3 cheers for Orly Taitz

WND ^ | 3/16/09 | Joe Farah

[pissant]

Southern California attorney Orly Taitz has emerged as a constitutional heroine in the fight to establish – albeit late – whether Barack Obama is even legally eligible to serve as president of the United States.

On Friday, she took the bold step of presenting Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts with a WND petition of some 330,000 names calling on all controlling legal authorities to do just that.

And she did it before 800 people at the University of Idaho where he was speaking.

I have to tell you, this lady is rapidly becoming one of my heroes.

This question of eligibility is quite a story – or, should I say, non-story.

Anyone who dares mention it is now demeaned as a "birther."

I'll accept the title, if a "birther" is anyone who believes the Constitution really means what it plainly says about the president needing to be a "natural born citizen."

The insults won't stop me or WND from covering this issue as we have throughout the campaign and since the election. It's not going away – not until we see the complete birth certificate instead of the certification of live birth, and get some answers to questions of obviously growing concern to millions of Americans.

[MHGinTN]

The obamanoid has been told that and it has been explained over and over. That the poster keeps trying to float that deceit is quite telling of Axelrod’s idiots.

[The Cajun]

Obama trolls are sounding better organized and coached today, but somewhat more desperate.

[Calpernia]

An overlooked nugget is, "prima facie evidence." "Prima facie" is a Latin phrase meaning "on its first appearance" or "by first instance." It is evidence which is adequate, if not invalidated, to confirm a particular intention or fact. It is evidence that is sufficient to raise a presumption of fact or to establish the fact in question unless rebutted. A prima facie case may be insufficient to enable a party to prevail if the opposing party introduces contradictory evidence. In other words, it basically means that on the face of it or on the surface there is enough evidence to prove the alleged fact, unless and until the alleged fact is contradicted.

What does all this mean? Obama has presented his COLB as proof that he was born in Hawaii. That document itself states that it is only "prima facie" evidence of that fact. When evidence contradicting the alleged fact is presented, the interested party needs to present other competent evidence to prove the existence of that alleged fact. If he fails to do so, the alleged fact is not proven, even if the opposing party produces no further evidence.

What has been presented to date is more than enough:

- the existence of the lax Hawaiian law that existed at the time Obama was born which allowed parents to register their foreign born babies in Hawaii;

- Obama's grandmother's statement that her grandson was born in Kenya and that she was present during that birth;

- the Kenya Ambassador to the United States, Peter N.R.O. Ogego, confirmed on November 6, 2008 during a radio interview with Detroit radio talk-show hosts Mike Clark, Trudi Daniels, and Marc Fellhauer on WRIF's "Mike In the Morning," that "President-Elect Obama" was born in Kenya and that his birth place was already a "well-known" attraction;

- the conflicting statements of Obama and his sister concerning in which Hawaiian hospital he was born;

- the failure of any Hawaiian hospital to confirm that Obama and/or his mother were present in any such hospital at the time of Obama's alleged birth in Honolulu;

- Director of Hawaiian Department of Heath, Fukino, said she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures," but she failed to say that the certificate shows that Obama was born in Hawaii;

- fightthesmears.com's and factcheck.org's current silence on the issue;

- the lack of any other corroborating document showing that Obama was born in Hawaii;

- the refusal of Obama to release for inspection his past documents (college and law school records and passports) which would shed some light as to where he was born;

- the failure of Obama to declare publicly after his COLB has been put into question that he was born in Hawaii;

- and Obama relying on state privacy laws to block the release of a certified copy of his birth certificate.

[nufsed]

I would add the taped statement by Bill Richardson that Obama is an immigrant.

[AmericanVictory]

How did we function for all those years before you had to go to law school to pass the bar in most states

So many lawyers, including very many of great stature in those first 150 years or so never went to law school at all; they just passed the bar. Imagine. How did we survive as a nation without degree requirements? Weren’t we lucky?

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

A modern document, a summary if you will. A COLB does not let us know if he had petitioned to get something about his birth record/ circumstances changed, it does not give hospital information, or the delivering doctor, etc.

And why do you think he petitioned to have something changed? Why does the doctor who delivered him matter?

On top of all that, it is most certainly a forged COLB,

Based on Polarik's analysis? Make me laugh.

machinations from the Obama camp point to just that.

Ignoring you is not a machination.

As legitimate docs? McCrae and Shuhubia’s affidavits. Polarik’s analysis of the COLB. Larry Sinclair’s affadavit regarding his homo activities. The affadavit obtained by WND regarding Obama’s residence at birth. Civil rights icon Percy Sutton’s recorded statement that radical muzzie Khalid al-Mansour asked him to help Obama get into Harvard. Jack Cashill’s analysis that Bill Ayers ghost wrote Dreams of my Father. I can think of a bunch more things I believe to be valid. But I can’t think of anything Obama ever said or produced that is.

Like I said, your willingness to swallow all that crap only proves how hypocritical you are.

Right, so you've got a fraudulently signed affidavit, a transcript that cuts out the parts that refute the entire argument, an anonymous guy on the internet claiming to be able to prove a document in fraudulent without examining the actual document, an affidavit from a convicted con man who failed a lie detector, a textual analysis that's simply a joke, and an alleged interview with an old lady who can't recall someone being their neighbor 47 years ago. Ooh. Obama must be quaking in fear

Larry Sinclair? Really? Wow.

No answer on why Berg cut the transcript short? You can listen to the whole thing if you want.

[Calpernia]

Ah, and now, not only are you better than a professional translator, you are now an expert on all village dialects?

You are amazing.

[Calpernia]

The list is actually longer than that. But it is more than enough for “prima facie”.

[pissant]

You want Machinations, dingbat? The machination of only producing a COLB when for $10, he can get a copy of his BC. A BC that he claims to have had in front of him when in college, mind you.

The machinations of releasing the COLB on Daily KOS. Can you IMAGINE the uproar that would have ensued had GWB released his Nat Guard records to FR instead of making them available to the NY Times, Wash Post, etc etc.

The machinations of having a hand picked left wing outfit called FactCheck come and “examine” the hard copy. The Equivalent would be Bush showing the Heritage Foundation his docs, but everyone else getting them from KOS and Fight the Smears.

Speaking of Fight the Smears, the machinations of posting it there, then reposting it at a much reduced compression after questions started being raised.

The machinations of FTS and Factcheck and KOS and kneepadders like you calling it a “birth certificate”.

The Machinations of Larry Sinclair being harrassed constantly by paid Obama stooges.

The machinations of Biden’s son having Sinclair arrested and held for days for trumped up charges.

The machinations of Biden’s son’s office threatening Sinclair with life in prison if he did not cop a plea bargain.

The machinations of the IRS suddenly deciding they need to have a chat with Mr. Sinclair.

The machinations of a utterly fraudulent Dreams of My Father that was supposedly written by a punk who couldn’t write his way out of a wet paper bag.

The machinations of sending out someone unconnected with Percy Sutton to the media to deny what Sutton had meant, yet claiming falsely to be a Sutton spokesman.

The machinations of the Ayers, Rashid Kalidi, Khalid al-Mansour, his communist mother and father, Frank Marshall Davis, his “marxist professors”, Tony Rezko and countless other criminals in the formation of the myth of Obama.

You sir, have no clue as to WTF you are talking about.

[pissant]

Yep. Nice summary

[curiosity]

You want Machinations, dingbat? The machination of only producing a COLB when for $10, he can get a copy of his BC.

The COLB is what you get when you ask Hawaii for a birth certificate and pay $10. The machinations of releasing the COLB on Daily KOS.

That was stupid, I agree. However, he did let an organization funded by a foundation whose president is a staunch McCain supporter and GOP contributor look at a hard copy.

The machinations of having a hand picked left wing outfit called FactCheck come and “examine” the hard copy.

If FactCheck is so left wing, why is it that the president of the foundation that funds it was a big GOP donor and McCain supporter? Google Lenore Annenberg.

The machinations of FTS and Factcheck and KOS and kneepadders like you calling it a “birth certificate”.

There is no different between a COLB and a birth certificate in the common, everyday idiom.

The Machinations of Larry Sinclair being harrassed constantly by paid Obama stooges. The machinations of Biden’s son having Sinclair arrested and held for days for trumped up charges. The machinations of Biden’s son’s office threatening Sinclair with life in prison if he did not cop a plea bargain. The machinations of the IRS suddenly deciding they need to have a chat with Mr. Sinclair.

Whoah! Break out the tinfoil hat! The conspiracy deepens!

[pissant]

No sir. You can get a vault copy of your BC for the same low price. $4 for each additional copy.

[Calpernia]

>>>There is no different between a COLB and a birth certificate in the common, everyday idiom.

"prima facie evidence"

Huh, no "prima facie evidence". Imagine that.

[curiosity]

All the evidence you are using to cast doubt on the COLB is false. Let's go through them one by one.

-the existence of the lax Hawaiian law that existed at the time Obama was born which allowed parents to register their foreign born babies in Hawaii;

Not true. That law was not passed until 1982, and even then, the certificate of foreign birth issued by Hawaii would not list Honolulu as the birthplace, unless you are seriously aserting Hawaii deliberately lies on its official documents.

- Obama's grandmother's statement that her grandson was born in Kenya and that she was present during that birth;

She never said that. In fact, she insisted the opposite: that he was born in Hawaii while she was present in Kenya.

- the Kenya Ambassador to the United States, Peter N.R.O. Ogego, confirmed on November 6, 2008 during a radio interview with Detroit radio talk-show hosts Mike Clark, Trudi Daniels, and Marc Fellhauer on WRIF's "Mike In the Morning," that "President-Elect Obama" was born in Kenya and that his birth place was already a "well-known" attraction;

He did no such thing.

- the conflicting statements of Obama and his sister concerning in which Hawaiian hospital he was born;

Another unsubstantiated internet rumor.

- the failure of any Hawaiian hospital to confirm that Obama and/or his mother were present in any such hospital at the time of Obama's alleged birth in Honolulu;

Did any Hopsital confirm GW Bush's birth? How about Clinton's? Reagan's?

Get a clue. Hospitals don't keep records for 40 years.

- Director of Hawaiian Department of Heath, Fukino, said she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures," but she failed to say that the certificate shows that Obama was born in Hawaii;

Her spokesman later clarified her comment and confirmed that's what she meant.

- fightthesmears.com's and factcheck.org's current silence on the issue;

Why should they say anything? To all but the tinfoil hat crowd, this is a dead issue.

- the lack of any other corroborating document showing that Obama was born in Hawaii;

Two birth announcements in two seperate local papers qualify. And no, they were not called in. The papers make quite clear they based their birth announcements on data from the state bureau of health statistics.

- the refusal of Obama to release for inspection his past documents (college and law school records and passports) which would shed some light as to where he was born;

LOL. How on earth are college and lawschool documents supposed to shed light on where he was born? Furthermore, can you name a single other presidential candidate that publicly released his passport records? This is absurd.

- the failure of Obama to declare publicly after his COLB has been put into question that he was born in Hawaii;

Why would he need to do that if no one but a lunatic fringe is questioning his eligibility?

- and Obama relying on state privacy laws to block the release of a certified copy of his birth certificate.

And how exactly is Obama supposed to change Hawaii law?

[Calpernia]

You have brown eyes.

[real_patriotic_american]

Go Orly go!!!

[CzarChasm]

"Birther" is a derogatory term attempting to cast the target in the same light as the 911 "Truthers".

The more accurate term I believe is "CertifiGate" ;-)

[rocco55]

Fellow FReepers, I sent a donation to Orly via PayPal about 2 weeks ago and today I rec’d a message stating that my donation was not received. This is the e-mail I rec’d:

“The funds have been returned to your account.

This payment was returned for the following reason(s):

orly.taitz@gmail.org did not sign up for a PayPal account or did not complete the registration process.” (end quote)

When I rec’d this, I immediately wrote Orly at EACH of her two e-mail addresses (mentioning that I am a dedicated supporter of her and a friend of Cort Wronowski) and have yet to receive a reply. She might be getting 10,0000 e-mails per day at this point ! Consequently, if there is a way to donate that will circumvent PayPal, I would suggest that for now.

We should ALL consider supporting her cause, but also use wisdom and discretion in assuring that the funds do reach her....I REALLY hope this is not the result of yet another hacker effort of the enemy ! Obozo does have a staff of dedicated 24/7 Obot geeks attempting to dis-arm us at every turn !

[Chunga]

There is no different between a COLB and a birth certificate in the common, everyday idiom.

There is a difference between them in fact.

Your enthusiasm for facts ends at the refutation of any of your assertions.

[Velveeta]

Not true. That law was not passed until 1982, and even then, the certificate of foreign birth issued by Hawaii would not list Honolulu as the birthplace, unless you are seriously aserting Hawaii deliberately lies on its official documents.

The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth program was established in 1911, during the territorial era, to register a person born in Hawaii who was one year old or older and whose birth had not been previously registered in Hawaii. The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth Program was terminated in 1972, during the statehood era.

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/hawnbirth.html