Skip to comments.Unveiled! Hawaii's 1961 long-form birth certificates
Posted on 07/28/2009 7:34:23 PM PDT by pissant
Images of two 1961 Hawaii birth certificates similar to the one President Obama purportedly has on file have now been unveiled.
The Honolulu Advertiser published photostats of the original long-form birth certificates of twin daughters born to Eleanor Nordyke at Kapi'olani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital Aug. 5, 1961, one day after Obama was supposedly born at the same facility.
The Nordykes' certificates include information missing from the short-form document for Obama published online, including the name of the hospital, the name of the attending physician, name and address of the parents, the race of the parents and the race of the baby.
As WND reported yesterday, Hawaii's director of health responded to the growing controversy over the White House's refusal to release Obama's original long-form birth certificate by issuing a statement about the document in apparent contravention of Hawaiian law.
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I believe it is more likely than not Obama was born in Hawaii,
I believe is more likely he was not. Why would Ann, after just giving birth to her first born, take off a couple of weeks later to Seattle and enroll in school there? Alone. Sr. didn’t want to see his new baby? It makes no sense.
What is your request? I live in the Bay Area but Sacto is no barrier.
I don't recall anything hitting the fan during the campaign other than Crash McCain.
That said, forging newspapers is an inexact science, even 48 years after the fact. How many copies of those two newspaper columns are still in existence?
I wonder if anyone has asked the Nordykes?
You think the BC issue didn’t come up until after the election? WRONG!
The Nordyke twins are the key to this, IMHO. Where is their birth announcement in either Hawaiian paper?
If a copy of the paper turns up with the Nordyke announcement where the Obama announcement is, this will blow wide open.
What is going to be really fun is if they try to fake it NOW and end up caught by a sting. People thought of that and have the announcements for 3 months prior and after. *wink*
It made zero difference in the election. The only people who noticed were FR and some of the HRC supporters. Even if it had managed to get some traction, McCain would have done his best to bury it.
It made a big enough difference that he felt compelled to have Kos and factcheck post that fake crap on the internet.
....I believe is more likely he was not. Why would Ann, after just giving birth to her first born, take off a couple of weeks later to Seattle and enroll in school there? Alone. Sr. didnt want to see his new baby? It makes no sense......
Ann’s life from 17 on doesn’t make a whole lot of sense either...to me anyway.
I think she went back to Seattle to escape the jerk she married until he was gone...as she had friends close by and was probably accepted their previously thus easier to get in, in state tuition etc Autumn semester starts late september in UW...did she keep Jr with her or was mom taking care of him ?
That should be really simple. The sequence of names in both columns is the same, although the surrounding advertising is different. So, if some extant copies have the Nordykes where Bambi is, then we'd have solid evidence of skulduggery! Suddenly, solid proof would turn into solid doubt.
The facts suggest something happened between the two of them around the time Bambi was born. Perhaps, before the blowup (or whatever happened), they had arranged to rent the cottage behind 6085 Kalanianaole Highway, and that's why it's listed in the birth announcment, but they never actually lived there, which explains why no one remembers them there. Unfortunately the owners of the house, Orland and Thelma Lefforge, are no longer with us. It's certainly strange that she would head back to Washington while her parents were in Hawaii, while he, thousands of miles from home, would finish his education in Hawaii.
So is anyone looking at Aug. ‘61 records in British Columbia? I’m itching to, but too far away to go dig.
“Methinks someone faked BHOs document, and forgot to check for sequential integrity.”
We need to know the procedure the hospitals and registrar used back then. It might be that they only forwarded paperwork every few days from the hospital to generate the birth certificates. There’s a date of Aug 11, 1961 stamped at the bottom of both Nordyke’s as “Date Assigned by...”
Remember, 1961 was a lot slower than things are today, no computers or data systems to speak of, and paperwork was done by hand and moved at messenger speed at best.
The part I'd like to know is where the certificate numbers were/are added. It appears to be a Bates-stamped number affixed by the registrar. Most vital records offices I've seen have two or more deputy clerks sharing a single stamp while working on separate stacks of documents, so it is possible that the date / sequential number disagreement is simply the result of one worker being a bit faster than the other.
I've seen enough public records offices that used to divide up the work in that manner (particularly pre-computer) that I view the out-of-sequence numbers as literally "close enough for government work". It's not a smoking gun, by any means.
That is an interesting idea.
Find many people who were born the day before, the day of, and the day after 0bama at the same hospital.
The hospital or Government could have assigned numbers for each day alphabetical. In fact, most things in 61 were sorted aplha before identifying for computer punch cards.