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Step Aside Lucy; Itís Ardi Time (Temple of Darwin: WE ARE NO LONGER DESCENDED FROM APES!)
CEH ^ | October 2, 2009

Posted on 10/05/2009 6:44:21 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Oct 2, 2009 — A new fossil human ancestor has taken center stage. Those who love Lucy, the australopithecine made famous by Donald Johanson (and numerous TV specials), are in for a surprise. Lucy is a has been. Her replacement is not Desi Arnaz, but is designated Ardi, short for Ardipithecus ramidus – the new leading lady in the family tree. Actually, she has been around for years since her discovery in Ethiopia in 1992. It has taken Tim White and crew 15 years to piece together the bones that were in extremely bad condition. But now, Ardi has made her debut and is stealing the limelight...

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1 posted on 10/05/2009 6:44:22 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
WE ARE NO LONGER DESCENDED FROM APES!

Bummer! Now how do I explain DemocRATS to the grandkids?

2 posted on 10/05/2009 6:46:43 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (America! We're spending our grandchildren's inheritance!)
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...
Ping!

PS I have seen the following video series, and they are excellent (esp. for the kids)!

Incredible Creatures That Defy Evolution is a delightful trio of films by Dr. Jobe Martin produced by Exploration Films.  Perfect for the family and Christian school, these interesting and fun films showcase a zoo full of amazing animals – big and small, familiar and unfamiliar.  It’s also the story of an evolutionist who was challenged by the evidence to consider creation.  Dr. Martin, who was personal dentist to President Lyndon Johnson, followed the evidence and became a creationist and devout Bible-believing Christian.  His own personal enthusiasm for the wonders of the animal world shows through each episode.  The short-module arrangement makes the films convenient for teachers.  They’re fun to watch over and over
    Who wouldn’t be interested in learning more about elephants and giraffes and penguins and hummingbirds and lions?  From the dog and the horse to birds and insects you probably never heard of, their stories are told by Dr. Martin and field host David Hames with great photography and amazing facts.  Dr. Martin has uncovered some facts that are little known even by experts.  The evidence speaks for itself: these animals could never have evolved by chance and natural selection; they were designed.  The films go beyond mere intelligent design.  They present the God of the Bible as Creator, and also share Martin's own testimony of the power of the gospel in his own life.  Your life will be happier if Dr. Martin’s effervescent love and enthusiasm for creation rubs off on you.  Browse the science catalog at Exploration Films for books, study guides and other resources available to accompany the films.

3 posted on 10/05/2009 6:50:23 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Lucy was kind of cute. I'm so disappointed.


Can we give her a decent burial now?

4 posted on 10/05/2009 6:55:24 PM PDT by smokingfrog (No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: smokingfrog

Shouldn’t we find the rest of her first?


5 posted on 10/05/2009 6:56:15 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Only the incorrectly taught or deliberately misrepresenting would claim men evolved from apes. For those of you who wish to be educated, men and apes are descended from a common ancestor. To those of you who wish to continue perpetuating untruths, what else are you lying about?


6 posted on 10/05/2009 6:56:28 PM PDT by fortunate sun (Fight the marxist occupation of America. Support the Healthcare Insurrection.)
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To: LucyT

Lucy Ping about your ( our) Lucy Ancestor


7 posted on 10/05/2009 6:57:22 PM PDT by Candor7 (The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (Member NRA)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Knock yourself out.


8 posted on 10/05/2009 7:01:35 PM PDT by smokingfrog (No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Whew, thanks for the link!

I find it amazing that this new “find” - Ardi - who now replaces LUCY - was is being given the ga ga treatment it has received (saw one guy on tv news interview just overwhelmed with emotion at this new “discovery”)....when the guy who made this discovery reported the fossil was so fragile it dissolved into dust at the touch. Yet from that, we get this full blown picture of Ardi??

What faith does it take for “scientists” to “believe in” this new tale of our human “ancestry”....in the long line of evolutionary “tales”.....which eventually prove to be either fakes or wrong by new “discoveries”.

A LOT MORE FAITH then it takes to look at creation and to know that only Creator God could have done this, including making mankind IN HIS IMAGE just as His Word says!


9 posted on 10/05/2009 7:01:58 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt (Obama's Deathcare ---- many will suffer and/or die unnecessarily.)
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To: fortunate sun

That’s just silly semantics. It’s not a lie to refer to our “common ancestor” as an ape.


10 posted on 10/05/2009 7:03:20 PM PDT by far sider
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To: fortunate sun
Delugists still on the 19th Century page of "Missing Link": Apes stopped evolving, then humans evolved.

in another 200 years they may get around to bashing the notion of a common ancestor.

11 posted on 10/05/2009 7:03:39 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Thank you. I'm here all week. Try the veal.)
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To: far sider

Not really. It’s like saying that the falseness of the claim that Brits descended from Italians is just semantics. Clearly they did not. Though they certainly share a common lineage.


12 posted on 10/05/2009 7:13:02 PM PDT by Bogey78O (Don't call them jihadis. Call them irhabis. Tick them off, don't entertain their delusion.)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

YourReply’sWorthit too...Excellent!


13 posted on 10/05/2009 7:15:22 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

I remeber a small story when we decoded the genetic code that some scientists were going to use that code that determine once and for all that we were descended from apes.

The last I heard it was actually showing a different genetic result. Could this be part of that?


14 posted on 10/05/2009 7:16:55 PM PDT by LRoggy (Peter's Son's Business)
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To: fortunate sun

Except that we don’t know (who?) that common ancestor was.


15 posted on 10/05/2009 7:18:06 PM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE HOMO!)
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To: GodGunsGuts
"WE ARE NO LONGER DESCENDED FROM APES!"

Apes will be relieved to hear this.

16 posted on 10/05/2009 7:18:48 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: fortunate sun

Wrong:

“A new report argues that chimpanzees are so closely related to humans that they should be included in our branch of the tree of life.”

National Geographic, 2003

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/05/0520_030520_chimpanzees.html


17 posted on 10/05/2009 7:18:53 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

” If a snake on a plane made it to Hawaii, for instance, many native birds would be severely threatened.”

Your source needs a lesson in basic biology. It takes at least two snakes, unless the one on the plane was carrying but he doesn’t say that.


18 posted on 10/05/2009 7:20:19 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: LRoggy
I remeber a small story when we decoded the genetic code that some scientists were going to use that code that determine once and for all that we were descended from apes.

I remember my Sunday School teacher telling us that men had one fewer ribs than womem because God took Adam's rib to make woman.

19 posted on 10/05/2009 7:21:51 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: GodGunsGuts

You’re welcome and thanks for your posts.


20 posted on 10/05/2009 7:24:12 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt (Obama's Deathcare ---- many will suffer and/or die unnecessarily.)
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To: LRoggy

The followers of Darwin jumped to too many conclusions, right off the bat. They would do well to take another look at the data. Darwin himself followed his own theory down a dead-end path when he looked at what we now call genetics. After Mendel came along, a lot of what had been concluded was shown to be wrong. It wasn’t until after 1940 that Julian Huxley et al. were able to cobble together a more credible theory. My guess is now they are trying to do the same with fitting the code into the theory.


21 posted on 10/05/2009 7:26:03 PM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE HOMO!)
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To: LRoggy

The phylogeneticists have been saying that chimps and humans are the closest relatives, whereas the morphologists have been saying that we are closer to orangs...now the Ardiologists :o) are saying that humans aren’t on the same branch with either one of them or with Ardi. In other words, human evolution becomes more and more of a subjective mess with each passing “discovery.” You might also want to check out #17 for a recent blast from the past.


22 posted on 10/05/2009 7:27:48 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: ColdWater

Is that the best you could do? LOL!


23 posted on 10/05/2009 7:31:25 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: ColdWater

The theories are equally scientific. My guess is that they will find that the DNAs of humans and Apes respectively are too divergent for any final conclusion to be made, one way or another.


24 posted on 10/05/2009 7:32:24 PM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE HOMO!)
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To: ColdWater
I remember my Sunday School teacher telling us that men had one fewer ribs than womem because God took Adam's rib to make woman.

AHA! Cloning...adult stem cells..

25 posted on 10/05/2009 7:33:47 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, nothing more than bald haired hippies.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Is that the best you could do? LOL!

I thought it relevant to point out that your source believes that snakes reproduce by parthenogenesis.

26 posted on 10/05/2009 7:37:00 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater

Are you saying that divergent snake species cannot interbreed?


27 posted on 10/05/2009 7:44:03 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: RobbyS

Sure we do, Adam was the common ancestor. Descendants of Cain became apes. Seth, humans.


28 posted on 10/05/2009 7:52:12 PM PDT by fortunate sun (Fight the marxist occupation of America. Support the Healthcare Insurrection.)
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To: RobbyS

“Except that we don’t know (who?) that common ancestor was.”

I know who it was. . .


29 posted on 10/05/2009 7:54:03 PM PDT by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: Marie2

The common ancestor of man and the ape? IAC. I think this is all futile and useless so far as an scientific application is concerned.


30 posted on 10/05/2009 7:58:18 PM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE HOMO!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

No.


31 posted on 10/05/2009 8:04:23 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: GodGunsGuts

We we disowned?


32 posted on 10/05/2009 8:05:48 PM PDT by nufsed
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To: ColdWater

Is it you contention that there are no snake species currently inhabiting the wilds of the Hawaiian islands?


33 posted on 10/05/2009 8:08:24 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

No. That was your source’s contention.


34 posted on 10/05/2009 8:09:36 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: nufsed

The evos have changed their minds, and now say we were never owned by the apes in the first place! With this track record, these guys should be in charge of establishing the identities of new voters for ACORN!


35 posted on 10/05/2009 8:14:25 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

It was always my understanding that evolutionary theory said there was a common ancestor, not a direct descent from apes. Am I mistaken?


36 posted on 10/05/2009 8:16:28 PM PDT by Williams
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To: ColdWater

Ok, why don’t you tell me what you think my source’s contention about Hawaiian snakes is.


37 posted on 10/05/2009 8:17:13 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

I already did.


38 posted on 10/05/2009 8:18:01 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: Bogey78O

“The Hominidae (anglicized Hominids, also known as great apes[notes 1]) form a taxonomic family, including four extant genera: chimpanzees, gorillas, humans and orangutans.
A number of known extinct genera are grouped with humans in the Hominina subtribe, others with orangutans in the Ponginae subtribe. The most recent common ancestor of the Hominidae lived some 13 million years ago, when the ancestors of the orangutans speciated from the ancestors of the other three genera.[citation needed] “

from Wikipedia entry: Hominids.

If Hominids are just another word for “great apes”, then to say that humans evolved from a hominid but didn’t evolve from apes is being a bit disingenuous, don’t you think?


39 posted on 10/05/2009 8:18:44 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: ColdWater

” If a snake on a plane made it to Hawaii...”

It’s not the snake on a plane making it to Hawaii we need to worry about, it’s the snakes on a plane leaving Hawaii! Or am I the only one that saw that Samuel Jackon movie?


40 posted on 10/05/2009 8:23:22 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: ColdWater

Ok, on what basis did you assume that my source “believes that snakes reproduce by parthenogenesis”?


41 posted on 10/05/2009 8:38:07 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Williams
The idea was that we descended from a common ape-like ancestor. Many evos even put us on the same family tree, going so far as to advocate for "huminid rights" for chimps!
42 posted on 10/05/2009 8:44:12 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Ok, on what basis did you assume that my source “believes that snakes reproduce by parthenogenesis”?

I jumped to that conclusion. He may believe that snakes undergo asexual reproduction.

43 posted on 10/05/2009 8:48:19 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


44 posted on 10/05/2009 9:19:02 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: ColdWater
And now your Sunday night science channel is going to tell you that men took a whole bunch of bones and made Ardi.

And she/he/they lacks more than ribs.

45 posted on 10/05/2009 9:22:01 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change
And now your Sunday night science channel is going to tell you that men took a whole bunch of bones and made Ardi.

It's Monday night and GGG told me.

46 posted on 10/05/2009 9:25:00 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: GodGunsGuts
Many evos even put us on the same family tree, going so far as to advocate for "huminid rights" for chimps!

I have NEVER seen an evolutionist on FR advocate for that.

AND I have NEVER seen any of your mythical ID'ers post on FR either.

47 posted on 10/05/2009 9:29:04 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: GodGunsGuts

More and more spam from the “expert”.
Five threads in five days on the very same thing. If others did that, they’d be warned.

Just showing your utter lack of knowledge GGG. Please get a REAL education.

Face it, Gibbons, Orangs, gorillas, chimps and humans ALL had a common ancestor. Evolution is real whether you like it or not.


48 posted on 10/06/2009 6:53:40 AM PDT by Wacka
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To: GodGunsGuts

My uncle was evidence that we descended from apes. So I always have that thought in the back of my mind.


49 posted on 10/06/2009 7:34:01 AM PDT by nufsed
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To: Wacka

Stay tuned for much more :o) It must really bum you out that there are so many Creation and ID science organizations debunking Darwood’s evo-religious creation myth...LOL!


50 posted on 10/06/2009 8:02:35 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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