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Police: After confronting wife, husband "wanted the kids dead"
Seattle Times ^ | 04/05/09 | Sara Jean Green

Posted on 04/05/2009 8:27:18 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright

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To: NFHale; hiredhand; Squantos
gilbos .02 regarding this level of evil...

once upon a time, i knew a guy that had this kind of bitterness in his heart...at one point he was determined to put an end to the situation, and had all the plans made ...

the mental barriers that restrict such actions in 'normal' human beings were finally overcome and the hour was upon him to make the drive across town...somewhere then, for reasons unknown to him, the hand of the Lord intervened and caused him to question his physical ability to carry out his deeds...the rage passed and the child and his momma were protected from harm...

today he has since turned around and embraced the Lord, and spends much time and effort recounting the depths of his depraved thoughts and actions of his past, its an opportunity to give the full Glory of life to God the Father, the strenth and actions of His Holy Spirit working in the heart, and the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus in 'paying the freight' for the grace in his life today...

41 posted on 04/06/2009 5:40:12 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 ("JesusChrist 08"...Trust in the Lord......=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

41 was an answer to your last paragraph as well...


42 posted on 04/06/2009 5:49:46 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 ("JesusChrist 08"...Trust in the Lord......=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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To: Gilbo_3

Jeremiah said that “the human heart is wicked above all things, for who can know it?” (Jeremiah 17:9). Unfortunately, we all have it in us to do things like this. Blind rage removes logic, and the desire to get revenge only hightens that rage. What a damned sad story... more so that he couldn’t see PAST his current situation.


43 posted on 04/06/2009 5:51:44 AM PDT by hiredhand (Understand the CRA and why we're facing economic collapse - see my about page.)
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To: hiredhand

I cant quote the chapter/verse...but I do recall that being blinded to our own folly is part of the plan...


44 posted on 04/06/2009 6:05:37 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 ("JesusChrist 08"...Trust in the Lord......=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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To: cycle of discernment

Adultery is a sin. In fact, its listed in the same list as Thou Shall not Kill. What she did, is just as despicable as what he did in my book. Sin begets sin. People don’t respect the sanctity of marriage any longer. Adultery is one of the most hurtful things a person can do to another. There is a reason it is a sin and that adultery is strongly discouraged in almost all societies, because it leads to more pain and suffering like this. Is the husband justified? Of course not. He has also committed a sin against the commandments.


45 posted on 04/06/2009 8:20:52 AM PDT by ChinaThreat (3)
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To: ChinaThreat
Adultery is a sin. In fact, its listed in the same list as Thou Shall not Kill. What she did, is just as despicable as what he did in my book. Sin begets sin. People don’t respect the sanctity of marriage any longer. Adultery is one of the most hurtful things a person can do to another

There are few things on this planet, more dangerous or lethal than a jealous husband.

46 posted on 04/06/2009 8:43:55 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2
There are few things on this planet, more dangerous or lethal than a jealous husband.

Too true. Walk into any law library and pull a volume of criminal case law off the shelf, any year will do. You won't have to flip many pages to find a similar scenario. The children, though, are not usually targets. Unfaithful spouses, their extramarital lovers (or both) are the usual victims. Note also that this applies to jealous wives as well, though those cases are not as numerous.

Sometimes a divorce attorney gets caught in the crossfire (pun intended) and perishes as well. There is no way I'd ever be an attorney who specializes in divorce cases. WAY too dangerous.

47 posted on 04/06/2009 9:14:57 AM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: Charles Martel
Too true. Walk into any law library and pull a volume of criminal case law off the shelf, any year will do. You won't have to flip many pages to find a similar scenario. The children, though, are not usually targets.

That was then...We're now living in 2009, where people walk into churches, and senior centers and start murdering people at random...

48 posted on 04/06/2009 9:19:58 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: B-Chan
Adultery used to be illegal. This is one reason why.

Now it's not even admissible in divorce proceedings. That said, it doesn't excuse this guy for killing his kids.

49 posted on 04/06/2009 1:53:53 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: ChinaThreat
What she did, is just as despicable as what he did in my book.

No, it is not as despicable. What she did, taking the adultery route (and ignoring other factors, such as she got married to this 'gentleman' when she was 13), is that she cheated on him (assuming she was having sex with the other gentleman, since what I've read says she was leaving her husband). Alright, what does that mean? It means she sinned against herself, against her husband, and against God.

What did the husband do?

He went and he killed 5 children ....shooting each of them one by one, because he was left by his wife and he felt bad. He then went to try and get her, but when he could not he decided to kill himself. So, let's see what he did. He sinned against himself (he killed himself, among other things), he sinned against EACH of the children by taking from them their very lives, he sinned against his wife by killing their children, he sinned against his entire family by killing their nieces and nephews and grandkids (as well as his wife's entire family), and sinned against God.

Maybe in your book what she did and what he did are equal, but in my book what the man did is greatly beyond what the woman did. And by 'greatly' I mean beyond any measurable metric.

People have been cheated on for generations, and it will continue to be so until the world comes to an end. It is hurtful, I'm sure, and the person cheated on is left with very many questions. However, that does not make it right to go and slaughter innocents who had nothing to do with whatever was going on with the spouse! Furthermore, going on a killing spree is not equal to adultery.

Sure, both are sins and both are destructive, but saying that cheating on one's spouse (as bad as that is) is as despicable as a parent murdering all of their children one by one while they sleep .....well, there is something very wrong with you!

Keeping the sabbath day Holy is also in the ten commandments ....it is on the same list as 'thou shalt not kill.' In olden times it was strictly interpreted, to the point that the religious authorities used it against Christ and his disciples when they started picking some grains of wheat to nibble on as they walked. Christ showed their hypocrisy when he talked about rescuing one's beast of burden if it falls in a hole during the Sabbath.

Adultery is a horrible sin ....but it can be forgiven, if not by the cheated-on spouse then by God if the cheating spouse repents. However, even if you repent after the murder of YOUR CHILDREN, how exactly will they come back to life?

The two are anything but equal.

50 posted on 04/07/2009 1:42:21 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: spetznaz

If you want to add different weight to sins listed in the 10 Commandments, go right ahead. But you are participating in the human rationalization of sin, which is a slippery slope. Judgement is not for you, it is for God. God felt it necessary for these commandments to be given to his people. He did not weight them when he gave them. And all 10 of them were provided in the same list.

You are missing the whole point. Adultery leads to death. God knows this. Sin begets more sin. The fact of the matter is, both are forgivable in God’s eyes. They are both deadly sins in God’s eyes. Do you know how many times adultery has lead to death in this world? Its too numerous to count.

When you start to weigh them with your human (imperfect) opinions, you are clouding God’s intent with your own imperfected eye. Believe what you want, both of these people are guilty of sin in God’s eyes. Its either sin or its not sin.


51 posted on 04/07/2009 7:46:38 AM PDT by ChinaThreat (3)
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To: BlessingsofLiberty

Yeah...just venting (after divorce and children problems)... I actually think this guy was nuts! Can understand a little bit about his anger though with the court favoring the women etc... Oh well, got that off my chest.

At least in my case, I was able to get custody of the children and rightfully so... That is not the case in so many of these divorces. Rant over...


52 posted on 04/12/2009 1:26:16 PM PDT by Deagle
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