Posted on 10/19/2009 4:06:29 PM PDT by HorowitzianConservative
Friday night, wrapping up the Rush Limbaugh/NFL brouhaha on Fox News’s Special Report with Bret Baier, the panel unanimously decided that Rush had been unfairly smeared as a racist, but that he was way off base in calling Donovan McNabb overrated.
That's the consensus, but the consensus is wrong. Donovan McNabb is consistently a merely above average quarterback with flashes of brilliance who has never justified the hype surrounding him.
Here is the infamous quote (note that usually the first and last sentences are left off of this quote, which makes is sound slightly harsher out of context):
(Excerpt) Read more at newsrealblog.com ...
Sorry but Rush was wrong on Mcnab, especially when he said it. Mcnab is a top quarterback Rush bought into the negative hype which passes for Philadelphia sport opinion.
Nothing improper about what Rush said, he just was incorrect.
Rush was dead on concerning McDrabb. The sports press never made a big deal concerning McNair, Culpepper, or Moon - all three much better than McDrabb. The point of Rush’s comment was that the press will not allow a black QB to look bad - even if the QB is average. And that is what McDrabb is - as he has proven time and time again.
I’m not sure why anyone would have a problem understanding that there can be affirmative action in sports reporting just like there is everywhere else. He was right about McNabb but maybe McNabb can be AA’d into the HOF too, since they don’t have their quota of black QBs yet.
He is better than average, but not on par with Manning and Brady like the Media tries to make him out to be.
Look, first of all, I’m a McNabb fan, since I’m a Syracuse fan. That said, he is only a slightly above average quarterback in the NFL, but the media made him into a star. THAT IS THE SAME THING they did to Obama...the MEDIA made him President. Now they will do whatever is in their power to help him succeed.
Who doesn't know the NFL rules governing O.T. and doesn't know how many time outs he has. A real field general there. Not to mention he's erratic and has very poor throwing accuracy. The eagles looked consistently better under Garcia, and Kolb also looked very good in his first two starts, easily filling McNabb's shoes.
That depends if McDrab wants an undeserved HOF or a Nobel HOF
Very few quarterbacks have won superbowls, Mcnabb came within 3 points of beating the Patriots when they were an absolute powerhouse, multiple trips to teh NFC championship game. And btw McNabb got to the Superbowl without TO, who waqs injured in teh playoffs until the superbowl itself.
Further, Rush didn’t say all black quarterbacks were overrated. He said the NFL pushed Mcnabb in particular in order to have a great black quarterback.
To say Mcnabb, a super bowl quarterback who usually played w lousy receivers, isn’t capable as an NFL quarterback is preposterous.
“Sorry but Rush was wrong on Mcnab, especially when he said it. Mcnab is a top quarterback Rush bought into the negative hype which passes for Philadelphia sport opinion.
Nothing improper about what Rush said, he just was incorrect.”
Really? How many time out’s in a half?
Except when you watch Mcnabb every week like I do, you can see for yourself he is an out and out stud player. Perfect, no. But this is a guy who finished a winning game on a broken leg. He has the ability to shed multiple sackers and still deliver the ball.
How can Rush be right or wrong when you mis-quote Rush.
Per Rush, he never commented on McNabb’s ability.
He commented on the MSM media coverage of McNabb.
By mis-quoting Rush, you are just like the MSM.
I’d compare it to the Chicago media, which still claims that Jay C 3-2 is a better QB than Kyle O 5-0. The media seems to have more incompletes and interceptions than the QBs do.
When blacks, hispanics, asians, latins, romans, eskimos, (whites - oh no God forbid - can’t say that), want ‘their own’ to excel, it’s ok with them. BUT, when you call them out on it - they go berserk.
Im not misquoting Rush I don’t need to worship him either. He can be wrong about a quarterback. Sorry. He certainly said Mcnabb was not as good as the media and NFL wanted to make him out to be.
In my humble opinion Riush was mistaken, Mcnabb is a strong quarterback with a strong record.
But then I know Rush is never wrong, just ask him.
For another example, see David Garrard. Love the man and his personality, but not the best quarterback. I’m starting to wonder if we were still better off with Leftwich.
McNabb: Not the most situationally aware fellow...
By Doug Farrar
He caught a lot of heat last year for not knowing how NFL ties work, though he’s not the only one — heck, even intelligent ex-quarterbacks-turned-announcers get it wrong from time to time. But Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb(notes) must carry the grief alone for his clock-butchering boo-boo in his team’s 13-9 loss to the Oakland Raiders.
Down 10-3 with 27 seconds left in the first half, McNabb went to the line and called a time out after deciding that he didn’t like what he saw on the Raiders’ side of the ball. Problem was, the Eagles had already used their customary three time-outs in the half, and no amount of bargaining could get them another one. Philly was busted for delay of game, the ball was pushed back from the Oakland 15 to the Oakland 20, McNabb took a Richard Seymour(notes) sack on the next play, and the Eagles had to settle for a field goal. Had the Eagles scored a touchdown and kicked the extra point in that drive, they would have had the points needed to tie the Raiders.
Rush certainly was commenting on how the team was doing and how Mcnabb was doing, to say he didn’t comment omn Mcnabb’s ability is preposterous. His whole point was the Eagles were struggling because Mcnabb was overrated and not as good as his hype.
Again, Rush was not racist in his comment, in my opinion he simply was wrong because Mcnabb is an extremely good quarterback.
Now Michael Vick, that is another story.
I guess Rush knew, how many years ago, that Mcnabb would think he still had a timeout last Sunday? I’m not aware Rush said anything about Mcnabb being stupid, forgetful, not knowing the rules. Maybe Mcnabb will get in a car accident someday and that will prove Rush right, also.
There was just an instance of a former top quarterback turned announcer who forgot that NFL overrtimes are sudden death. I guess that guy was no good either because of that mistake.
Give it a rest, Rush Limbaugh isn’t always right.
BTW I think sometime after Rush’s initial comment he was taking credit for motivating Mcnabb to do better.
I think Rush’s remarks were interpreted as meaning that black quarterbacks in general were poor performers, which is not what he said. Anyway, it’s perfectly all right to criticize Donovan McNabb, or any other player.
Rush was stupid to tell the truth. There are many theoretical ways of ranking quarterbacks, but in American sports only one that counts, winiing the big game.
I am pretty sure that the Eagles have never won a superbowl under McNabb because I can't remember them EVER winning a superbowl. His completion rate is under 60% and his lifetime QB rating is under 90. He was a respectable second string running back, however.
Rush's point was that McNabb was America's "great black hope". Just like the boxing obsession with the "great white hope". Both desires were racist. The great boxers, for whatever reason, have been black in modern times--the great quarterbacks have been white. Rush was paraphrasing MLK. He was suggesting we should judge qbs by their accomplishments, not by the color of their skins.
I know what Rush’s point was however you don’t know what you are talking about when you say Mcnabb was a good “second string running back”. He’s a pro bowl, super bowl quarterback with a strong arm as well as strong legs. To say he is a running quarterback is simple ignorance. He can run too, that is not his claim to fame.
Boy, when Culpepper can be said to be better than McNabb, that that tells me all I need to know about McNabb. -—Michigan FReeper
Donovan McNabb was probably being hyped when the team was winning big, just as numerous quarterbacks have been. Consider Tony Romo. Limbaugh’s point was that the Eagle defense - made up mostly of black men - had been the reason for the Eagle’s success.
By the way, I don’t buy the idea that you have to win the championship to be considered great. Dan Marino was great. Fran Tarkenton was great.
Look what the media does with Garcia...nothing. He was a winner in San Fran and a winner in Philly. Maybe the media is desirous that a hispanic QB not be a star.
And it kills me as a Cowboys fan to give props to a 9er and an Eagle, but he scared me when we played them.
He didn't say that. He simply said the press was over rating him, period.
Read the article, which you obviously didn't do. It refutes everything you say. One of his "lousy receivers" was Terrill Owens.
McNabb blew it in the Super Bowl with lousy clock management as well. I think Terrell questioned whether he was ok late in the game a few weeks later.
McNabb’s biggest problem was the Eagles. They expected him to win the game when he was playing, his replacements like Jeff Garcia received better support, the Eagles offense gave them more help than McNabb.
Terrel Owens was out injured at the end of the season and through the playoffs. He came back only for the superbowl, which they lost. Mcnabb got there without him.
I dont need to reread the article. I watched Rush’s comment live and I’ve watched him and others replay it a dozen times. they were discussing that Mcnabb and the Eagles were struggling and Rush’s entire point was that Mcnabb was never that good to begin with that teh NFL pumped him up in the desire to have a successful black quarterback.
To say that Rush wasnt commenting on Mcnabb’s abilities versus the hype is absurd.
Rush had a valid opinion, he just happened to be wrong because in fact Mcnabb is an excellent quarterback and that is reflected in his achievements. And I am well aware of Mcnabb’s flaws, they all have them. Elway barely won a superbowl at teh end of his carreer and that was his big vindication.
Whatever, every time the Eagles get close to the superbowl Rush is silent or takes credit for inspiring Mcnabb to excel. Everytime Mcnabb does something wrong it then proves Rush was right.
Whatever it’s sports we can never settle it.
Who said that? Not me! That is exactly what Rush was saying! And your objection to that is ... ??
Here is the exact quote from ESPN. Rush: “I think what we’ve had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn’t deserve. The defense carried this team.”
Do you agree or disagree?
I suggested you read the article because it is full of statistics supporting the point of view that McNabb is a very good quarterback, better than average, which seems to be what you are saying also. They also add that McNabb was not the Great Black Hope the media were looking for. It also mentions the political/social atmosphere at the time. There was lots of criticism of the NFL owners for not selecting enough black quarterbacks, just as there had been of MLB for not having enough black managers. Therefore, Donavon was overly hyped.
Why the aversion to facts?
No problem with what Rush said he had the right to say it.
To those who posted here that Mcnabb’s flub on a time out and a lousy game on Sunday, years after Rush’s comment - proved that Rush was “right” that Mcnabb is a poor quarterback - I disagreed. Mcnabb is one of the best qusrterbacks of the last decade. And for that reason, IMHO, Rush was mistaken in his analysis of Mcnabb.
BTW Mcnabb also happens to be a solid citizen, zero brushes with the law, family, close to his parents. For all this he was criticized by TO for being a “company man”. In Philadelphia, they make fun of Mcnabb for all of this.
So Mcnabb has to be one of the worst picks to go after for being hyped due to his race.
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