Rock Layers Folded, Not Fractured: Flood Evidence Number Six

AiG ^ | March 15, 2009 | Andrew Snelling, Ph.D.

[GodGunsGuts]

Rock Layers Folded, Not Fractured

Flood Evidence Number Six

by Andrew A. Snelling

March 15, 2009

How could a series of sedimentary layers fold without fracturing? The only way is for all the sedimentary layers to be laid down in rapid succession and then be folded while still soft and pliable.

If the global Flood, as described in Genesis 7–8, really occurred, what evidence would we expect to find? Wouldn’t we expect to find rock layers all over the earth that are filled with billions of dead animals and plants that were rapidly buried and fossilized in sand, mud, and lime? Yes, and that’s exactly what we find...

[GodGunsGuts]

Ping!

[steve-b]

If the global Flood, as described in Genesis 7–8, really occurred, what evidence would we expect to find?

We would expect to find fossils jumbled in random order.

Instead, we find fossils in the specific order of evolutionary descent.

Flood hypothesis disproven.

QED

[helpfulresearcher]

Solid rock is not so solid under pressure, moisture, and heat, and for long periods of time. Folded rock is very common and very well understood and predictable from both lab experiments and field work.

Metamorphic rocks are almost always from folded strata. It happens all over and all the time. This is really basic stuff.

[ClearCase_guy]

Metamorphic rocks are almost always from folded strata.

Are fossils frequently found in metamorphic rock?

[Virginia Ridgerunner]

Sorry, but plate tectonics say otherwise.

[stormer]

From “Will the real Dr Snelling please stand up?” by Alec Ritchie, PhD http://www.noanswersingenesis.org.au/realsnelling.htm:

“Several years ago, in the Sydney Morning Herald, as one geologist to another, I publicly challenged Dr Snelling (the young-earth creationist version) to a public debate, before our geological peers, on a subject close to his heart - Noah's Flood - The Geological Case For and Against.

I've repeated the challenge several times since then and it still stands.

For reasons best known only to himself, Dr Snelling has declined to defend the creationist cause.

In the light of the above I suggest the reason is obvious. In his heart, and as a trained geologist, he knows that the young-earth model is a load of old codswallop and is totally indefensible.”

[GonzoGOP]

The only way is for all the sedimentary layers to be laid down in rapid succession and then be folded while still soft and pliable.

Opposite is the case. The way to bend rock is constant pressure over very long periods of time. An analog familiar to any of us who bought low cost Walmart furniture in college is particle board. Think of the board as sedimentary rock. Lots of small particles glued together. Try to bend it fast and the glue breaks at the edges of the particles. Now use the particle board as a shelf and stack a bunch of heavy text books on it. At first it will not appear to deflect much at all. Let it sit there for a year and when you come back it will be bent into a bow shape. No cracks just bent. And when you take the weight off it stays bent.

Another example is glass. It flows very slowly, so slowly that it takes hundreds of years for the flow to be noticeable. The windows in the old cathedrals are one of the few places you can see it. Sedimentary rock is a Non-Newtonian fluid. Bend it fast and it acts like a solid. Bend it very very slowly and it acts like a liquid.

The other option is to heat it, but that would change its properties, for example turning it into granite. But that is visible in the rock and would not be part of the cases discussed.

I'm not arguing the religion/science part of this, I'm just talking about the properties of rock.

[Billg64]

If one assumes the flood was in the area of Noah’s family (the hebrew transcripts can be translated either way) and one assumes he brought the animals used for food and farming not every animal (physically impossinble on that vessel), one would find the evidence you are searching for.

Naturally science and YHVH’s word coincide; he is the foundation of scientific laws.

[GodGunsGuts]

==We would expect to find fossils jumbled in random order.

Wrong.

Fossil sorting:

http://creationwiki.org/Fossil_sorting

==Instead, we find fossils in the specific order of evolutionary descent.

And what evolutionary descent would that be, now that the evidence has forced the Evos to (finally) hack down Darwin’s “tree of life”, and all those phylogenetic trees are being thrown into dissaray by the finding that over 93% (and growing) of the genome is functional?

[tacticalogic]

If the fossils are the result of animals killed by the flood, and Noah didn't take any of the fish or other aquatic animals aboard the arc because they would survive the flood, then all of the fossils should be land animals.

There should be no fossils of aquatic animals to speak of, since they wouldn't have been killed, and therefore wouldn't have left any fossils behind.

[editor-surveyor]

"We would expect to find fossils jumbled in random order."

What ignorant nonsense!

We would expect to find them in their natural habitat, as we do find them!

The fact that we find any fossils at all is absolute proof of the near simultaneous death of both predator, and prey, which is also powerful proof of the judgement.

As for evolution, the only thing on Earth that supports it is morons.

[USFRIENDINVICTORIA]

FWIW, ice-age floods (from the melting of the monster ice-sheet that covered most of Canada, and large parts of the U.S.) were so massive that they sculpted geographic features.

[ZULU]

Don’t cloud their fairy tales with logic.

[tacticalogic]

Has anyone ever reproduced this “fossil sorting” in the lab?

[CottShop]

[[And what evolutionary descent would that be, now that the evidence has forced the Evos to (finally) hack down Darwin’s “tree of life”, and all those phylogenetic trees are being thrown into dissaray by the finding that over 93% (and growing) of the genome is functional?]]

There is no ‘evidence’- they mistake ‘assumptions about continuance’ as ‘evidence’- their evidence-less a priori assumptions are deemed ‘science’ while opposition with evidence is labelled ‘psuedoscience’- just hte claim of ‘e find fossils in specific order of descent’ is enough- no evidence of continuance is needed- just the claim.

[Bob Eimiller]

Bump to save

[GonzoGOP]

If one assumes the flood was in the area of Noah’s family (the hebrew transcripts can be translated either way) and one assumes he brought the animals used for food and farming not every animal (physically impossible on that vessel), one would find the evidence you are searching for.

No problem there. There is a ton of evidence for rapid sea rise in the near east just before written history begins. the flooding of the Black Sea had to be a trauma to the people living there virtually unmatched in human history. And Bob Ballard said the whole thing could have happened in a few weeks. So 40 days and 40 nights is not out of the realm of possibility. No doubt stories of that time were still wandering around in time for Moses and Gilgamesh (SP?).

Also there was the Green Sahara as we came out of the last ice age, and there are numerous fossilized sea shores all along the Mediterranean testifying to sea level shifts. Now while it takes a long time to create one of these coastlines, the shift from one to the next might be very rapid, although in in the 40 day range, more like a few hundred years. But during that time there would be periods of rapid flooding as what had been a river delta suddenly became a bay during a very bad storm. Kinda like New Orleans after Katerina.

Like I said I'm not arguing the religion, just pointing out that the rock bending argument doesn't support the theory of rapid sedimentation.

[Shery]

You’ve been drinking the Koolaid.

[CottShop]

[[If the fossils are the result of animals killed by the flood, and Noah didn’t take any of the fish or other aquatic animals aboard]]

Not true- He had an aquarium with goldfish and japanese fighting fish, and fresh water catfish, as well he had a freezer full of Haddock and Shark, and various other yummies to snack on which fell overboard and got stuck in the mud when hte ark hit a speedbump.

[[There should be no fossils of aquatic animals to speak of, since they wouldn’t have been killed,]]

Actually- yeah they would have died- this wasn’t just a nice little trickle event- the pressures and sediments were massive- some might have survived but it’s almost a certainty some would have died and been buried alive as we have fossils of fish in the act of giving birth that were fossilized.