Posted on 09/26/2009 3:04:40 PM PDT by raptor22
Environmentalism: Sen. Dianne Feinstein votes to deny water to California's drought-stricken San Joaquin Valley. Farmers, families and food are being held hostage to an endangered fish called the delta smelt. (snip) The Senate rejected the amendment by a largely party-line 61-36 margin, with Feinstein opposing the restoration of water deliveries to farmers.
The California senator claimed she was blindsided by the amendment to the bill she was managing in the Senate, bizarrely comparing the move to a "Pearl Harbor."
"No one from California has called, written or indicated they wanted this on the calendar," Feinstein protested.
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You would think that this many people out of work could put together a decent protest.....
“Otherwise you become a stooge of big business, and all you are to them is a target for your wallet.”
Please keep in mind gov’t is big bussiness. Feinstein gorged herself of taxpayers dollars on the California aquaduct. Her and her husband must find it more lucretive to champion environmental causes.
Which is why I mentioned the word "ploughed."
We’re all citizens of the world right?
No.
Yep, drama queen.
Yep, you ran out of answers.
Government is THE BIGGEST BUSINESS. When it gets too big, unlike BIG business that needs customers, Government tends to kill it’s customers. Let’s remember that.
“If anything is conservative, surely it is “conserving” our natural resources and environment.”
I agree with a lot of what you say BUT shutting down agriculture, a long time Califirnia mainstay, and importing food from all over the world ain’t exactly conservitive either.
****Which is why I mentioned the word “ploughed.”****
Which is expensive and must be maintained throughout the growing season. It is not feasible.
****Yep, you ran out of answers****
You sure haven’t run out of rhetoric.
They all said:"We shall overcome some day," right???
They're well into the process of:"Bring it all down, man!" Sad how you can tear down a beautiful building, or even a nation in such a short time that took centuries to build into the marvel of earth!!!
“Simple solution eliminate the fish!”
I’m sure if it was an inconvenience to her, they’d all be dead.
I agree. Getting unbiased information on the issue is very difficult.
But it doesn’t take a great deal of information to figure out certain things.
Building (and rebuilding) a major city (New Orleans) below sea level is a bad idea.
Building major cities (Vegas and Phoenix) in deserts is a bad idea. Even LA is more or less a desert.
You might say people should be able to live wherever they want without government interference. I agree.
Yet these cities would not have been built or continue to be occupied or grow without massive provision of government subsidies.
Yeah, all that re-plowing during the growing season requires highly trained tractor drivers, going in and out and around all those hundred of thousands of crops while they're growing... LOL
You sure haven’t run out of rhetoric.
Says the guy who relies on "drama queen" namecalling! LOL - rebuttal's a bitch, ain't it? What a pain to find someone who actually dares to disagree with you!
I agree. Getting unbiased information on the issue is very difficult.
But it doesn’t take a great deal of information to figure out certain things.
Building (and rebuilding) a major city (New Orleans) below sea level is a bad idea.
Building major cities (Vegas and Phoenix) in deserts is a bad idea. Even LA is more or less a desert.
You might say people should be able to live wherever they want without government interference. I agree.
Yet these cities would not have been built or continue to be occupied or grow without massive provision of government subsidies.
Was that a question? Why on earth would he ever want to DO anything?? This is his way of "getting even" with the wellthy farmers who get "cheap water" via the taxpayer that relieved them from the expense of even having to dig wells. All while breaking the backs of union laborers, mostly undocumented aliens who scoff at our laws just as the POTUS scoffs at our constitution!!!
Oh! We're also gettin paid back for not supportin Ceasar Chaves' table grape boycot. Obama like them fellas named Chaves and thinks they need more help than CA's ag community. He ain'ta organizing our ag community don't foget!!!
****Yeah, all that re-plowing during the growing season requires highly trained tractor drivers, going in and out and around all those hundred of thousands of crops while they’re growing... LOL****
That is why it is not feasible. In the clay soils of the Delta there is insufficient wetting, causing spotty germination and growth. The only way to alleviate this problem is to repeatedly disturb the soil so clay bonding is reduced.
This is why drip is best for small plots of garden vegetables in easy to manage beds, preferably raised. It can be used for corn in long rows if the soil is sufficiently sandy, but becomes a problem later in the growing season and even at germination if not.
****Says the guy who relies on “drama queen” namecalling! LOL - rebuttal’s a bitch, ain’t it? What a pain to find someone who actually dares to disagree with you!****
I love disagreement almost as much as I love shared understanding.
Clay soils, Delta, Central Valley, or anywhere else, are regularly amended with sand and organic mulches anyway, regardless of the irrigation method. So there's no extra cost there.
And NO soil is "repeatedly disturbed" once the crop is planted - that's absurd.
Excellent for truck crops, too, as you say.
Useless for field crops, though. That's a job for pivots or flood irrigation.
I'm sorry to have to say this, but that book is the biggest pocket of mental puss ever registered in the Library of CONgress!!!
IMO Marc Risener doesn't begin to understand all he thinks he knows on the subject and has deliberately colored everything presented in that book in a severly slanted way that is disgraceful!!!
He deliberately set out to poison all the water the Bureau of Reclaimation has used the taxpayer's resources to bless this state with! Pat Brown presided over the vast improvement of the three biggest and most vital roles a government can engage in... Water, Roads & Education!!!
Only Wallace Stegner is a worse author of books on the subject of the erroroneus environmental policies and the politics of water especially in CA!!!
After watchin the Van Jones clips on Glenn Beck, it appears that Amerika has the "wrong agriculture" because it uses "poisons". Knowing these people, I think their aim is to just shut it down...to destroy for the sake of destroying.
Last I heard Zimbabwe has decimated their agriculure production by giving it to people who don't know what they are doing. Here in Amerika, they want to turn the land "back to nature". Leftist truly suffer from a mental disorder.
Sure is a pleasure to see you're still lurking and alive!!! Pounce on something a little more often with a prescient ping and you'll always get a response from me. Whether you like it or not!!!(grin)
****Clay soils, Delta, Central Valley, or anywhere else, are regularly amended with sand and organic mulches anyway, regardless of the irrigation method. So there’s no extra cost there.****
Are you trying to tell me that the amendment process is free? All soils are not created equal, and it can become prohibitively expensive to amend, use expensive drip systems that break down in the elements, maintain the proper depth and spacing and remove and properly wind and clean them up again for the next crop. All that in the hopes of saving some water? Some crops use aerial for ferts more efficiently as well.
****And NO soil is “repeatedly disturbed” once the crop is planted - that’s absurd.****
I take it you are not familiar with raised bed gardening where weeding and clay breaking is a good reason for a hoe.
****Drip also works well for tree crops (pecans, e.g.) — if the soil is sufficiently porous.
Excellent for truck crops, too, as you say.
Useless for field crops, though. That’s a job for pivots or flood irrigation.****
Yep, field crops love pivots esp. when they distribute nutes.
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