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BREAKING: Dems Go Nuclear on Obamacare
HumanEvents.com ^ | 10/15/09 | Connie Hair

Posted on 10/15/2009 7:21:42 PM PDT by Newton

House Ways & Means Committee Chairman Charlie Rangel (D-N.Y.) held a hearing this morning to certify that H.R. 3200 -- the main House Obamacare bill which was the subject of all the town hall rage in August -- has met all requirements to pass as a “budget reconciliation” measure.

Under reconciliation, the bill can be passed by a simple majority vote in the Senate -- just 51 votes -- and will be given preferential treatment on the House floor as well. The Dems have apparently invoked the “nuclear option” to shut out Republicans and ensure the bill is passed before the end of the year. (see link for more....)

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; corruption; cultureofcorruption; democratcorruption; healthcare; military; nuclear; nuclearoption; obama; obamacare; obamathugs; politics; reconciliation; socialism; veterans
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Sorry if this has already been posted - did a search and didn't see it. I am speechless.... I don't even knoe what to do anymore....

On a side note - to the old time freepers is the author the former freeper "Clinton's a Liar"?

1 posted on 10/15/2009 7:21:42 PM PDT by Newton
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To: Newton

Yes that is her.


2 posted on 10/15/2009 7:22:53 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: shibumi

“What rough beast...” ping.


3 posted on 10/15/2009 7:25:08 PM PDT by Salamander ("All my toys are broken....and so am I, inside, Mom......")
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To: Newton

Pass this bill or anything like it....then you’ll find out what the ‘nuclear option’ is!


4 posted on 10/15/2009 7:25:25 PM PDT by G Larry ( Obamacare=Dying in Line!)
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To: Newton

I’ve never seem a suicide performed in public before. That’s what the Democratic party is doing this year. Aparently, they must value passing this monstrosity over their own personal careers. This should be interesting.


5 posted on 10/15/2009 7:25:58 PM PDT by ilgipper
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To: Newton

A**hole Rangel wouldn’t know a legit requirement if it bit him on his snot locker.


6 posted on 10/15/2009 7:27:27 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Newton

bttt


7 posted on 10/15/2009 7:27:39 PM PDT by uncitizen (I'm mad as hell and i'm not gonna take it anymore!!)
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To: ilgipper

I think people are way behind. I don’t think they plan on ever leaving office, because we will be under dictatorship.

How often are we seeing news from other countries? Hardly any. How about what’s happening in the rest of the states next to you? Or across the country?

People are starved for news because we are not getting it. we get the same fluff stories over and over and over, every day...


8 posted on 10/15/2009 7:28:31 PM PDT by Freddd (CNN is not credible.)
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To: ilgipper

They can start collecting the money right away, years before anything is put into practice. It’s about getting their hands on a new pot of money.....


9 posted on 10/15/2009 7:28:44 PM PDT by Fu-fu2
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To: Freddd

“I think people are way behind. I don’t think they plan on ever leaving office, because we will be under dictatorship.”

Dead on.


10 posted on 10/15/2009 7:30:03 PM PDT by Salamander ("All my toys are broken....and so am I, inside, Mom......")
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To: Newton

As Bugs Bunny once said, “Of course you know...this means war!”


11 posted on 10/15/2009 7:30:43 PM PDT by woofer2425 (You will all be using Macs within 5 years)
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To: ilgipper

They have probably been assured that the formality of elections will not interfere with their careers. The election process, like every other American instititution, has been sold to the highest bidder. You will NOT be able to vote out the oligarchs.


12 posted on 10/15/2009 7:30:43 PM PDT by silverleaf (If we are astroturf, why are the democrats trying to mow us?)
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To: Newton

Why are you surprised? “They won”. This is what happens when the radicals took over, the only thing stopping them from doing nuclear options or anything else they damn well please is their own lack of guts.


13 posted on 10/15/2009 7:31:17 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Newton

I’ve read this several times. But I’m pretty sure i read somewhere else that the reconciliation rules expire October 15th, in which case it would be too late for the Senate to use that rule, even if the House could ever get their bill passed and sent to the Senate.


14 posted on 10/15/2009 7:32:40 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: ilgipper

I’ve never seem a suicide performed in public before. That’s what the Democratic party is doing this year. Aparently, they must value passing this monstrosity over their own personal careers. This should be interesting.
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Not if we no longer will be a ‘democracy’. After all......the libs have stated quite clearly that they long for a dictatorship. They want ‘daddy’ to take care of them. Votes won’t exist.


15 posted on 10/15/2009 7:34:13 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear ($$$$$OBAMA MONEY!!!$$$$$ /s)
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To: Newton

How very un-ethical of Rangle....this must be his last defiant act, before the Dems abandon him.
Its a Racist act against the White majority !


16 posted on 10/15/2009 7:35:05 PM PDT by 4Speed
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To: Newton
Hey McCain, where are you on this!
17 posted on 10/15/2009 7:35:23 PM PDT by factmart
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To: ilgipper

That’s because the Dems know if this is passed, this will no longer be the United States of America. They will have complete power of all of us. This is what liberals have wanted for the past 40 years, to have total control of America’s health care system, they will own us


18 posted on 10/15/2009 7:37:07 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Newton
Fine, they have the votes, pass it.

We all know what's coming.

19 posted on 10/15/2009 7:37:16 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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Ping to me to find out if this is true


20 posted on 10/15/2009 7:37:43 PM PDT by listenhillary (A "cult of personality" arises when a leader uses mass media creating idealized/heroic public image)
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To: Newton
Under reconciliation, the bill can be passed by a simple majority vote in the Senate -- just 51 votes

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

21 posted on 10/15/2009 7:37:43 PM PDT by ShowMeMom (America: The home of the FREE because of the BRAVE.)
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To: woofer2425
Do we really understand the tipping point to start the American Revolution against England? What were those circumstances and how similar are they likely to be in the near future?

People wrongly assume that we live in a democracy, but we live in a representative democracy. Once we elect our representative, they are free to destroy us, punishable only by being thrown out of office after the fact.

They do not need to listen to us if they think their goals are more important than what the people want.

What would have to occur before the public became violent, on either side? What right will be the last straw when taken away.

Who will be the leaders to lead from the front?

22 posted on 10/15/2009 7:38:47 PM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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To: ShowMeMom
Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Re-read or re-think your tagline.

23 posted on 10/15/2009 7:39:46 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Newton

Senate Republicans should stand shoulder to shoulder an use EVERY parliamentarian trick to slow down, delay and stall every single bill that comes to the floor. Demand that each bill be read to the floor. Speak long and slow about every bill. Make it feel like a filibuster.


24 posted on 10/15/2009 7:40:27 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: CharlesWayneCT
I’m pretty sure I read somewhere else that the reconciliation rules expire October 15th, in which case it would be too late for the Senate to use that rule...

I heard that also. I also heard that a different type of nuclear option could be used, where the Senate votes for cloture with 60 votes on the Baucus bill, or something considered mild enough for Olympia Snowe, and then substitutes a whole bunch of the nastiest ideas, such as the public option, and passes it with just a majority vote, so some senators in vulnerable positions can say they voted against the final bill.

There seems to be no limit to the deviousness of our representatives.

25 posted on 10/15/2009 7:40:29 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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To: Freddd
I think people are way behind. I don’t think they plan on ever leaving office, because we will be under dictatorship.

Even the next few challenges for 2010, the fix is in. The conversion to a dictatorship by the current King Obama and his communists machine will be complete by the middle of next year.

26 posted on 10/15/2009 7:40:49 PM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Perhaps a useful point of order????


27 posted on 10/15/2009 7:42:26 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: ilgipper
2008 was closer than the final tallies appear to indicate. The right amount of effort in the right counties and 2012 could be a good year for America.

28 posted on 10/15/2009 7:43:25 PM PDT by BenLurkin (Brave amateurs....they do their part.)
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To: woofer2425

Why do we even have rules for these people who pretend to follow?


29 posted on 10/15/2009 7:43:26 PM PDT by phormer phrog phlyer
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To: Freddd

If the internet ever gets eliminated (or limited), then we have real problems.


30 posted on 10/15/2009 7:43:47 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: Sarah Barracuda

” They will have complete power of all of us.”

Speak for yourself. As long as I draw breath and have means to resist them, they won’t have complete power over me.

Until they can get rid of the problem of an armed citizenry, they are a long way from realizing their dreams of dictatorship. If they think Americans will quietly turn in our arms like the British or the Germans, they have severely underestimated the number of patriots left in this land.


31 posted on 10/15/2009 7:44:12 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Newton
Freepers can deceive themselves all they want, but a health care bill is going to pass this year. Nuclear option or not. This has become a face-saving objective of Obama and the DEM leadership.

And we can bark all we want, but until the GOP controls at least one of the houses without fear of RINO crossovers or the white house, we are going to get what the majority voted for.

32 posted on 10/15/2009 7:44:20 PM PDT by CatOwner
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To: ilgipper

“I’ve never seem a suicide performed in public before. That’s what the Democratic party is doing this year. “

Maybe not. Lots of dems are acting like 2010 is in the bag, or irrelevant.


33 posted on 10/15/2009 7:45:15 PM PDT by DBrow (Thank You Al Gore You Saved Earth!)
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To: Salamander
“I think people are way behind. I don’t think they plan on ever leaving office, because we will be under dictatorship.”

You may be. But I will not, I would not survive the transition.
34 posted on 10/15/2009 7:45:57 PM PDT by JoSixChip (Time to start organizing, that's if we are ever going to.)
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To: DTogo
Fine, they have the votes, pass it.

We all know what's coming.

Do we? I sense it will be far more passive than Freepers would like to believe.

35 posted on 10/15/2009 7:45:57 PM PDT by CatOwner
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To: Boogieman

They won’t have any power over me either, but that is their plan. They want total control over everyone. That is their master plan


36 posted on 10/15/2009 7:48:08 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: silverleaf
They have probably been assured that the formality of elections will not interfere with their careers. The election process, like every other American instititution, has been sold to the highest bidder. You will NOT be able to vote out the oligarchs.

Its not who gets to vote but who gets to COUNT the votes that matters.

37 posted on 10/15/2009 7:50:21 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Newton

1994 all over again then ... The dems are so screwed on this deal


38 posted on 10/15/2009 7:51:35 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: BenLurkin

Ah, but they own the census, and thus redistricting which will cement their lead for a long time to come.


39 posted on 10/15/2009 7:52:29 PM PDT by ODC-GIRL (We live in interesting times)
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To: DTogo

Higher taxes?


40 posted on 10/15/2009 7:53:26 PM PDT by BenLurkin (Brave amateurs....they do their part.)
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To: ilgipper
"I’ve never seem a suicide performed in public before. That’s what the Democratic party is doing this year. [Apparently], they must value passing this monstrosity over their own personal careers. This should be interesting."

The Democrats apparently aren't worried about losing elections. They have confidence in the vote fraud machine (ACORN, etc) they have constructed to steal elections. The 2000 election was the first national test of this machine and it almost worked. It has now been proven to be effective since the last few elections, eg. the Coleman vs. Franken election. They think it will work again so the Democrats are not afraid to impose any of their criminal communistic plans on America.

41 posted on 10/15/2009 7:53:41 PM PDT by StormEye
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To: Freddd

I totally agree. They have never made any apologies or attempts to correct the record when accused of being or having radical marxist connections and ideals. They are taking complete control of every aspect of our lives and don’t seem too concerned about re-election. In fact, they have mainstreamed marxism with ease, and it seems that the people are adapting quite well. They were probably expecting more aggressive protests and became pleasantly surprised when they realized there would just be a few tea parties and townhall meetings before the people went quietly to their fate. I would say the initial experiments have succeeded beyond their wildest expectations and are ready to implement the additional phases of their decades long planning.


42 posted on 10/15/2009 7:54:31 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: ODC-GIRL
"Ah, but they own the census, and thus redistricting which will cement their lead for a long time to come.

No, there is another: Palin!

43 posted on 10/15/2009 7:56:38 PM PDT by JoSixChip (Time to start organizing, that's if we are ever going to.)
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To: Freddd
"I think people are way behind. I don’t think they plan on ever leaving office, because we will be under dictatorship.

How often are we seeing news from other countries? Hardly any. How about what’s happening in the rest of the states next to you? Or across the country?

People are starved for news because we are not getting it. we get the same fluff stories over and over and over, every day..."

You're right. Very little political or "cultural" domestic news that really matters, that is not Politically Correct, is allowed to filter down to Americans. The STATE RUN MEDIA sees to that.

44 posted on 10/15/2009 7:58:41 PM PDT by StormEye
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To: ODC-GIRL

A nation of John Galt’s

If the Dems pull this the Republicans may as well go home to their districts and stay.


45 posted on 10/15/2009 7:59:13 PM PDT by listenhillary (A "cult of personality" arises when a leader uses mass media creating idealized/heroic public image)
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To: Newton; Fred Nerks; LucyT; Beckwith
If HR 3200 or any of its operative parts are passed in disregard of the US publics denial of it, one can easily predict what happens next. S. 31 of HR 3200 is particularly egregious, as it vilates IRS privacy law, and allows for a medical fee scale based on income, not on services rendered, and opens the door for the IRS information to be used in the collection of unpaid medical bills ( redistribution of wealth through medical bills)

There will be the increased radicalization of Obama's opposition,with violence and death ensuing, which is what happens when the will of the people is disregarded by elected representatives.

People will refuse to obey the law.Or have anything to do with it.

THe violence will reach a crescendo around the elections of 2010.

And the style and manner that Obama exhibited in Kenya, 2006/2007, which resulted in inter-tribal genocide, will seize America by its throat.

We do not have a government running our nation. We have an Obama Junta. We should not lose sight of that fact.

46 posted on 10/15/2009 8:02:26 PM PDT by Candor7 (The effective weapons again st Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (Member NRA)
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To: Newton

With every day I feel we get closer to the end of these United States. Even though I live in Texas, it is in the Left corner, and I mean left. If texas goes it alone, there is nothing to stop the leftist creeps here. I think we will be at their mercy. It is not a great thing to contemplate. The thugs from Juarez would swarm to take over here. I do not have enough firepower for that! I don’t know what to think?


47 posted on 10/15/2009 8:02:31 PM PDT by Empireoftheatom48 (Zero will never be my President, never!!!!!)
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To: Sarah Barracuda
They won’t have any power over me either, but that is their plan. They want total control over everyone. That is their master plan

I have an ex-wife who had no power over me, though she tried. And what she had to offer was much better than what Obammer is trying to sell. My kids are married, they live far enough away to where I do not see my grandkids too often and my whole life is tied up in my life for my country (not the government) and my wife. I would die for either one.
48 posted on 10/15/2009 8:02:35 PM PDT by Bad Jack Bauer (Fat and Bald? I was BORN fat and bald, thank you very much!)
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To: listenhillary

I know one physician who put in his notice today. Not sure if Obamacare was the reason but I suspect it contributed.


49 posted on 10/15/2009 8:04:00 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Yeah, that’s the plan. But you know what they say about “the best laid plans of mice and men...”


50 posted on 10/15/2009 8:04:36 PM PDT by Boogieman
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