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Ancient 'hobbit' humans new species after all: study
http://www.breitbart.com/index.php ^ | 5-6-09 | not given

Posted on 05/06/2009 11:40:30 AM PDT by WL-law

Diminutive humans whose remains were found on the remote Indonesian island of Flores in 2003 truly are a new species, and not pygmies whose brains had shrivelled with disease, researchers reported Wednesday.

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Many scientists have said H. floresiensis were prehistoric humans descended from homo erectus, stunted by natural selection over millennia through a process called insular dwarfing.

Others countered that even this evolutionary shrinking, well known in island-bound animals, could not account for the hobbit's chimp-sized grey matter of barely more than 400 cubic centimetres, a third the size of a modern human brain.

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A team led by William Jungers of the Stony Brook University in New York tackled the problem from the other end by analysing the hobbit's foot.

In some ways it is very human. The big toe is aligned with the others and the joints make it possible to extend the toes as the body's full weight falls on the foot, attributes not found in great apes.

But, in other respects, it is startlingly primitive: far longer than its modern human equivalent, and equipped with a very small big toe, long, curved lateral toes, and a weight-bearing structure closer to a chimpanzee's.

Recent archeological evidence from Kenya shows that the modern foot evolved more than 1.5 million years ago, most likely in Homo erectus.

So unless the Flores hobbits became more primitive over time -- a more-than-unlikely scenario -- they must have branched off the human line at an even earlier date.

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Only more fossil evidence will tell us whether the hobbits of Flores evolved from Homo erectus, whose traces have been found throughout Eurasia, or from an even more ancient lineage whose footsteps have not yet been traced outside Africa, he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: flores; godsgravesglyphs; hobbit; homofloresiensis; multiregionalism

1 posted on 05/06/2009 11:40:31 AM PDT by WL-law
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To: WL-law

http://www.simondale.net/house/index.htm

Perhaps some survived.


2 posted on 05/06/2009 11:44:18 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: WL-law

Tom Cruise has finally found his true species.


3 posted on 05/06/2009 11:44:47 AM PDT by BlueStateBlues (Blue State business, Red State heart.........Palin 2012, can't come soon enough.)
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To: WL-law
Homo erectus

Tee hee, tee hee....

4 posted on 05/06/2009 11:45:29 AM PDT by central_va (www.15thVirginia.org Co. C, Patrick Henry Rifles)
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG ping


5 posted on 05/06/2009 11:45:30 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (TSA and DHS are jobs programs for people who are not smart enough to flip burgers)
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To: WL-law; SunkenCiv
"...from an even more ancient lineage whose footsteps have not yet been traced outside Africa, he said."

I vote for this one.

They're related to these folks:

Stranger In A New Land (Archaeology)

6 posted on 05/06/2009 11:46:04 AM PDT by blam
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To: WL-law
Anyone that doubts that hobbits exist need only look at a picture of Senator Mikulski:


7 posted on 05/06/2009 11:49:08 AM PDT by Lizavetta (Politicians: When they're not lying, they're stealing.)
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To: WL-law

Yes, but were those feet furry?


8 posted on 05/06/2009 11:51:03 AM PDT by Wneighbor
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To: Lizavetta

That’s Mikulski? I thought that was Vicky Proudfoot, Bilbo Baggin’s cousin.


9 posted on 05/06/2009 11:53:51 AM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: anniegetyourgun
Perhaps some survived.

All joking aside, there have been persistent reports from the jungles of Indonesia of small, bipedal hominids, called the Orang-Pendak. These reports had enough credibility that MIT sent a team of researchers to Indonesia to try to obtain some physical evidence. Is it possible that today's Orang-Pendak (if it really exists) is a relict population of this creature?

10 posted on 05/06/2009 11:55:49 AM PDT by CommerceComet
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To: CommerceComet

Yeah, but do they build their houses with round doors?


11 posted on 05/06/2009 11:58:02 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun

Uh...that didn’t come out right. They probably build their houses with tools!


12 posted on 05/06/2009 11:58:43 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: WL-law

ID spam in 5....4.....3....2....


13 posted on 05/06/2009 12:00:15 PM PDT by Pistolshot (The Soap-box, The Ballot-box, The Jury-box, And The Cartridge-Box ...we are past 2 of them.)
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To: Lizavetta

She might not be very tall but boy is she wide.


14 posted on 05/06/2009 12:03:47 PM PDT by Jaxter (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum.)
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To: WL-law

A little bump for later reading.


15 posted on 05/06/2009 12:04:33 PM PDT by techcor (I hope Obama succeeds... in becoming a one term president.)
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To: WL-law

Right. Bring out the Java man for another tour.


16 posted on 05/06/2009 12:09:01 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: WL-law

Calling Bilbo Baggins!


17 posted on 05/06/2009 12:10:26 PM PDT by TBP
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To: ecurbh; HairOfTheDog; Corin Stormhands; TalonDJ; JenB; g'nad; 2Jedismom; RosieCotton; SuziQ; ...

pingie thingie

(Sorry to those I missed)


18 posted on 05/06/2009 12:11:47 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (Keep your powder dry, and your iron hidden.)
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To: TBP
Nobody calls for Bilbo like this guy
19 posted on 05/06/2009 12:19:04 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: CommerceComet
I think I recall the "Hobbit" find was troubling to scientists because it appeared this population was viable until fairly recently, i.e., within the last 100,000 years. Accepted science cannot tolerate another viable population of Homo surviving so far into the era of "modern" man so finds like this are labled "ape."

How are they gonna handle this?

20 posted on 05/06/2009 12:22:51 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: WL-law

“Chimp-sized grey matter...” So there were democrats way back then?


21 posted on 05/06/2009 1:32:10 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: count-your-change
Homo Erectus And The Emergence Of Sunda In The Tethys Realm

Fossils of “Java Man” were first found on that Southeast Asian island 112 years ago. Although their origin was not recognized at the time, the finds represented Homo erectus, an early human species that presumably evolved in equatorial Africa more than 2 million years ago. But the how, why, and when of Homo erectus’ trek from Africa to island Southeast Asia have always been difficult questions."

22 posted on 05/06/2009 1:52:14 PM PDT by blam
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To: WL-law

Minatogawa People (An Asian Neanderthal?)

23 posted on 05/06/2009 1:57:22 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

How a gibbon skull cap became united with a human bone is less difficult to answer, it’s called fantasy.


24 posted on 05/06/2009 2:20:09 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: blam
The pattern there is obvious. The entire Old World is the seat of mankind.

Who woulda thunk it was a recliner? ;^)

25 posted on 05/06/2009 2:40:47 PM PDT by TigersEye (Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: WL-law

Bilbo lives?


26 posted on 05/06/2009 3:31:12 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (yEP,i)
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To: Lizavetta

Look Lizavetta,
This is a troll you show.
NOt a Hobbit. It should be so obvious.


27 posted on 05/06/2009 3:33:07 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (yEP,i)
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To: anniegetyourgun

Annie,
Don’t know if ya’ve ever watched two and a half men?
They have a round door.
I’ve sat and thought of how I could make mine similar.


28 posted on 05/06/2009 3:35:48 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (yEP,i)
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Thanks blam. We've had one about this, but hey, I like the "hobbits". It remains to be determined whether this one was a Harfoot, Stoor, or Fallohyde.

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29 posted on 05/06/2009 5:21:12 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: WL-law

Will Obama ever release photos of his feet???


30 posted on 05/06/2009 5:48:30 PM PDT by Gator113 (Weak-coward-racist-white hating-lying-traitor= Surrender Monkey in Chief-B. Hussein Obama...)
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