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Genetic 'Crossing-over' Is No Help to Evolution
ICR News ^ | October 26, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 10/26/2009 8:56:51 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Shuffling genetic information has long been framed as a biological mechanism that can generate variety as well as fuel evolution. However, new details of a common cellular genetic shuffling process called “crossing over” reveal a tightly controlled system that operates under strict parameters and requires highly specified cellular machinery. It is as if each generation was programmed to have variation, and that variation had strict limitations—limitations that would preclude Darwinian evolution...

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To: GodGunsGuts

LOL LOL LOL LOL!!!!!

All he does is look at abstracts, interpret them wrong and tack on the “since this is complex, God must have did it.” paragraph sometimes with a bible verse added. As it said in the Dire Straits song”money for nothin’”

If you read any non”creationist science” stuff, LIKE A TEXTBOOK, you would know how bad his writing and your knowledge on biology is.


21 posted on 10/26/2009 2:37:14 PM PDT by Wacka
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To: Moonman62

Both “conserved” and “genome duplications” are loaded terms, as neither has been observed, but rather they are inferred based on evolutionary expectations.


22 posted on 10/26/2009 2:39:49 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Wacka

I have a feeling I read far more science papers, articles, and books than you do Wacka. Of course, I can’t confirm that...call it a hunch. But I have noticed that you are routinely behind the times when it comes to science. And I have also noticed that whenever you attempt to critique Brian Thomas and I investigate, it is you who prove to be in error...which is precisely what happened today.


23 posted on 10/26/2009 2:42:28 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Both “conserved” and “genome duplications” are loaded terms, as neither has been observed, but rather they are inferred based on evolutionary expectations.

They have been observed in the sense that widespread wetness outside means that it has rained.

BTW, whole genome duplications have been induced in plants and led to viable and desirable offspring.

24 posted on 10/26/2009 2:46:25 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Wacka
"I have also noticed that whenever you attempt to critique Brian Thomas and I investigate, it is you who prove to be in error..."

Did you notice that he investigates and concludes. If you don't believe him, just ask him. (note: he didn't mention that his investigation is most likely limited to asking Brian Thomas or another member of the amen posse)

25 posted on 10/26/2009 5:09:58 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: GodGunsGuts

Pseudoscientists often reveal themselves by their handling of the scientific literature. Their idea of doing scientific research is simply to read scientific periodicals and monographs. They focus on words, not on the underlying facts and reasoning. They take science to be all statements by scientists. Science degenerates into a secular substitute for sacred literature. Any statement by any scientist can be cited against any other statement. Every statement counts and every statement is open to interpretation. - Science and Unreason, Radner and Radner


26 posted on 10/26/2009 6:41:56 PM PDT by Ira_Louvin (Go tell them people lost in sin, Theres a higher power ,They need not fear the works of men.)
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To: Ira_Louvin
What specific evidence do you have that this occurred in this case?
27 posted on 10/26/2009 8:04:33 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Moonman62

Do you have any links for this...I’m genuinely curious. Thanks.


28 posted on 10/26/2009 8:40:56 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


29 posted on 10/26/2009 9:17:28 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: count-your-change
Are you kidding? To understand--if only in part--the methods He uses to create in no way detracts from the fundamental truth that is He creates. Why challenge His methods? If He chooses evolution as His path of creation how could that possible cause a problem for anyone?

He gave us the polio vaccine as a means of stopping the horrible evil of polio. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. Be grateful for the grace of understanding which leads to the ability to combat evil.

It is divine grace that gave us the understanding and the knowledge that enabled us to transfuse blood, transplant hearts, and cure leukemia! Be grateful.

An understanding of the process of evolution--if only an incomplete understanding--is a gift of divine grace. Be thankful.

30 posted on 10/26/2009 10:05:25 PM PDT by Savage Beast (29% of Americans think news organizations get the facts correct? No wonder we're in such a mess!)
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To: Savage Beast
I chose this brief sentence because it cuts to heart of the questions: “Why challenge His methods?”

How do you know Evolution IS God's method? How do arrive at the conclusion that evolution “—is a gift of divine grace”?

31 posted on 10/26/2009 10:57:20 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change; Savage Beast
The real question, in your arrogance, is
"What special holy wisdom do you claim to have, and the athority to say it's not.."
32 posted on 10/27/2009 3:49:06 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: xcamel

I see no reason to respond to your comments and won’t beyond this point.


33 posted on 10/27/2009 4:11:39 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change
Won't or Can't ????
34 posted on 10/27/2009 4:16:32 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: GodGunsGuts
I think Brian Thomas is one of the best science writers around right now.

BWAAAAAAhahahahahaha......that's because you do not live in the science world....don't read REAL "science writers." Brian Thomas MS* is a scientific moron that twists everything he sees to fit a false conclusion that Man walked the Earth with 100+ species of meat eating dinosaurs.

I read a lot of science, so I am speaking from experience here.

You read a lot of "science" and that gives you "experience" such that others should listen to your vast experience???? REAL science or Brian Thomas MS* "science"? REAL science or YEC, ICR, DI, ID, CreationSafaris "science"?

Very few writers are capable of boiling down complex subjects into easily digestible language like Brian Thomas does.

OH, I agree....very few science writers are able to "boil down"....read, "twist everything to the false conclusion that Man walked the Earth with 100+ species of large meat eating dinosaurs".....what they don't understand and get anyone to take them seriously.

when I investigate, it invariably turns out that it is the person who is making the allegation who got it wrong

Oh, I'm suuuuuuure you use all that investigative skills you learned in Admin school to look into the wild "scientific" claims Brian Thomas MS* makes.

That Brian Thomas MS* is taken serious by ANYONE is laughable.

35 posted on 10/27/2009 5:19:43 AM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (Didja know that Man walked with vegetarian T. rex within the last 4,351 years?)
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To: GodGunsGuts
The fact that Mr Thomas offers absolutely no empirical evidence to support his assertion, he only presents an Argument from personal incredulity

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36 posted on 10/27/2009 5:46:42 AM PDT by Ira_Louvin (Go tell them people lost in sin, Theres a higher power ,They need not fear the works of men.)
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To: ElectricStrawberry

MS* is this case meaning “Mostly Sh*t”


37 posted on 10/27/2009 6:26:29 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Do you have any links for this...I’m genuinely curious. Thanks.

First, the effects of polyploidy (a more general term for whole genome duplication) are easily observed with a microscope, and paleopolyploidy has been confirmed by recent analysis of genome sequences. There is no controversy about it having occurred.

If you want to learn more, you can do searches on terms like "polyploidy", "induced polyploidy", "colchicine polyploidy", "crops polyploidy", and "paleopolyploidy".

38 posted on 10/27/2009 12:10:48 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Except that it's already been observed.
39 posted on 10/27/2009 12:23:15 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Moonman62

A lot of crops are polyploid.

* Triploid crops: banana, apple, ginger, watermelon, citrus
* Tetraploid crops: durum or macaroni wheat, maize, cotton, potato, cabbage, leek, tobacco, peanut, kinnow, Pelargonium
* Hexaploid crops: chrysanthemum, bread wheat, triticale, oat, kiwifruit
* Octaploid crops: strawberry, dahlia, pansies, sugar cane


40 posted on 10/27/2009 4:02:57 PM PDT by Wacka
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