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George Tiller (Child Murderer) shot to death at Wichita church
Wichita Eagle ^ | 05/30/2009 | Stan Finger

Posted on 05/31/2009 9:35:48 AM PDT by Kansas58

Kansas Abortionist George Tiller was shot today as he was going to Church.

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To: Kansas58
Well said. Right now there is a candlelight vigil going on for Tiller, it's on Fox and assuredly the POS networks as well.

I don't need to wonder how many candle holders had a vigil when Tiller killed babies, it would blow my mind (in a grateful way) to know there was just one who got a tombstone.

I would have loved to have saved one or all of those babies, but I wouldn't have wanted to kill their killer.

Whether it's God Will or not, Tiller is dead, I will not mourn his loss, and frankly am disturbed that a community will come together in grief over a baby killer in the exact same manner that each and every one of them would if one of their children suddenly disappeared.

The irony leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

1,351 posted on 05/31/2009 7:29:28 PM PDT by 4woodenboats (Obama Voodoo economics - Thuggery, sleight of hand, temper tantrums & spitting on OUR dreams.)
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To: LonghornFreeper
I think many are becoming cautious about what they post. No one trust what the Obama people will end up doing to those who speak up or write against their agenda. People need to start counting the cost and be wise before they post everything they think. That is not to say that one may not want the truth out at any personal cost.
1,352 posted on 05/31/2009 7:29:46 PM PDT by Bellflower (The end of this age is near but the beginning of the next glorious one is coming!)
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To: Kansas58

Because shooting people for any reason other than self defense is wrong. Attempting to justify the reasons behind this act fall just as short as they do with government’s mandating of “choice”.

It is impossible to defend this cold-blooded and cowardly act. You have a lot of gall to accuse God of masterminding this.

I’m finished with posting to you.


1,353 posted on 05/31/2009 7:34:48 PM PDT by prairiebreeze ( Pretender-in-Chief Barack Hussein Obama....an arrogant embarrassment.)
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To: Kansas58
I have taken some flack for how I posted this item.

However, “He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword” would seem to apply to Tiller and to the shooter, equally, would it not?

So, how can anyone claim that I support the shooting of Tiller?

My quote, from Jesus no less, does not absolve Tiller or Tillers shooter from judgment by God.

1,354 posted on 05/31/2009 7:34:57 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: wardaddy

Jesus commands that we love our enemies and pray for those who persecute you.

The man is dead, and the fallout from this will damage the pro life community. If you haven’t noticed, the current president and administration are very nervous about it anyway.


1,355 posted on 05/31/2009 7:36:16 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: prairiebreeze
Well, then you are a bit weak in your ability to argue a rational point.

I don't presume to know “God's will” in this, but I do know that HE has a plan, and that God often uses bad people to carry out His plan.

I have NOT justified the shooting. I have NEVER advocated violence to promote the prolife cause.

However, I refuse to wear sack cloth and ashes, I refuse to flagellate myself, I refuse to apologize, for a situation CREATED BY OUR OWN GOVERNMENT!

Allow us to have the laws that we want, and the people will not behave outside of those laws.

“Consent of the governed” it is called!

You are a bit too pious and preachy.

Get over yourself.

1,356 posted on 05/31/2009 7:39:08 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: BigSkyFreeper

can u say omnipotence?


1,357 posted on 05/31/2009 7:41:08 PM PDT by southparkNationalist (I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. I will face my fear and let it pass through me.)
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To: nufsed

Yes, that is my answer, because killing someone for political reasons, regardless of how morally despicable the person being killed is, is terrorism in my opinion. And if your going to get on your high horse and tell me about some moral obligation to kill abortionists then maybe you should practice what you preach. If you’re true to your beliefs then I expect to see your mugshot in tomorrow’s newspaper and on the morning news.


1,358 posted on 05/31/2009 7:41:21 PM PDT by Victory Rocks (Sarah Palin 2012! The right woman, for the right job, at the right time!)
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To: Kansas58
Based on all the arguments in this thread, I am reminded of that idiotic bumper sticker that says "Don't like abortion? Then don't have one."

Someone needs to publish a bumper-sticker that says "Don't like shooting child-murdering partial-birth abortionists? Then don't shoot one."
1,359 posted on 05/31/2009 7:42:22 PM PDT by LonghornFreeper
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To: Kansas58
To quote Curly Bill in Tombstone:

Well, bye.

And I'll add: "Please say hi to the pederasts when you get there".

1,360 posted on 05/31/2009 7:48:06 PM PDT by AZ .44 MAG (A society that doesn't protect its children doesn't deserve to survive.)
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To: southparkNationalist

How does “omnipotence” relate to Tiller? He was anything but.


1,361 posted on 05/31/2009 7:49:49 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: LonghornFreeper

VERY GOOD POINT!


1,362 posted on 05/31/2009 7:50:52 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: LonghornFreeper
So, are our brave soldiers "murderers"? Would someone who stood up to genocide in Rwanda, or Zimbabwe, or Hitler's Germany have been a murderer? Or are you and many others here just hypocrites?

The soldiers, in that they do their killings under orders and in combat. No. The others, well there has been a lot of interesting debate.

Dietrich Bonhoeffer is a personal hero of mine. He was a Lutheran pastor who stood up to the Nazi's, to the point of being involved in the bomb plot. He was later killed as a result.

He is a hero in the US, but not in Germany. The reason? He crossed the line in attempting to murder the ruler of the state. Many Christians, both Lutheran and Catholic, in Germany feel that was unjustified. Helping someone escape the camps? Great. Attempting to over through the State? Not so, and evil.

They remind that Paul said to pray for the Emperor, even while the same emperor was killing Christians. He didn't say to go out an kill him.

Now, I have read enough of Bonhoffer's writings to know that he did not take that step lightly. And he knew that by taking up the sword, he would die by it. In the USA, we applaud those who tried to end the war by killing Hitler. But in Europe, they are not viewed in such a kind light. Either in Germany or out of it. The Church has often said that violent overthrow of existing rulers by their subjects is not justified in most cases. We never here that in the US, but if you ask a devout Christian from Europe you will.

1,363 posted on 05/31/2009 7:51:52 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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Is there any possibility that Hussein put someone up to this just to make the pro-life movement look bad?


1,364 posted on 05/31/2009 7:52:17 PM PDT by jpav0923
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To: Kansas58

I do not feel any sadness over his death. While I do not support acts of violence such as this, Tiller’s hands were drenched in the blood of innocent babies, and it is easy to see how such heinous acts could drive someone over the edge like this.

I’m sorry that you chose murder as a career, Mr. Tiller. I am equally sorry that only now, as God passes his judgement upon you, you can understand that the killing of babies has consequences, both in life and in death.

To choose to condemn your own soul to hell is a terrible, terrible choice to make, and I’ll bet right now you wish you would have taken a different path when you had the chance to.


1,365 posted on 05/31/2009 7:54:33 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (When you put Democrats in charge, stupid things happen)
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To: buccaneer81
Nope.

They are tying it to FReepers and 'hatemongers' like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, and other conservatives who 'encourage this kind of hatred and Xtian Jihad/Taliban behavior', saying everyone on FR is celebrating and planning to do this to other abortion doctors/providers--very scary to read the comments over at the DUmp--talking about 'rounding up' FReepers and other 'right wing white Xtian domestic terrorists', etc.! :-(

Actual quote from here:
"There are still freepers and murderers out there."
1,366 posted on 05/31/2009 7:57:44 PM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
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To: pillut48
There are lefties out there that care much more about terrorists at GITMO than the do about the civil rights of any prolifer!
1,367 posted on 05/31/2009 8:06:32 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Darren McCarty
yep...sums up what I've felt all day

we're closing on a new home tomorrow after being in one place for 8 years yet this is all my wife and I and all our Sunday kinfolks have talked about

1,368 posted on 05/31/2009 8:07:55 PM PDT by wardaddy (Obama .....you are not my friend. You are an enemy of this nation and my culture and traditions)
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To: redgolum

Sorry I don’t think like you and Jesus can deal with me and my refusal to be a loving forgiving pacifist when I’m dead...which probably is much closer to this time than my birth was.


1,369 posted on 05/31/2009 8:10:51 PM PDT by wardaddy (Obama .....you are not my friend. You are an enemy of this nation and my culture and traditions)
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To: redgolum
They remind that Paul said to pray for the Emperor, even while the same emperor was killing Christians. He didn't say to go out an kill him.

IOW, "Hate the sin, not the sinner".

1,370 posted on 05/31/2009 8:12:20 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: Darren McCarty

http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/RusePBAonTrial.pdf


1,371 posted on 05/31/2009 8:17:28 PM PDT by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: DesertRhino

God told the Israelites to dispossess the natives of the promised land why? Oh, because they were, among other things, SACRIFICING THEIR CHILDREN BY FIRE. Guess what God told the Israelites? If you do the same things they did, YOU TOO WILL BE JUDGED. Judah did do it. And they were judged. We do it. And we will be judged. Sacrificing children is the abomination that causes desolation. God does the judging and avenging.


1,372 posted on 05/31/2009 8:17:34 PM PDT by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: pillut48
Well, "they" can whine and moan all they wish about Tiller being shot, "they" can try and blame me and others who believe abortion is murder and by stating so publicly we encourage murdering Doctors who preform abortions.

However the truth of the matter is 99% of us do not condone murdering people who perform abortions however most of us will not lose sleep over the matter either.

Doc Tiller chose his own path, he may have talked himself into a position of believing he was not murdering babies but I guarantee you he considered more than once the life of a child he ended.

No same human could avoid such thoughts.

And thus he knew there are many who live in the USA who would harbor murderous intent towards him and his family. We all chose our own path and thus we all have some say in the danger we place our own lives in. Has anyone heard of a Doctor getting killed because he would not perform an Abortion? Tiller had as much to do with his own death as anyone else who takes on a risky profession. The obvious choice is if you wish to live a long and happy life do not engage in activity that places you in danger daily.

1,373 posted on 05/31/2009 8:20:48 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (will work for bailout bonus.... Twitter: maddawggmorgan)
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To: BenLurkin
Why would an abortionist go to church?

That's what I was thinking. You'd think he would have burst into flames as soon as he walked in the door.

1,374 posted on 05/31/2009 8:20:58 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: DesertRhino

Have you read what Jesus does with the word of His mouth upon His return?
Rev 19:11 I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. 12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.”[a] He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:
KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and mighty men, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, small and great.”

Rev 19:19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to make war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21 The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.”


1,375 posted on 05/31/2009 8:27:49 PM PDT by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: jpav0923
Is there any possibility that Hussein put someone up to this just to make the pro-life movement look bad?

I also thought about that. I remember one of the school shootings happened because an anti gun zealot (member of Brady) gave the kid the gun. I also remember that part of the story wasn't well reported.

1,376 posted on 05/31/2009 8:29:20 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Soothesayer
"... The POS who killed Tiller has destroyed any chance of ending legalized abortion for another 100 years at least. Now things can only get worse.

I respectfully disagree with you.

The ensuing coverage will enable the pro-life side get their evidence out to the general public. To see viable babies in pieces?

I think that is a great benefit to be derived from this act of homicide. Don't forget, the man thought Tiller as Dr. Mengele.

"I also do not rule out the possibility of seeing legalized toddler murder within the next 20 years. America will be ready for it by then."

That's preposterous.

1,377 posted on 05/31/2009 8:34:52 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: DCPatriot

Agree in part.

There have been 8 previous abortionists who have been shot.

Actually, abortionists were pretty safe when they thought Bush and Congress might protect some of the babies.

Now? A frustrated and unstable and impatient person took the law into his own hands.

Wrong, but predictable.


1,378 posted on 05/31/2009 8:42:02 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: DCPatriot

Will it? Or will we discover that a great many people are no longer bothered by seeing viable babies lying in pieces?

As for the second part, I know it is not likely. However, we should use the lessons learned from the 20th century to remember that there is no nation immune to absolute evil. Germany and Japan were not full of monsters but people very similar to us. Yet look what happened.


1,379 posted on 05/31/2009 8:47:02 PM PDT by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: Kansas58

1,380 posted on 05/31/2009 8:56:15 PM PDT by Kukai
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To: ConservativeTerrapin

How very christian of you


1,381 posted on 05/31/2009 9:06:20 PM PDT by furcht
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To: Kansas58

I look at the killer like another famous Kansan, John Brown. I agreed with John Brown on the issue of abolition but his tactics were not right. Neither was this guy.

Tiller had bought off many politicians and judges with Eugenics money and special interest money.

The killer should get the death penalty if Kansas has one, and Tiller I believe for his crimes, God will render the judgement.


1,382 posted on 05/31/2009 9:06:50 PM PDT by Steelers6
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To: Soothesayer
"... we should use the lessons learned from the 20th century to remember that there is no nation immune to absolute evil. Germany and Japan were not full of monsters but people very similar to us. Yet look what happened."

I've been pointing that out for almost a year...since we heard of Obama's idea for a National Police Force through Homeland Security.

FOXNEWS and O'Reilly are going to be sued. He's #1. Yet, I doubt he can take the position "sh*t happens". He publicly warned Dr. Tiller of Judgment Day.

Finally, they're going to have all of Mr. Roeder's rants and screeds to paint right-wing blogs as dangerous.

1,383 posted on 05/31/2009 9:15:44 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: wmfights
Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!
1,384 posted on 05/31/2009 9:25:10 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: huldah1776

Your premise is that the response to child sacrifice by one group was to send another group in to slaughter everyone, including the children.

That is madness.


1,385 posted on 05/31/2009 9:34:08 PM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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To: Kansas58
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2009/05/31/how-long-will-it-take-media-tag-tiller-murderer-not-part-prolife-movemen

Tiller's killer NOT connected with any prolife groups!

And as the writer notes: the left might be in a bit of trouble here -— how can the left tell us not to fear every Muslim, but then tell us to fear every prolifer?

My point?

There have been 8 abortionists shot since Roe V. Wade.

How many Americans have died from terrorist attacks during that period?

1,386 posted on 05/31/2009 9:37:05 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: DesertRhino

Read Acts 15.

Christians were never supposed to embrace the wrongs of pre-Christian groups, but rather to supersede those pre-Christian groups with a truer and better path.


1,387 posted on 05/31/2009 9:37:06 PM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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To: TheFourthMagi
Your premise is that the response to child sacrifice by one group was to send another group in to slaughter everyone, including the children.

That is madness.

That's Old Testament. That's madness??

1,388 posted on 05/31/2009 9:44:03 PM PDT by morkfork (Candygram for Mongo)
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To: TheFourthMagi

I didn’t write it, I only read it and study it.


1,389 posted on 05/31/2009 9:50:51 PM PDT by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: Kansas58

What’s the big deal? He was for abortion rights. This person merely aborted a person who caused him discomfort.

It was a post middle age abortion.

At least Tiller didn’t have all of his skin burned with acid; or have his arms and legs pulled off one by one, then his head crushed.


1,390 posted on 05/31/2009 9:55:44 PM PDT by tuckrdout (~ 'Daily example is the most subtle of poisons.' ~)
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To: Kansas58

Statement on Killing of Late-Term Abortionist George Tiller 5/31/2009

Wendy Wright, President of Concerned Women for America, and a leader of the Summer of Mercy peaceful protests in Wichita in 1991, stated:

“We are disturbed and saddened to learn that notorious late-term abortionist George Tiller was shot and killed today in Wichita. Through the years, hundreds of thousands of pro-lifers have prayed for George Tiller, peacefully tried to persuade him to end his killing of innocent children and exploitation of women, and actively worked to enforce the laws of Kansas. We were guided by the hope that he would change his ways and find forgiveness in Jesus Christ. As the Bible states, ‘Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign LORD. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?’ (Ezekiel 18:23)

“George Tiller faced on-going charges of misconduct as pro-lifers continued to rely on our civilized system to bring justice. Now, we will rely on the justice system to discover the motive of his alleged killer and expect that the full force of the law will be applied. Politicians, abortion activists, law enforcement and the media should be careful to distinguish between the millions of peaceful pro-lifers who seek the end of abortion and provide compassionate care for pregnant women, and the person who acted as a vigilante. We denounce this act of violence against George Tiller, just as we denounce the violence he committed against unborn babies and women.”

Judy Smith, Director of Concerned Women for America of Kansas, stated, “We have all worked diligently for the rule of law to be restored in Kansas and that the laws duly enacted by our legislators would be followed by everyone, including abortionists. Now someone has usurped the rule of law and taken it into his own hands and rendered vigilante justice rather than allowing the laws and procedures to work. Someone, possibly in their frustration at the slowness of the process, decided not to wait on God for the perfection of justice. It is never right to commit a wrong to make something right.”


1,391 posted on 05/31/2009 10:07:12 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Kansas58

This thread is disgusting! I can’t believe Jim Robinson tolerates the vile comments here. My last comment.

Bye Free Republic.


1,392 posted on 05/31/2009 10:09:17 PM PDT by bellevuesbest
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To: doug from upland

Tiller was the dark side. He was a mass murderer, not only of babies, but of women as well.

Sorry, but he did get what he deserved. Sorry the law didn’t legally execute the man. I don’t condone murder; but one murder being killed by another seems like justice to me.

Tragic was when Bill Cosby’s son was gunned down for no reason. It is the culture of death, spawned by the abortion movement, that made these types of killings common place.

I notice that the FBI is going to beef up protection at abortion clinics. Why? Seems to me, since he was killed at a church, the FBI should direct their security to churches!


1,393 posted on 05/31/2009 10:09:23 PM PDT by tuckrdout (~ 'Daily example is the most subtle of poisons.' ~)
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To: bellevuesbest

You have not posted in two years. We will say a fond farewell to you and all your contributions.

Bellevuesbest cannot take any more
Vile comments shake him to the core
We say live and let live
But advice we will give
Don’t let your *** get hit by the door


1,394 posted on 05/31/2009 10:15:35 PM PDT by doug from upland (10 million views of .HILLARY! UNCENSORED - put some ice on it, witch)
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To: buccaneer81

Mentioned in this article:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-tiller1-2009jun01,0,7068875.story?page=2


1,395 posted on 05/31/2009 10:23:55 PM PDT by Pinkbell
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To: Arkinsaw

Okay, so we better bring our boys home from the war zone then. They are killing people.

Slave owners in this country could legally kill blacks for hundreds of years. Australians could legally shoot aboriginal peoples until the late 20th century. Hitler legally killed Jews. Germans legally killed Jewish babies. That doesn’t make it right!

Tiller killed full term babies, as well as women. Even mentally challenged women. He was a monster. He influenced others to be just was despicable as he was. One could even say his killer followed Tiller’s example of exterminating a life that made the killer’s life harder.

I do not believe it was evil to kill him—I believe it was evil NOT to charge him with murder. It was evil to allow him to continue killing innocents.

Again, sorry, but I think it was a greater good to stop him. He wasn’t your average abortionist.


1,396 posted on 05/31/2009 10:24:43 PM PDT by tuckrdout (~ 'Daily example is the most subtle of poisons.' ~)
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To: 4woodenboats

I found it ironic that Geraldo showed the story of Tiller’s death right next to the story of Casey Anthony.

Casey only killed one baby. Tiller killed thousands.


1,397 posted on 05/31/2009 10:28:08 PM PDT by tuckrdout (~ 'Daily example is the most subtle of poisons.' ~)
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To: bellevuesbest

Why?

You can not tolerate those who disagree with you?

You need to get some courage, and face the horror that abortion has become, in this country.

To say we understand the motives of the shooters does not, in any way, say that we encourage such actions.

You do not want to get your hands dirty, or argue important and difficult issues?

Fine, go watch American Idol or whatever shallow thing you would rather do with your time.


1,398 posted on 05/31/2009 10:36:36 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58

What church?


1,399 posted on 05/31/2009 10:37:22 PM PDT by Salvation ( With God all things are possible.)
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To: anniegetyourgun
Annie
With all do respect, I like CWA, but Wendy Wright came on the scene, at the Summer of Mercy, rather late in the game.

She showed up at a very large rally at the WSU stadium.

She also sent out lots of fund raising letters.

1,400 posted on 05/31/2009 10:38:38 PM PDT by Kansas58
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