before us is (1) high inflation, (2) debt default, or (3) a stop to spending. Behind one of the doors resides some hope for free and prosperous growth.

Which door will we choose?


175 posted on 03/02/2009 11:42:41 AM PST by iacovatx (If you must lie to recruit to your cause, you are fighting for the wrong side.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
Everything the 60’s radicals used to get us here, we'll need to use to take us back to what our Founding Fathers created.

BTTT for Civil Disobedience!!! The libs wrote the books (and published them); might as well use them. Which would be, by the way, very much in keeping with our Founding Fathers' tactics. The British complained because our Colonials used guerrilla tactics.

Keep your powder dry!

176 posted on 03/02/2009 11:49:35 AM PST by NoPrisoners
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To: jmaroneps37

He wins either way. They either do it (almost all won’t) and if they don’t, govt will buy their hospitals and they’ll have more resources for national healthcare and a new home for out of work abortionists.


177 posted on 03/02/2009 11:53:08 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: pnh102
Catholic hospitals should simply quit accepting federal money.

I wonder - is taking a patient on medicare considered "accepting federal money"? I don't know - but if it is, they might really have to close.

178 posted on 03/02/2009 12:52:55 PM PST by ducdriver (Judica me, Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta. (Ps. 42))
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To: mojitojoe

if the decision is between performing abortions and shutting down I think a lot of “Catholic” churches will try to justify it in their mind. I don’t see a well thought out response and mass shutdown. I hope I’m wrong


179 posted on 03/02/2009 1:14:03 PM PST by wiseprince
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To: iacovatx

Practically speaking, at this point only debt default gets us back on our feet again. This begins with the USG Treasury bill default on about $15-20T. Comparatively, this was done before at the multi-State level, in the Panic of 1837.

The effect is to destroy our “credit rating”, which means that international trade is limited to commodity swaps. But otherwise it is the least painful, limiting government to only paying for what it has tax revenues to pay for. If government can no longer borrow money, it cannot deficit spend.

It is more interesting at the commercial level, because it means dividing our economy, and likely our currency, between “real” corporations with “real” debt, and leverage corporations with imaginary debt. With the idea that the latter collapse without taking down the former with them.

One way of doing this is to essentially declare that only our paper currency is legal tender. That electronic money is only worth what you can get for it. Because only 5% of our daily retail is backed with paper, and we cannot practically print more, with an odd exception, it is already massively deflated. It becomes our “real” currency.

This gets very bizarre in a hurry.

The US Bureau of Engraving and Printing (USBEP) has only two printing offices, both of which are at 100% capacity to print just that 5% of our retail currency, which only lasts about six months before it has to be replaced. There are about 560B $1 bills in print, but only about 160M $100 bills. So even if the government tried to print $1000 bills, nobody could make change for them.

However, the USBEP could print very high denomination (VHD) bills, from $10,000 to $10,000,000, that would not be circulated, but used to protect “real” corporations. Such bills could only be spent with US Treasury permission, to another authorized corporation, and would guarantee 100% collateral to keep corporations operating. A company literally could not go bankrupt if it had such bills backing part of its money.

Nobody, such as an individual or leverage corporation, could take these bills from a real company, and they could only be used to keep it functioning.

So leverage companies with billions of dollars in debt would collapse, yet could not buy much smaller real companies to loot them.

This divides our economy, divides our currency, and gets our much smaller government working again.


180 posted on 03/02/2009 2:05:09 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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