Drake, former SBC officer, says he's praying for Obama to die (Southern Baptist Conference)

Associated Baptist Press ^ | June 03, 2009 | Bob Allen

[tlb]

NEW YORK (ABP) -- A former Southern Baptist Convention officer who on June 2 called the death of abortion provider George Tiller an answer to prayer said later in the day he is also praying "imprecatory prayer" against President Obama.

Wiley Drake, pastor of First Southern Baptist Church in Buena Park, Calif., and former running mate of American Independent Party presidential candidate Alan Keyes, said June 2 on Fox News Radio he didn't understand why people were upset with his comments quoted by Associated Baptist Press from a webcast of his daily radio talk show.

"Imprecatory prayer is agreeing with God, and if people don't like that, they need to talk to God," Drake told syndicated talk-show host Alan Colmes. "God said it, I didn't. I was just agreeing with God."

Asked if there are others for whom Drake is praying "imprecatory prayer," Drake hesitated before answering that there are several. "The usurper that is in the White House is one, B. Hussein Obama," he said.

Later in the interview, Colmes returned to Drake's answer to make sure he heard him right.

"Are you praying for his death?" Colmes asked.

"Yes," Drake replied.

"So you're praying for the death of the president of the United States?"

"Yes."

"If he does not turn to God and does not turn his life around, I am asking God to enforce imprecatory prayers that are throughout the Scripture that would cause him death, that's correct."

Drake said he didn't pray for Tiller to be murdered -- only that God would take his life by some method -- but that he "absolutely" believed that God wanted the doctor dead.

"I believe the whole Bible, Alan," he explained. "I don't just preach part of it. I don't just preach the soft, fuzzy, warm stuff where we're supposed to be nice to everybody. I preach the whole Bible."

Part of the Bible, Drake claimed, is imprecatory prayer -- words of judgment in the Psalms prayed back to God -- a practice he said the church has lost.

"This whole concept that we're always to pray little, nice, soft, fluffy, prayers -- that we're not to pray imprecatory prayer -- has been something that just, in all honesty, that Southern Baptists have lost, and we need to regain imprecatory prayer," Drake said. "It is in the Bible, and we are proud to say as Southern Baptists that we believe the Book. You've got to believe the whole Book, brother, or you don't believe any of it."

Asked if he claimed to know God's will, Drake replied: "In some cases I do. Not in all cases. I know this, that if I do die right now, I'll go to heaven when I die because I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. That's why I'll go to heaven and not to hell. And the reason George Tiller went to hell when he died was not because he killed babies, as terrible as that was. If he went to hell, and I think he did -- that's God's judgment and not mine -- but if he did go to hell it's because he did not accept Jesus Christ as his personal Lord and Savior."

Drake said he did not believe Tiller's accused killer is a pro-life Christian.

"I'm of the opinion -- and now everybody's going to say 'There goes Wiley down the conspiracy-theory road,' I'm of the opinion that somebody in the Obama camp had this guy killed."

"Who benefits the most from this man killing a doctor?" Drake asked. "We certainly don't. Pro-life people certainly don't. It hurts us. It damages us, but Obama will indeed advance it. This will be one of those crises to take advantage of, and he's already done that."

Drake said he had no evidence and admitted his opinion for now is "pure speculation."

[Star Traveler]

You said — GOING TO POTtery.

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I’m reminded of this when I hear “pottery”... :-)

The Great Passion Play Parables of the Potter in Eureka Springs, Arkansas
http://www.eurekareservationcenter.com/parablesofthepotter.htm

I’ve been there and seen him. It’s quite a good presentation, using the potter’s wheel and him talking all the while he is making something...

[Melas]

You’re probably right that if #1 and #2 where law, then you wouldn’t have to worry about #3 and #4. However, that completely misses the point.

If abortion is illegal, regardless of the penalty, then the doctor, the staff and everyone involved will know in advance that it’s illegal and what possible penalties they face. If caught, they’ll have the benefit of a trial to establish guilt before any punishment is meted out.

That is a far cry from a lone gunman in a church, a parking lot, or shooting through a kitchen window. Guys like Roeder and Hill aren’t even taking the law into their own hands. They’re making up the law as they go along. That is just intrinsically evil.

As for Drake, the nutbar this thread is about. He obviously smoked a little too much tinfoil. He actually believes that Roeder loves Obama so much that he’s willing to throw his life away to give pro-lifers a black eye. That’s nonsense and anyone who even gives it a second thought is a blooming idiot, yet here we are.

[Star Traveler]

It doesn’t really miss the point, because the point is that abortion is the fault of the parents, and they have to be responsible *first* before anyone else is responsible.

And in regards to Drake, he’s perfectly right in asking God to remove Obama from this earth (and note that he also prays for his salvation, too, first..., just like I was saying). If Obama doesn’t repent, God should remove Obama from this earth...

And like I said, who is going to bring a “charge against God” for doing so... LOL...

[conservativebuckeye]

How can you direct more anger toward the parents than to the devious abortionist. By the way, anyone who advocates the death penalty for parents who commit abortion would get slaughtered in an election.

[conservativebuckeye]

I think Drake is destined to spend eternity with Tiller. This man is an embarrassment to conservatives and Christians and clearly is not filled with the Holy Spirit.

[Star Traveler]

You asked — How can you direct more anger toward the parents than to the devious abortionist. By the way, anyone who advocates the death penalty for parents who commit abortion would get slaughtered in an election.

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That’s the level of responsibility for the killing of babies...

Parents are first on the list, because they’re the ones who want their own babies killed. The abortionist is just doing a job. If there were no babies to kill, the abortionist would be out of business.

I can’t think of *anything* more despicable than parents wanting to kill their own kids... And, we all think the very same way, because when you find some parent killing a kid (and not using an abortionist), the FReepers will *go after* that parent who kills their kids.

Thus, the first level of responsibility and *who drives* this whole industry — is not the abortionist, but it’s the parents who want to kill their own babies....

[Quix]

Thanks.

Have heard of him but never seen him live nor in video, that I can recall.

Thanks for the link.