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A Classic Polystrate Fossil (defies evo-assumption that the "present is key to the past")
ACTS&FACTS ^ | October 2009 | John D. Morris, Ph.D.

Posted on 10/22/2009 7:38:11 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Years ago, National Geographic published a remarkable photograph of a polystrate fossil, a fossilized tree that
extended stratigraphically upward through several layers of rock in Tennessee. Its roots were in a coal seam, and the
overlying deposits included bedded shale and thin carbon-rich layers. An advocate of any form of uniformitarianism
would believe that it took many, many years to deposit this sequence of layers (much longer than it takes for a tree
to grow and eventually die and decay), yet one vertical fossil extends through them all. This one fossilized tree offered
a direct contradiction to the evolutionary mantra that "the present is the key to the past"...

(Excerpt) Read more at icr.org ...


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To: GodGunsGuts

” The name polystrate (”many layers”) is used only by creationists. You will seldom find it in the standard literature, even though the related concepts are easily grasped.”

Ha Ha Ha!


61 posted on 10/23/2009 7:35:00 AM PDT by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater

Hmmm.. “not found” in any major online dictionaries either.

Good catch.


62 posted on 10/23/2009 7:36:54 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: mnehring

I would say they had the same minds, and probably better capability than we have today, but they did not have the measured data that we have. We have the luxury of having the electron micrograph of the X-chromosome, which when we see it, we know immediately what Moses was trying to convey. I find it fascinating that the book of Genesis is riddled with punchlines that take thousands of years for us to figure out. For example, the serpent’s head being crushed by a Woman’s heel has some Divine mirth about it. In high school physics we calculated that a stilleto on an average weight woman can pack about 2000psi.


63 posted on 10/23/2009 7:52:27 AM PDT by blackpacific
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To: xcamel; ColdWater
You are correct, the term polystrate is not technically a recognized geological term. The best way to describe it is a marketing term. There are many terms geologists use that describe either the speicific type of tree (eg. Cordaites), the time it was buried (eg. Paleoindian), location (eg. Joggins Formation) or how the object was buried (eg. Seismic Sedimentation). They had to make up their own word because to admit that 'evos' (or old earth creationists, or TE, or anyone that doesn't believe the earth is 6k years young) accept that Uniformitarianism accepts catastrophic events that can cause this and dismisses the argument that it can only happen by a slow gradual process. They attempt to back their opponents into an either-or corner where you must either accept that uniformitarianism only means 'gradual and slow with no variances' or you must believe in a 6k old earth. They falsely define the terms up front.

Normally I could understand this as a simple mistake caused by someone who doesn't understand the concepts or has never studied beyond their own circle of knowledge, but as I pointed out in a link above, these kind of questionable debate tactics come directly from their own "Baloney Detector". They are well aware of how to use these tactics and employ them every chance they can. Just like they warn people to look out for the "Baloney" of calling your opponent a "Nazi" yet, that is a tactic they use more often than I've seen most other groups use it.

64 posted on 10/23/2009 7:56:25 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: raygunfan
At the very least it shows that quite different layers of dposits can be laid down in short periods of time and this by flooding.

The Darwinists will allow that earth wide catastrophes from “snow ball earth” to “killer asteroids” but as Lewontin said, just don't allow a Divine Foot in the door!

65 posted on 10/23/2009 7:59:12 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: mnehring
It is the only bullet in their squirt gun, and it includes 'athiest'; 'christian hating'; 'evoloser'; 'satanist'; all the way up to 'Nazi';

It's been known as "going cartoony" for as far back as I can remember on the internet.

Once one "goes cartoony", there is no salvation.

66 posted on 10/23/2009 8:03:17 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: count-your-change

Pyroclastic and lahar events, not mythical global flooding events.


67 posted on 10/23/2009 8:07:49 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: whattajoke

St. Augustine already did that in his monumental work “On Christian Doctrine”. He used the word figurative. He did emphasize that love-of-God and love-of-neighbor must be the substratum from which to interpret the Biblia Sacra. An unbeliever picking up the text might not have good success with it if charity is not operative.

I have no problem with someone believing God meant 6 Earth days literally. I wasn’t there. I’m also willing to live a lifetime waiting for the answer to be told. If you believe that “time is the measure of motion”, then it may be the case that many strange effects, e.g. event horizons, occur when the material universe came to be ex nihilo.

It is also instructive to let the data speak, and not be constrained by obsolescent theories which may be hard for some to let go of. The trees standing in the face of an onslaught of kinetically sorted mud flows is instructive.


68 posted on 10/23/2009 8:13:22 AM PDT by blackpacific
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To: Buck W.

Way!!!


69 posted on 10/23/2009 8:14:01 AM PDT by blackpacific
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To: count-your-change
The Darwinists will allow that earth wide catastrophes from “snow ball earth” to “killer asteroids” but as Lewontin said, just don't allow a Divine Foot in the door!

Lost in this false dichotomy containing sentence is that the believers have no issue with allowing "Divine" catastrophic worldwide genocidal events controlled and created by a "loving God."
70 posted on 10/23/2009 8:15:45 AM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: whattajoke
Lost in your reasoning is whether The Creator of life has the right to decide what crimes are worthy of forfiture of that life.
But that's a problem isn't it? That God might actually call us to account for our actions at some point.

A global flood isn't so difficult for the Darwinists’ mind to accept as the idea that a God they don't believe exists may have caused it as a punishment for acts they don't believe exist, i.e., sin.

71 posted on 10/23/2009 8:47:52 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

“The Darwinists will allow that earth wide catastrophes from “snow ball earth” to “killer asteroids” but as Lewontin said, just don’t allow a Divine Foot in the door! “

Creation rationalizers don’t allow for evolution in an old earth being that Divine Foot.


72 posted on 10/23/2009 9:01:17 AM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: count-your-change

“Lost in your reasoning is whether The Creator of life has the right to decide what crimes are worthy of forfiture of that life.”

What did the animals who were not among the lucky pairs on the Ark do to deserve their fate?


73 posted on 10/23/2009 9:02:48 AM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: count-your-change
Lost in your reasoning is whether The Creator of life has the right to decide what crimes are worthy of forfiture of that life.

Pretty black and white. Your God is a vengeful and jealous God. Why is he worthy of my worship? He should stop having his son appear in grilled cheese sandwiches and concentrate more on stopping tsunamis and famine.

That God might actually call us to account for our actions at some point.

Or not. If you knew me, you'd most likely think me a rather caring and giving married father of a special needs child. Heck, you may even think me "Christian." But I'm not. I live a "moral" and good life but I don't live in fear of an invisible sky god. But then again, that has nothing to do with this thread.

A global flood isn't so difficult for the Darwinists’ mind to accept as the idea that a God they don't believe exists may have caused it as a punishment for acts they don't believe exist, i.e., sin.

A global flood is difficult for GEOLOGISTS to accept because there is no credible evidence of such. These fossil trees were understood over 100 years ago as localized events. And, as you know, there are millions of those who accept Darwin's theory AND are religious. I happen to not be one of them, but I am hardly representative.

And I certainly "believe" that bad deeds (aka, "sin") exist. I see it every day. I simply choose to not engage in it for personal and societal reasons. The high divorce rate among Evangelicals is but one tiny example that those who live in fear of a vengeful god are merely posturing.
74 posted on 10/23/2009 9:10:19 AM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: blackpacific

>>When a general statement is made, it takes only one counterexample to disprove it.<<

No general statement has been made. This is, at best, something interesting that requires further examination. It does nothing to TToE, as much as you people would like.

The Theory is quite intact, despite these attempts to pinprick it to death.


75 posted on 10/23/2009 1:58:55 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: count-your-change

>>That God might actually call us to account for our actions at some point.<<

And if He is a Just God, you will be called to account for your attempts to defraud His Children and make them ignorant and stupid.

>>A global flood isn’t so difficult for the Darwinists’ mind to accept as the idea that a God they don’t believe exists may have caused it as a punishment for acts they don’t believe exist, i.e., sin. <<

*sigh* You don’t get to define who doesn’t believe in God. God created this magnificent Universe with all kinds of complex rules — you just can’t grasp them, so you just say “God Make all, He like me for saying that.” Your attempt to curry favor with Him like a network currying favor with the TOTUS-reader is transparent to us, so it is certainly to Him.

Don’t conflate your willful ignorance with other people’s relationships with God.


76 posted on 10/23/2009 2:04:26 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: whattajoke
“A global flood is difficult for GEOLOGISTS to accept because there is no credible evidence of such. These fossil trees were understood over 100 years ago as localized events. And, as you know, there are millions of those who accept Darwin's theory AND are religious. I happen to not be one of them, but I am hardly representative.”

Evidently not so hard as you assume:

“01 January 2009 Early Earth ‘was covered in water’ [Keyword: earth ]
Earth was once a ‘waterworld’ much like the one depicted by Hollywood, scientists believe.

A new model of the early Earth suggests that until around 2.5 billion years ago oceans covered almost the whole of the planet.

Just 2% to 3% of the Earth's surface would have been dry land, compared with 28% today.

The Earth at that time may have resembled the way it looked in Waterworld, the 1995 post-apocalyptic sci-fi movie starring Kevin Costner.

New Scientist magazine reported: “As the mantle cooled, land would have gradually appeared as the oceans became deeper and regions of high relief on the continental crust formed.”

www.earthdive.com/site/news/newsdetail.asp?...true...

Now where have I read this before? Maybe in the first few chapters of Genesis? and I'm not talking about Noah.

“Pretty black and white. Your God is a vengeful and jealous God. Why is he worthy of my worship? He should stop having his son appear in grilled cheese sandwiches and concentrate more on stopping tsunamis and famine”

Maybe men should stop wasting billions of dollars on trying to find life on Mars and demonstrate their Darwinian derived morality and prevent famine. Or maybe spend a few dollars and good sense not to build right up to water's edge.
Much easier to blame God for human failings. Correctable failings.

” But then again, that has nothing to do with this thread.”

Has that ever been a problem in the past?

77 posted on 10/23/2009 2:34:44 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: blackpacific
Why don’t you ask God that question?

Your friends, the IDers say, there has been no response from God in the last few hundred million years and thus God must be dead.

78 posted on 10/23/2009 6:38:38 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: count-your-change

A new model of the early Earth suggests that until around 2.5 billion years ago oceans covered almost the whole of the planet.

Just 2% to 3% of the Earth’s surface would have been dry land, compared with 28% today.

The Earth at that time may have resembled the way it looked in Waterworld, the 1995 post-apocalyptic sci-fi movie starring Kevin Costner.


79 posted on 10/23/2009 7:30:13 PM PDT by ColdWater
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oops!

A new model of the early Earth suggests that until around 2.5 billion years ago oceans covered almost the whole of the planet. Just 2% to 3% of the Earth’s surface would have been dry land, compared with 28% today. The Earth at that time may have resembled the way it looked in Waterworld, the 1995 post-apocalyptic sci-fi movie starring Kevin Costner.

Glad to have you aboard this OL' Earth!

80 posted on 10/23/2009 7:38:58 PM PDT by ColdWater
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