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Russia’s SU-35: Mystery Fighter No More
Defense Industry Daily ^ | August 20, 2009

Posted on 08/23/2009 2:30:46 AM PDT by myknowledge

As one of our readers noted, DID’s articles from 2005-2007 seem to describe 2 different SU-35s. One is a mid-life modernized SU-27 Flanker, but there’s also much more re-engineered “SU-35” variant with canards, thrust vectoring, etc. has been confused with (and possibly redesignated between) the SU-37. So… what do we mean by “SU-35”?

This article explains the sources of the widespread confusion regarding the SU-35’s layout and key characteristics, reviews what is now known about the platform, and tracks its development. Those developments are likely to have broad consequences. The aircraft has a home customer in the Russian Air Force, and the SU-35 is being positioned to succeed most SU-30MK variants as Russia’s fighter export of choice within the coming decade.

The latest news involves additional details regarding the SU-35’s initial multi-year Russian production order, and discussion of the aircraft’s export prospects…

Until very recently, only KnAAPO has listed the SU-35 as a product on its site; Sukhoi now does so as well, but Irkut does not. If this seems confusing, it’s because Sukhoi subcontracts production to affiliate firms – IAIA (Irkut) and KnAAPO (Komsomolosk un Amur). Each has their own intellectual property, and their own interests. In addition, the designation “SU-35” has been used in several different contexts over the years. It has been referred to, and even photographed, in ways that referred to both mid-life Flanker upgrades and canard-equipped next-generation aircraft. KnAAPO’s site added the confusion by showing SU-35 pictures on its type page and gallery that display the aircraft both with and without canard foreplanes. The Rosoboronexport catalog picture was unclear.

(Excerpt) Read more at defenseindustrydaily.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: aerospace; flanker; savetheraptor; su35; sukhoi
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Su-35.

1 posted on 08/23/2009 2:30:46 AM PDT by myknowledge
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To: myknowledge

Camouflage, ur doin it wrong...

2 posted on 08/23/2009 2:41:09 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: MarkL

Camoflage fail.


3 posted on 08/23/2009 4:01:42 AM PDT by donmeaker (Invicto)
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To: myknowledge

Aren’t you glad we stopped building the F-22.

Aside from the Raptor, we don’t have anything that can go toe to toe with this beast.


4 posted on 08/23/2009 4:04:51 AM PDT by Carbonsteel
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To: MarkL

The camouflage closely resembles what our troops wear. It would be worthless with the sky as background but it might work pretty well with the ground as background.


5 posted on 08/23/2009 4:09:57 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: MarkL
Ah... That's the color scheme for the Paris Air Show where the perennial
Soviet/Russian ejection seat demos always steal the show.
The paint keeps the focus on the ejection seat where it belongs and not on the plane.
6 posted on 08/23/2009 4:11:01 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Carbonsteel

Just out of curiosity, how many of these do you thing the Air Borne Laser could shoot down in 10 minutes? I think that we need to get past some of our old thinking for aircraft. We need more unmanned fighters, ABL’s, and stealthy bombers, not ego boosting state of the art manned Air Force fighters. Hell the Air Force couldn’t even fly most of the Sorties over Iraq and Afghanistan, and the Navy had to do most of the heavy lifting.


7 posted on 08/23/2009 4:16:50 AM PDT by Woodman
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To: Carbonsteel
Aside from the Raptor, we don’t have anything that can go toe to toe with this beast.

Our fighters wouldn't have to go "toe to toe" with the SU-35. With the radar cross section and heat signature this thing generates it would be killed from over the horizon, likely from multiple directions......

8 posted on 08/23/2009 5:40:54 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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To: zot; Interesting Times; SeraphimApprentice

Yep, no 5th generation fighter threat out there as a reason to build the F-22.

I guess the P-40 and F4F-4 Wildcat were good enought, no need to worry about the Japs having something better. Especially when their ‘cheap copy’ aviation industry’s quality of production was worth zero.


9 posted on 08/23/2009 5:51:11 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Thermalseeker
The same could be said for all of our aircraft as well, other than the B-2, F-22 and possibly the B-1B, which is why everyone uses all sorts of jamming and decoys. But. sooner or later, you have to find out if your airplanes and that Top Gun training are effective or did obama and Gates stop that training program too?
10 posted on 08/23/2009 5:53:03 AM PDT by GBA
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To: myknowledge
It's a nice looking, menacing airplane. It took them a while, but they've finally built something to take on the F-15:


11 posted on 08/23/2009 6:00:15 AM PDT by GBA
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To: Carbonsteel
Aren’t you glad we stopped building the F-22.

It's almost as if our political leaders had been bribed.

12 posted on 08/23/2009 7:03:08 AM PDT by The Duke ("Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Democrat Party?")
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To: GBA

F-15ski


13 posted on 08/23/2009 9:27:09 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: GreyFriar

LOL - good pun

The Zero was a low-wing design, constructed of a lightweight aluminum alloy named “Extra-Super Duraluminum (ESD)”, with the exception of fabric-covered rudder and elevators. The aircraft’s lightweight construction helped it achieve the performance goals specified by the IJN. However, the severe limits on weight ensured that the new fighter also lacked armor and self-sealing fuel tanks.

Japs lost a plane, they could replace it in under a month, the pilot, 23 years.

The US lost a place, it was replaced in a day, the pilot fished out of the drink and back in the game.

Recipe for disaster.


14 posted on 08/23/2009 11:50:37 AM PDT by ASOC (Cave quid dicis, quando, et cui)
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To: GreyFriar

How many F-22’s could we have for the BILLION dollars spent on clunker automobiles?


15 posted on 08/23/2009 1:40:38 PM PDT by zot
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To: zot

About 20.


16 posted on 08/23/2009 1:43:08 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit The law will be followed, dammit!)
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To: zot

Actually, if only one more plane were ordered over the 187, costs falls to $200plus million, if all 750 were ordered cost per plane would fall to $90 million, if the plane was exported to Austrailia, Japan and Israel, cost goes below $70 million per.

Current number cost per, includes all R&D and associated development costs.

So the short answer to “how many planes from the THREE billion spent on cash for clunkers” depends on how many planes are ordered.

See: “The Untimely Demise of the F-22” linked from another F22 post.


17 posted on 08/23/2009 3:59:14 PM PDT by PIF
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To: mad_as_he$$; PIF

Thanks.


18 posted on 08/23/2009 4:21:29 PM PDT by zot
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To: myknowledge

/bump


19 posted on 08/23/2009 11:17:19 PM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (- Note to self **This is not where the reply goes)
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To: PIF; zot

Where do you get those numbers? Current flyaway costs, the cost to build an aircraft without taking research and development costs into account, are $143 million.

A billion dollars would have bought almost 7 F-22s.


20 posted on 08/24/2009 5:52:59 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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