Posted on 04/20/2009 3:08:13 AM PDT by BykrBayb
The case of a 13-year-old Arizona girl strip-searched by school officials looking for ibuprofen pain-reliever will be heard by the U.S. Supreme Court this week.
The justices in January accepted the Safford school district case for review, and will decide whether a campus setting gives school administrators greater discretion to control students suspected of illegal activity than police are allowed in cases involving adults in general public spaces.
The case is centered around Savana Redding, now 19, who in 2003 was an eighth-grade honors student at Safford Middle School, about 127 miles from Tucson, Arizona. Redding was strip-searched by school officials after a fellow student accused her of providing prescription-strength ibuprofen pills.
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Redding was pulled from class by a male vice principal, escorted to an office, where she denied the accusations.
A search of Redding's backpack found nothing. Then, although she never had prior disciplinary problems, a strip search was conducted with the help of a school nurse and Wilson's assistant, both females. According to court records, she was ordered to strip to her underwear and her bra was pulled out. Again, no drugs were found.
In an affidavit, Redding said, "The strip search was the most humiliating experience I have ever had. I held my head down so that they could not see that I was about to cry."
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I’ve always wondered about the type of people who, with all the political causes out there, choose freedom to take drugs as their favorite. Not being a drug user I might not be as familiar with the excesses of the WOD as you are, but in general I think that laws directed at restricting the use of highly addictive substances are not necessarily bad.
And when someone can't counter an argument they inevitably go to personal attacks, assuming I am a drug user or I support drug users... not a good way to counter a factual argument.
If you have read any of my posts around FR then YOU would know my main "thing" is the Constitution and therefore any thing that violates it I take an interest in.
“And when someone can’t counter an argument they inevitably go to personal attacks, assuming I am a drug user or I support drug users... not a good way to counter a factual argument.”
While I’ll admit that my comment was somewhat of a cheap shot, the underlying question is legitimate. With so many egregious violations of the constitution being committed for decades, there have to be better fights to pick than worrying about laws that mainly effect drug abusers. There are plenty of law abiding, hard working people whose rights get trampled every day. I am much more concerned with fighting for them. When those fights are done, maybe I will be more sympathetic to the dopers.
No it was a pitiful, but not unexpected cheap shot... But it gave me a great idea... to bury the dagger per se...I now dedicate my previous post to you...sir Hacklehead Great Defender of the Constitution... in moderation of course.
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After writing my last post I had to sit her and just shake my head, many of you come to Free Republic to keep up on current event and share your views on a myriad of subjects so most here are very well informed and thoughtful... But I am also completely amazed with the number of people that don't practice what they preach.
I am talking about the Constitutionalists Freepers and Conservatives in general, who believe that our founders designed and implemented the blueprint for any successful society...
How can someone on one hand preach the founders intent on Individuality, Personal Responsibility and a restricted Government and on the other hand, arbitrarily strip a citizen of his rights, property and freedom for no other reason than the citizen likes to put a "drug" that someone else does not like, in THEIR OWN body.
If "enlightened" and "knowledgeable" Freepers can't get it, how can the average idiot.
...AOV goes back to reading Atlas Shrugged and prepares for his demise...
Passing laws is addictive and destructive to the individual as well as society.
Advil?
Frigging schools.
Sand, meet head. Meathead.
You, sir, are living in a delusional fantasy world.
You, sir, are living in a delusional fantasy world.
Yeah that's what they told all the Anti-prohibition activists back then, as for the "delusional fantasy" part.. you could'nt think of a better counter to the argument... sad very sad.
Untold billions being spent every year for what? This "war" has been raging for over 30 years and you know what the feds got for the buck... nothing except the rights they have stripped from you... Go to the Airport with a sizable sum of your money and have it forfeited because you can't prove it NOT drug related... wake up one night and your door is being kicked in on a "No Knock Drug Warrant", oops their bad, wrong house and tough crap for the damage and or deaths...
No I'm afraid the "fantasy world" is all yours for putting faith in a program that even government officials are calling a failure.
Because I’ve been in more drug legalization threads than I care to count. You want to look them up, be my guest. I’ve heard every excuse in the book from you folks, and none has yet to be convincing. You have all these ludicrous theories on how it will all be Nirvana if only we legalized all this crap and you don’t have one f**king clue what’s going to happen. But it ain’t gonna be what you think it is. No, what it is is pure selfishness on you drug afficianadoes parts. It’s all an excuse to f**k yourselves up without “The Man” getting in the way of your good time. Well, sorry ace. Because unless you’re living on a deserted island with no friends, family or neighbors to give two $hits about you, it DOES affect the rest of us.
You’re using this absurd situation at this school to get on your little soapbox and act all indignant. The problem in this case has NOTHING to do with drugs, it has to do with the public schools themselves. The allegation could’ve been over stolen money, cigarettes, or a weapon or some other item with the same thing happening with respect to a strip search. But hey, don’t let that stop you from going off on an anti-WOD tangent. Hey, what if the kid brought a flask of Bourbon or some Marlboros ? That’s already legal. How you gonna spin that one, ace ?
I like the way you just toss around your views, accusations and “experience” as fact with absolutely nothing to back it up, I have history on my side... so as I did with Hacklehead, I hereby re-dedicate my previous post to you... ALL HAIL... Sir fieldmarshaldj Great Defender of the the Glorious “Drug War”... With blinders on I might add.
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After writing my last post I had to sit here and just shake my head, many of you come to Free Republic to keep up on current event and share your views on a myriad of subjects so most here are very well informed and thoughtful... But I am also completely amazed with the number of people that don’t practice what they preach.
I am talking about the Constitutionalists Freepers and Conservatives in general, who believe that our founders designed and implemented the blueprint for any successful society...
How can someone on one hand preach the founders intent on Individuality, Personal Responsibility and a restricted Government and on the other hand, arbitrarily strip a citizen of his rights, property and freedom for no other reason than the citizen likes to put a “drug” that someone else does not like, in THEIR OWN body.
If “enlightened” and “knowledgeable” Freepers can’t get it, how can the average idiot.
...AOV goes back to reading Atlas Shrugged and prepares for his demise...
You don’t have anything on your side but a load of bullcrap with a heavy dose of pure, raw and unadulterated selfishness and delusional fantasy, the same M.O. of every pro-druggie fiend. I note how you totally dodged my point that the subject of this thread has nothing to do with WOD in the least, but that still doesn’t stop you to just keep on going with your nonsense.
Tell you what, you point out the exact wording in the Constitution that tells me you and your drug-loving buddies have a God-given right to your toxic and deadly substances that pose a clear and present danger to the public. I’m sure it’s right next to the part guaranteeing the right to gay marriage, abortion and religion being purged from all aspects of society. But do carry on.
Oh, and wait, I’ve got nothing to back it up ? As if YOU have anything to back up your crap but sheer speculation and the aforementioned delusional nonsense ? Tell ya what, ace. I’ll give you one. Your lovely toxic substances for which you are so excited and hungering for had a lovely effect on a former classmate of mine. Yes, one wonderful evening while he and his young wife were having a get together, he pulled out a gun and blew his wife’s brains out all over the coffee table. But, wait ! There’s more ! Yes, then he went outside to a shed and then ate his gun. All the while his 2 young children were sleeping. Yessirree, they went to bed with two parents and woke up with two corpses. So you can just go and continue on with your delusional fantasies about how all the crime will just “go away” if only we legalized these wonderful substances. You can just explain to those kids, whom will never know their parents, that that can’t possibly be. It’s all just fantasy, you see. Only it isn’t. It’s a nightmare.
So is ibuprofen. The little girl wasn't sexually molested because of any illegal drug. She wasn't molested because we as a society have agreed to stop the flow of drug money to terrorists. A drug addict might tell you otherwise, but don't be drawn into their dangerous, wrong-headed delusions. They're as experienced at rationalizing as any pedophile.
“No it was a pitiful, but not unexpected cheap shot... But it gave me a great idea... to bury the dagger per se...I now dedicate my previous post to you...sir Hacklehead Great Defender of the Constitution... in moderation of course.”
Your graciousness is underwhelming. Clearly my first impression of you was correct. Enjoy beating your head against a brick wall, stoner.
The stoners have gotten us off the real issue, when is it appropriate to strip search a young girl? I think reasonable people would agree that it shouldn’t be for suspecting she had some advil in violation of school policy. I think it says alot about the poor quality and judgement of the people we currently have running our schools.
Drugs...Guns ... serves for arguing banning either
Hard cases make bad law.
Ah back from a hard days work and I see a couple of people still showing their lack of knowledge about current events...
Lets make it simple for the simple people... War on Drugs = any drug to some government employees, they must have attended the same classes as some on this thread.
I believe the way out of this mess is ceasing the "War on Drugs"... before you usual characters start your "stoner and heroin addicts roaming the streets" rant... as stated before; the country went through this same problem during prohibition, corruption at every level of government, high crime, boot legging etc., violations of civil rights. when prohibition was ended there was no national epidemic of drunks prowling the streets looking for their next fix of alcohol... Complete straw man argument.
The underlying cause of the strip search was the "drug" she was "suspected" of having, this type of stuff has been going in schools for awhile, drug testing athletes, band members... even members of the frigging book club. If it were not for the "War On Drugs" the girl would never have been strip searched, that you cannot deny!
We have due process laws, Oh you might like what they are doing now... like going after those "stoners"... that is until they change the law to include something you like or use, then it will be you screaming about undue government intervention into your personal affairs.
By allowing the Government to make the rules on the where your Constitutional Rights begin and end, you are on the proverbial "Slippery Slope"... It is none of the Governments business what a person does, as long as their actions do not impact another citizens Life, Liberty or Pursuit of happiness. and when that happens we have laws, judges and juries to sort out the facts.
The "War on Drugs" IS a war on YOUR rights, People must fight for all rights, not just the ones you like, do other wise at your own peril... because sooner or later it will come full circle.
Of course. They’ve infested the internet from day #1.
Public schools have been screwed up for a long time, and this is just yet another example of their insanity. These are the same schools that you need umpteen forms of ID and Doctor notes just to take a f**king aspirin, but they’ll take the same young lady to the abortionist without telling her folks. Sick.
Why don’t you knock off the propagandic bullcrap and answer the questions I put to you ?
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