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At it again: Anti-gunners trying to demonize yet another class of firearms
Seattle Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 4 March, 2009 | Dave Workman

Posted on 03/05/2009 3:30:39 AM PST by marktwain

First it was “plastic guns” that critics, including perennial anti-gun Senator Edward M. Kennedy, hysterically claimed could become the weapon of choice of terrorist because they did not show up on x-ray machines. But the “plastic gun” turned out to be a myth, and the pistol once called a “terrorist weapon” for its use of polymer components around a steel frame – the Glock – is now the choice of American police officers. Then it was the “semiautomatic assault-weapon,” pilloried in the press because it looked like a military firearm and had some cosmetic features some people didn’t like, and this allowed the fear-peddlers at the Violence Policy Center (VPC) an opportunity to confuse people and gull them into supporting a ten-year ban that accomplished nothing, especially when it came to protecting the lives of police officers. One law enforcement expert debunked claims by the gun prohibition lobby that these semiautomatic firearms – which function identically to grandpa’s Remington or Browning shotgun he used to hunt ducks and geese – are “the weapons of choice” of criminals.

I can tell you that the claim that AK-47s or something called an ‘assault weapon’…is widely used by criminals, isn’t true and never has been true. The buzz-phrase became “you don’t need an assault rifle to hunt ducks,” when any hunter could tell you that it’s illegal to hunt ducks with a rifle, anyway, while any gun rights activist will note that the Second Amendment is not about duck hunting, and that “It’s the Bill of Rights, not the Bill of Needs.” Next up was the so-called “.50-caliber Sniper Rifle,” which gun banners portrayed with the proper degree of paranoia as the gun terrorists would use to bring down passenger jets. There has never been a single recorded incident of such magnitude, and according to Wikipedia, “the ViolencePolicyCenter is only able to document 4 actual uses of .50 BMG rifles by criminals.” Now, VPC’s Tom Diaz, who has made a career demonizing different firearms, is now going after a class of large-caliber handguns developed solely for big game hunting (thus deflating another myth of the anti-gun lobby, that handguns are designed only for shooting people). Like the terms “assault rifle” “plastic handguns” and “sniper rifle,” Diaz has invented a slur term for the huge handguns, dubbing them “vest busters.” This alludes to the claim that bullets fired from such handguns will penetrate soft body armor worn by police officers. It is no accident that every time the gun ban lobby launches a campaign to ban one type of gun or another, it camouflages the campaign with claims that “it’s to protect children” or “it threatens the safety of law enforcement officers.” Yet the VPC even acknowledges that handgun bullets do not constitute a threat to police wearing bullet resistant vests.

During the 1990 to 1999 period, 20 law enforcement officers were killed by gunshot wounds as a result of rounds penetrating their body armor. All of these rounds were fired from rifles.

Sadly, Michael Steele, former Maryland lieutenant governor and now head of the Republican National Committee, has also fallen for the mantra of gun prohibitionists. He has also alienated millions of gun owners – an important “base” voting bloc for Republicans – by stating, “What do you need an assault weapon for, if you’re going hunting? That’s overkill.” Steele exhibited a horrid ignorance of competition shooting, along with the increasing use of AR-15 type rifles for varmint hunting and predator control, especially in the West, by a new generation of shooters brought up with such rifles. According to the Associated Press and Seattle Times, Congressional Democrats currently have little interest in pushing gun control, and Steel should follow their lead. Don’t sucker for the new campaign to demonize a class of guns. In a society that condemns racial or religious bigotry, anti-gunners should not get a pass by practicing social bigotry against firearms, and the people who own them. Considering the racist origins of gun control, one would think that new attempts to demonize specific firearms might be met with the same disgust we would feel about demonizing specific classes of people.


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To: Pistolshot
A few years ago on one of our bear hunts, we were watching a mountain grizzly who was down a steep slope about 50 feet below us. There were 5 of us, 2 guides, an Indian tracker, my husband and I was the only one without a gun. The bear could have made it up that slope in about 2 seconds if he had wanted to. He was big not not as big as the grizzly post here. Wow! I can't wait to show this one to Mr. Ditter.
41 posted on 03/05/2009 5:47:16 AM PST by Ditter
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To: bruoz

when i did this with my children, clintoon was president, the rifle had a lug for a bayonet...that was not illegal at the time, but actually attaching the bayonet made it an assault rifle


42 posted on 03/05/2009 5:54:00 AM PST by joe fonebone (When you ask God for help, sometimes he sends the Marines.)
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To: marktwain

Do they realize how good 20 dead in 9 years is?


43 posted on 03/05/2009 6:06:03 AM PST by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: absolootezer0

Deer hunting with an AK-47 can be fun.


44 posted on 03/05/2009 6:10:44 AM PST by bmwcyle (Obama voters, your 401 K's are dead. Now what?)
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To: Charles Martel

Doesn’t China have a million-man army? What about that of India? I imagine there were more numbers run than that.


45 posted on 03/05/2009 6:11:49 AM PST by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: Pistolshot

I really hope you have a link to that story somewhere so I can post it elsewhere.


46 posted on 03/05/2009 6:14:01 AM PST by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: MileHi

Years ago, I bought a ChiCom SKS and 1000rds at a gun show. Told the vendor “Thank you, sir ... and Fsck You, Sarah Brady”.


47 posted on 03/05/2009 6:14:47 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Mad, some lever-actions are banned. And probably H&H rifles as well.


48 posted on 03/05/2009 6:15:30 AM PST by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

I held the FN 5.7 pistol on Sunday - They needed to get $1400 for it. It is on my purchase list.


49 posted on 03/05/2009 6:24:21 AM PST by Damifino (The true measure of a man is found in what he would do if he knew no one would ever find out.)
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To: Damifino

What makes it attractive to you?

I’ll admit I like the idea of a 20 round mag and I suspect it will be a very accurate handgun but I can’t see spending that kind of money on something that gives me a .224 caliber, 40 grain bullet with less stopping power than a 9mm.


50 posted on 03/05/2009 6:32:40 AM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Be There >>> http://www.secondamendmentmarch.com)
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To: marktwain

Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Tools:" (Thanks to whomever thought that up)

Rule 11: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it. Don’t try to attack abstract corporations or bureaucracies. Identify a responsible individual. Ignore attempts to shift or spread the blame.

It's SOP for the Social-fascist Dhimicraps and specifically at places like the Disarm the law-abiding policy center.

Go after an unpopular target and demonize it as a first step in attacking a whole group.

51 posted on 03/05/2009 6:47:56 AM PST by Voice of Reason1 ("Absolute power corrupts absolutely” -Lord Acton 1887)
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To: marktwain

“Never Forget, even for an instant, that the one and only reason anybody has for taking your gun away is to make you weaker than he is, so he can do something to you that you wouldn’t allow him to do if you were equipped to prevent it. This goes for burglars, muggers, and rapists, and even more so for policemen, bureaucrats, and politicians.”

-Alexander Hope, from the novel “Hope” by L. Neil Smith and Aaron Zelman


52 posted on 03/05/2009 6:53:19 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: DuncanWaring
Got a handy reference to that one?

Not at the moment - I failed to bump the thread for later reference. I'll check my home computer later this evening - the page will be in the browser cache.

53 posted on 03/05/2009 6:54:09 AM PST by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: Charles Martel

I’d appreciate it.

I’ve been wondering for some time now what the annual increase in the “inventory” is.


54 posted on 03/05/2009 7:02:09 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: willgolfforfood
Stolen, sold at a garage sale, dropped in a ravine, fishing boat overturned...

There must be 50 ways to lose your hardware

55 posted on 03/05/2009 7:02:56 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: catman67

That’s the thing that these anti-gunners don’t seem to grasp -

when it’s just as illegal to have a Ruger 10/22 as it is to have a M-16,

people get the M-16.


56 posted on 03/05/2009 7:04:04 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: Voice of Reason1
That's Rule 13 in my copy. Is that a typo or are there two versions of the rules floating around?

1 ) Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.
2 ) Never go outside the experience of your people. It may result in confusion, fear and retreat.
3 ) Wherever possible go outside the experience of the enemy. Here you want to cause confusion, fear and retreat.
4 ) Make the enemy live up to his/her own book of rules.
5 ) Ridicule is man's most potent weapon.
6 ) A good tactic is one that your people enjoy.
7 ) A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.
8 ) Keep the pressure on, with different tactics and actions and utilize all events of the period for your purpose.
9 ) The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.
10 ) The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.
11 ) If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside.
12 ) The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.
13 ) Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it and polarize it.

57 posted on 03/05/2009 7:07:13 AM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Be There >>> http://www.secondamendmentmarch.com)
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To: wastedyears

As a friend of mine said “Seems like my BB gun is safe - for now!”


58 posted on 03/05/2009 7:29:01 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Watch the silly Reps chase the Dead Fish!!!)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
Sorry about that, that's the version I got when I searched.

I remembered the rule, but not which number, there are probably a few versions floating about

I'm sure as shooting Not going to Buy a copy

59 posted on 03/05/2009 7:31:12 AM PST by Voice of Reason1 ("Absolute power corrupts absolutely” -Lord Acton 1887)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
What makes it attractive to you?

This is a pistol that has a usable accurate range of 100yds +. This would be a blast to shoot and develop long range handgun skill with.

I can’t see spending that kind of money on something that gives me a .224 caliber, 40 grain bullet with less stopping power than a 9mm

At 2800fps+ there is many times the energy behind a 9mm. Using the proper bullet (to utilize the energy on impact) this is a GREAT personal protection weapon. There is a reason the FN is the preferred sidearm of the Secret Service.

60 posted on 03/05/2009 8:11:35 AM PST by Damifino (The true measure of a man is found in what he would do if he knew no one would ever find out.)
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