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UPI: 'Birther': She has Obama birth certificate
United Press International ^ | August 4, 2009 | UPI Staff

Posted on 08/04/2009 6:07:57 PM PDT by real_patriotic_american

MISSION VIEJO, Calif., Aug. 4 (UPI) -- A California lawyer who has filed a lawsuit alleging President Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen says she has a copy of his Kenyan birth certificate.

Orly Taitz of Mission Viejo, a leading "birther," filed a motion over the weekend for quick action on her lawsuit, The Orange County Register reported. She acknowledged the Kenyan document might be a forgery and asked U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to request verification from the Kenyan government.

"There are no ready means of authentication except by recovery of the original document," she said in her filing. "It is also apparent ... that political pressure may be brought to bear to destroy all relevant evidence, whether such evidence exists within or outside the borders of the United States of America."

Proof that Obama was born in Hawaii includes his birth certificate there, statements of Hawaiian officials and a birth notice in a Honolulu newspaper.

Taitz's document, described as a certified copy, says Obama was born Aug. 4, 1961, in a hospital in Mombasa. The document is dated Feb. 17, 1964, and stamped Republic of Kenya.

Media Matters for America, a Democratic-leaning watchdog group, says Kenya did not become a Republic until later in 1964.


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The last sentence in this article may not be accurate since Mombasa, Kenya may have been referred to as Republic of Kenya as early as October of 1963.

By the way, "Happy Where's Your Birth Certificate Day."

1 posted on 08/04/2009 6:07:57 PM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: real_patriotic_american
"Proof that Obama was born in Hawaii includes his birth certificate there, statements of Hawaiian officials and a birth notice in a Honolulu newspaper."

Hilarious! All three of these points have already been shown to be extremely weak.

2 posted on 08/04/2009 6:11:53 PM PDT by the anti-liberal
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To: real_patriotic_american

It’s just a journalistic formula. Throw in something from the other side at the end of the story. That’s “balance.”

So, if the Pope gives a speech in favor of charity, goodness, and kindness, there is always a quote at the end from Lesbian Witches for the Advancement of Wickedness.


3 posted on 08/04/2009 6:13:10 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: real_patriotic_american

Hillary is on her way to Nairobi.

Would the ledger books be in Mombasa, where Obama was born, or in Nairobi, the capital?


4 posted on 08/04/2009 6:14:41 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: real_patriotic_american
Proof that Obama was born in Hawaii includes his birth certificate there

False...are these people capable of research?

5 posted on 08/04/2009 6:14:43 PM PDT by Always Right (The Brown Shirt Media © is coming!)
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To: real_patriotic_american

Fake...but accurate. Has a familiar ring to it.


6 posted on 08/04/2009 6:15:43 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: the anti-liberal

Probably the half-educated reporter doesn’t know the difference between “proof” and “evidence.”


7 posted on 08/04/2009 6:15:59 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan

The bottomline is that Obama will have to present his original birth certificate to authenticate or prove this Kenyan birth certificate to be a forgery (lol).


8 posted on 08/04/2009 6:16:38 PM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: Arthur McGowan

Well, I’m sure Hillary is going there to find out.

You wrote-
“Hillary is on her way to Nairobi.

Would the ledger books be in Mombasa, where Obama was born, or in Nairobi, the capital?”


9 posted on 08/04/2009 6:18:27 PM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: real_patriotic_american
According to Wikipedia entries, Kenya ceased to be a Colonial entity of Britain on the 12th December 1963.

I have a feeling this is going to come to London, surely everything upto becoming a Republic is recorded with our Foreign office?

10 posted on 08/04/2009 6:18:53 PM PDT by bethybabes69 (Between you, and whatever you call God, there is no authority, only an illusion of it.)
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To: real_patriotic_american
Proof that Obama was born in Hawaii includes his birth certificate there, statements of Hawaiian officials and a birth notice in a Honolulu newspaper.

Notice the subtle change to from "has released his birth certificate" to "his birth certificate there." Of course the fact that Sec. of State spokeswoman Janice Obuko just stated that she has "seen" the document proves that the original, long form BC has not been released.

11 posted on 08/04/2009 6:20:19 PM PDT by torchthemummy ("...end up eating a steady diet of government cheese...and living in a van down by the river!" M.F.)
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To: bethybabes69

I sure hope that you can locate his Kenyan birth certificate!

You wrote-
“According to Wikipedia entries, Kenya ceased to be a Colonial entity of Britain on the 12th December 1963.

I have a feeling this is going to come to London, surely everything upto becoming a Republic is recorded with our Foreign office?”


12 posted on 08/04/2009 6:21:21 PM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: torchthemummy

The bottomline is that we need Obama’s original long form birth certificate in court.


13 posted on 08/04/2009 6:23:04 PM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: real_patriotic_american
Anti-birthers are claiming the BC is a forgery and have come forth with some guy from Australia who claims the forgery is based on his BC. I think it much more likely his BC is a forgery based on the Obama one just to throw investigators off the trail. I don't trust these people and my very first inclination is consider anything they say or produce to be of very questionable value, accuracy or veracity.

Like the Gipper said “Trust, but verify!” Amen!

Or as Slick Willy would have said “I'll show you mine if you'll show me yours. In fact, I'll show you mine even if you don't show me yours. Hell's bells, I'll show you mine even if you don't want to see it.” Sneer. Snort.

14 posted on 08/04/2009 6:23:26 PM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America!)
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To: real_patriotic_american

I’m personally convinced the whole “birther” thing helps Obama, the same way having Michael Moore and Cindy Sheehan and the “911 truthers” seen as represening the left helped Bush win reelection. For that reason alone, if I was Obama, I would never release my birht certificate. The people in the middle are rapidly realizing how dangerous Obama’s policies are. The only thing that will stop a conservative resurgence in 2010 is if they view conservatives as a bunch of shrill, crazy kooks.

Anyway, ya’ll have fun with it. I’m out.


15 posted on 08/04/2009 6:25:48 PM PDT by Hugin (Sarah Palin: accept no substitutes!)
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To: Arthur McGowan

What is fuuny is that, if true, Obie has put his dreams in the hands of a Klintoon !! Oh the hilarity of it all. I wonder how fast she use a pocket scanner and send a copy of it to everyone on the planet?


16 posted on 08/04/2009 6:26:07 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (If the Average nObama Voter is Anything Like Peggy Joseph, The Next 4 Years Will Be A Hoot!!!!)
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To: the anti-liberal

Oh come on now. Are you saying the word of a government bureaucrat should ever be called into question?


17 posted on 08/04/2009 6:26:11 PM PDT by jazminerose
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To: real_patriotic_american

Did this just go Nuclear? Happy B-Day, Jag-ass


18 posted on 08/04/2009 6:26:18 PM PDT by TheBigJ
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To: real_patriotic_american

19 posted on 08/04/2009 6:26:23 PM PDT by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: Arthur McGowan

Do you think Hillary would actually retrieve it for Obama? Or keep it for herself?


20 posted on 08/04/2009 6:26:57 PM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: real_patriotic_american
Kenya did not become a Republic until later in 1964

Incorrect...it became a Commonwealth Republic in Dec.1964...and one of the prerequisites was that an applicant country had to be a republic already...interestingly enough, one of the sources for this was Wikepedia...but, it doesn't seem to be on the current Kenya page there. Another interesting fact is that one party rule was incorporated into the Kenyan constitution in Oct. 1964.
21 posted on 08/04/2009 6:28:49 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (Now that the libs are in power dissent is not only unpatriotic, but, it is also racist.)
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To: real_patriotic_american

Mombasa was part of the state of Zanzibar until 12 December 1963 when it was ceded to be incorporated into the newly independent state of Kenya.


22 posted on 08/04/2009 6:29:36 PM PDT by stormer
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To: TheBigJ

“Happy Where’s Your Birth Certificate Day.”


23 posted on 08/04/2009 6:30:31 PM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: crazyhorse691

Read posts #10 and #22. It appears you are incorrect.

From post #10- “According to Wikipedia entries, Kenya ceased to be a Colonial entity of Britain on the 12th December 1963.”


24 posted on 08/04/2009 6:34:11 PM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: stormer

Yes, I’ve read that at several other threads here at FR.

You wrote-
“Mombasa was part of the state of Zanzibar until 12 December 1963 when it was ceded to be incorporated into the newly independent state of Kenya.”


25 posted on 08/04/2009 6:35:55 PM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: Hugin
The people in the middle are rapidly realizing how dangerous Obama’s policies are. The only thing that will stop a conservative resurgence in 2010 is if they view conservatives as a bunch of shrill, crazy kooks.

And protesters at Town Halls are being called right-wing extremists? Look no matter what we do the Dems, via their media pals, will paint us a s such. Thus we must proportionally take on each issue.

I believe in moderation in regards to strategy but as of now, after Hawaii once again claimed to have "seen" the original BC (because they have it in their possession) this comes down to very simple argument about intellectual honesty. If HI says they have "seen" it then it HAS NOT been released. Thus every anti-brther and syncophant leftist from top to bottom can't be allowed to claim that the COLB IS the long form BC. I believe that technically the COLB could be considered sufficient for HI to claim natural born status and thus pass constitutional muster but that does not mean we should cede to the dishonest position of the Obamots.

26 posted on 08/04/2009 6:38:03 PM PDT by torchthemummy ("...end up eating a steady diet of government cheese...and living in a van down by the river!" M.F.)
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To: LucyT

PING!

UPI’s version of Orly Taitz possessing Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate.


27 posted on 08/04/2009 6:39:42 PM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: Aliska

PING!


28 posted on 08/04/2009 6:45:28 PM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: Arthur McGowan
Would the ledger books be in Mombasa, where Obama was born, or in Nairobi, the capital?


29 posted on 08/04/2009 6:45:59 PM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: real_patriotic_american
Government Type: Republic. Independence: December 12, 1963. Constitution: 1963. Branches: Executive--president (chief of state, commander in chief of armed forces), prime minister (head of government), and two deputy prime ministers. Legislative--unicameral National Assembly (parliament). Judicial--Court of Appeal, High Court, various lower and special courts, includes Kadhi (Sharia) courts.

From 1952 to 1959, Kenya was under a state of emergency arising from the "Mau Mau" insurgency against British colonial rule in general and its land policies in particular. This rebellion took place almost exclusively in the highlands of central Kenya among the Kikuyu people. Tens of thousands of Kikuyu died in the fighting or in the detention camps and restricted villages. British losses were about 650. During this period, African participation in the political process increased rapidly.

The first direct elections for Africans to the Legislative Council took place in 1957. Kenya became independent on December 12, 1963, and the next year joined the Commonwealth. Jomo Kenyatta, an ethnic Kikuyu and head of the Kenya African National Union (KANU), became Kenya's first President. The minority party, Kenya African Democratic Union (KADU), representing a coalition of small ethnic groups that had feared dominance by larger ones, dissolved itself in 1964 and joined KANU.

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Looks like the British called it Kenya back then , yes ?

I don't see anything about it being called anything but Kenya in modern history

30 posted on 08/04/2009 6:49:36 PM PDT by KTM rider ( ..........tell me this really isn't happening ! !)
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To: real_patriotic_american

Hillary is already headed to Kenya to “take care of some things”.


31 posted on 08/04/2009 6:50:09 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Obamacare: all the efficiency of the DMV and all the compassion of the IRS.)
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To: real_patriotic_american

Dangerously close to being a full fledged banana republic when we cannot conclude whether our leader is authentic six months + after he assumed power?


32 posted on 08/04/2009 6:50:27 PM PDT by eeriegeno (<p>)
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To: KTM rider

Yes, I read that and I agree with you!


33 posted on 08/04/2009 6:52:46 PM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: real_patriotic_american
If the MSM, which certainly has enough people on the ground in Kenya, doesn't soon put other documents from the same period showing conclusively that the Taitz document has feature or features that are not possible, then I am going to assume that the Taitz document doesn't have any discrepancies with other period documents.

If the AP or the New York Times can debunk this by showing that there are discrepancies with known, authenticated documents, they will do so post haste.

If they don't do this debunking in the next 24 hours, then I think that there's a reasonable chance that the document doesn't have such discrepancies.

34 posted on 08/04/2009 6:53:09 PM PDT by snowsislander (NRA -- join today! 1-877-NRA-2000)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

When Hillary gets there, she might find that she needs to go to the U.K. (lol).

You wrote-
“Hillary is already headed to Kenya to “take care of some things”.”


35 posted on 08/04/2009 6:54:42 PM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: bethybabes69

“I have a feeling this is going to come to London, surely everything upto becoming a Republic is recorded with our Foreign office?”

IF POTUS Obama was indeed born in Kenya and the BC is authentic....a copy would be in England, would it not?


36 posted on 08/04/2009 6:55:58 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Arthur McGowan

Good catch! Hillary is the bag lady.


37 posted on 08/04/2009 6:56:12 PM PDT by Palladin (Me to Gubmint Healthcare Counselor: "Get your ass out of here or YOU will be in intensive care!")
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To: eeriegeno

Orly Taitz case at the U.S. District Court in Santa Ana, CA. (Lightfoot vs. Bowen) may be the beginning of the end for Obama’s stint in the White House.


38 posted on 08/04/2009 6:56:51 PM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: BulletBobCo
I don't think the real cert will pop up now that Raila Odinga (obama's cousin) is prime minister,

it will be like asking Fact check.org or SNOPES for the BC, it ain't gonna happen, Kenya gets major foriegn aid funding from the USA

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Principal Government Officials President--Mwai Kibaki Vice President--Kalonzo Musyoka

Prime Minister--Raila Odinga

Minister of Foreign Affairs--Moses Wetangula,

Ambassador to the United States--Peter Ogego,

Ambassador to the United Nations--Zachary Muita-Muburi

Consulate General Los Angeles--Nyambara Kamau

39 posted on 08/04/2009 6:57:29 PM PDT by KTM rider ( ..........tell me this really isn't happening ! !)
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To: snowsislander

Well, I have not yet to seen proof that the birth certificate in Orly Taitz possession is a forgery- maybe it is authentic. The timeline fits.


40 posted on 08/04/2009 7:01:06 PM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: real_patriotic_american
wishful thinking, I would hope so too, ,p>but

there are extremely powerful monetary forces backing Obama

Power like that will squash this little lawsuit like a fly on a teleprompter

41 posted on 08/04/2009 7:02:44 PM PDT by KTM rider ( ..........tell me this really isn't happening ! !)
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To: Aliska

Obama has left a long trail of suspicious activity. He may have attended Occidental College as Barry Soetoro and as a foreign student. This could prove that he had Indonesian citizenship.


42 posted on 08/04/2009 7:04:55 PM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; BP2; MeekOneGOP; ...
Thanks, real_patriotic_american.

"Happy Where's Your Birth Certificate Day."

43 posted on 08/04/2009 7:05:20 PM PDT by LucyT
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Well, I have not yet to seen proof that the birth certificate in Orly Taitz possession is a forgery- maybe it is authentic. The timeline fits.

You are correct: nothing has been proven. The "Republic of Kenya" bit may prove to be anachronistic, but no one has shown that conclusively.

The Taitz document names definite people and references specific official records. These can be checked. If the MSM could publish a story debunking the Taitz document using the vast resources available to them in Africa, I am certain that they would do so as quickly as possible --- and they haven't.

The dog that isn't barking is the one that I am listening for.

44 posted on 08/04/2009 7:07:05 PM PDT by snowsislander (NRA -- join today! 1-877-NRA-2000)
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To: snowsislander
Read that something is to break tomorrow. Wonder if this is what they were taking about.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/

45 posted on 08/04/2009 7:10:38 PM PDT by seekthetruth ("See You In DC From 9/11 - 9/13 At Our National Freeper Tea Party Convention!")
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To: snowsislander

Yes, I’ve been watching for that. They basically have no defense.

You wrote-
“If the MSM could publish a story debunking the Taitz document using the vast resources available to them in Africa, I am certain that they would do so as quickly as possible -— and they haven’t.

The dog that isn’t barking is the one that I am listening for.”


46 posted on 08/04/2009 7:11:22 PM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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To: LucyT

Thanks for the update, LucyT

Happy BC Day! Ping


47 posted on 08/04/2009 7:12:25 PM PDT by Iowan
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To: real_patriotic_american

When I first saw that Ms. Taitz had this on her website, I thought it would be her undoing. When I read, however, that she filed suit to have the document verified... I realized that she is smarter than I thought.

I always knew she was brave, but this is a genius move... don’t know if it will work, but I appreciate that there is someone who is covering all the bases on this, no matter where it goes.


48 posted on 08/04/2009 7:16:20 PM PDT by KarenMarie (NEVER believe anything coming out of DC until it's been denied.)
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To: real_patriotic_american
Hillary is on her way to Nairobi. Would the ledger books be in Mombasa, where Obama was born, or in Nairobi, the capital?

It may have been archived in both places, if not more.

The UK may have one too, being the birth took place in the British Protectorate ten-mile strip, more than 2 years before they allowed Kenya, and Coast Province, its independence ...

49 posted on 08/04/2009 7:22:57 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: KarenMarie

Yes, Orly has a great game-plan and it appears that she might “pull one out of the bag.” Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate that she possesses fits the proper timeline. It was probably prepared for presentation for the divorce of Obama’s parents in 1964.


50 posted on 08/04/2009 7:23:03 PM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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