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Has the Afghan war already been lost? Poll
Youpolls ^ | 11-19-2009 | Politico

Posted on 11/19/2009 3:04:13 PM PST by DBlake

"It really doesn't matter how President Obama divides the Afghan baby, how he splits the difference between McChrystal and Biden. Because the war has been lost,"


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: belongsinchat; fredthompson

1 posted on 11/19/2009 3:04:18 PM PST by DBlake
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To: DBlake

When you have the power to exterminate the entire population, such a statement is entirely discreditable and assinine.


2 posted on 11/19/2009 3:08:01 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (IN A SMALL TENT WE JUST STAND CLOSER! * IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: DBlake

Former Sen. Fred Thompson today intensified his party’s criticism of President Obama’s long deliberation over policy in Afghanistan, announcing that Obama’s delay signals that “the war has been lost” and that nothing the president now does will “make any difference.”
“It really doesn’t matter how President Obama divides the Afghan baby, how he splits the difference between McChrystal and Biden. Because the war has been lost,” Thompson said on his radio show today. “I say this because of one sad and simple fact. The president does not have the will and determination to do what’s necessary to win it. His heart’s not in it, and never has been. The Taliban knows it. Al Qaeda knows it. Our allies know it. And the American people know it.

“Our enemies are now emboldened and our friends are discouraged. We cannot prevail if the American people are not willing to make the sacrifices necessary for an extended effort. The case has not been made to them to justify this effort. The case can only be made by the president. This president is unable or unwilling to make that case,” Thompson said.”


3 posted on 11/19/2009 3:08:29 PM PST by jessduntno (Obama is failing because he has no understanding of the American people, and may indeed loathe them.)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

“It really doesn’t matter how President Obama divides the Afghan baby, how he splits the difference between McChrystal and Biden. Because the war has been lost,” Thompson said on his radio show today. “I say this because of one sad and simple fact. The president does not have the will and determination to do what’s necessary to win it. His heart’s not in it, and never has been. The Taliban knows it. Al Qaeda knows it. Our allies know it. And the American people know it.
“Our enemies are now emboldened and our friends are discouraged. We cannot prevail if the American people are not willing to make the sacrifices necessary for an extended effort. The case has not been made to them to justify this effort. The case can only be made by the president. This president is unable or unwilling to make that case,” Thompson said.

FRed has spoken.


4 posted on 11/19/2009 3:08:46 PM PST by omega4179 (0 is an embarrassment to us all.)
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To: DBlake

Same page;

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=6509

You Poll

Has Obama proven to be a huge mistake?

Yes, without any doubt 55%
Leaning to yes 11%
Not sure but worried 0%
Leaning to no 11%
No, things will turn in 2010 23%

You voted: Yes, without any doubt

This is not a scientific survey, click here to learn more. Results may not total 100% due to rounding and voting descrepencies.


5 posted on 11/19/2009 3:10:13 PM PST by jessduntno (Obama is failing because he has no understanding of the American people, and may indeed loathe them.)
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To: DBlake
Yes, I'm afraid I have to agree with you. Rules of engagement, lack of timely personnel support, and bureaucratic response to IED profligation are resulting in the deaths of the most precious citizens of this country.

Brave soldiers, doing their duty, mostly in small groups alone and unafraid are dying for a country ruled by a leader that wants them gone. It makes me want to cry.

6 posted on 11/19/2009 3:10:48 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: omega4179

Yes, well there isn’t much you can do when the “president” and those who voted for is him are as much the enemy as Osama bin Laden.


7 posted on 11/19/2009 3:12:58 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (IN A SMALL TENT WE JUST STAND CLOSER! * IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: Gaffer

The media, Walter Cronkite in particular, convinced the country we were losing in Viet Nam when we weren’t. Yet we’re making the same mistakes we made then in Afghanistan now. Are we trying to win or trying to get out? Are our troops fighting with both hands tied behind their backs and dying for nothing? Wars are meant to fought by the military, not by politicians - and especially by a politician who never served in the military. At this point I wonder if we just shouldn’t leave because our Dear Leader will make no commitment. Not to win, hell not to even try to win. Why waste the lives of the greatest military the world has ever known if you won’t at least attempt to win?


8 posted on 11/19/2009 3:17:23 PM PST by RonInNaples
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To: jessduntno
Has Obama proven to be a huge mistake?

Obama wasn't a mistake. Sometimes the only way to get rid of one POS (R) is to put up with another POS (D) for awhile. Cast out Baalzebub with Satan.
9 posted on 11/19/2009 3:19:26 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (IN A SMALL TENT WE JUST STAND CLOSER! * IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: RonInNaples

I was around and in the military during the time of which you speak. What you’ve said is precisely why I’m disheartened. When you contrast our capability (google “the Warrior Song” and watch the video) with the reality of our sychopantic media steadfastly hawking our failure in lockstep to Obama’s indifference to our forces’ plight is just heartbreaking. Our leaders should be damned to hell for eternity.


10 posted on 11/19/2009 3:22:01 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

I can have a 44 magnum in my hand and it is just a hunk of metal if I am paralyzed by fear.


11 posted on 11/19/2009 3:25:36 PM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: Gaffer

We either stay there & spend more money that will bring us to our demise sooner or get out now & save the dollars & lives of these outstanding soldiers. There is no win. There seems to be no way we will fight these Muslims in our nation. This nation has been trashed economically, spiritually & morally. It’s government is one of the most corrupt. It’s time all get straight with the Creator.


12 posted on 11/19/2009 3:25:48 PM PST by Digger (If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election)
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To: RonInNaples

“Why waste the lives of the greatest military the world has ever known if you won’t at least attempt to win?”

AMEN!


13 posted on 11/19/2009 3:25:51 PM PST by bricklayer
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To: DBlake

The determining poll on this issue was taken over one year ago.


14 posted on 11/19/2009 3:31:43 PM PST by nkycincinnatikid
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To: Gaffer

>>It makes me want to cry.<<

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What should make you want to cry is that we have a spineless Congress that supports this “leader” in his quest to destroy this country.


15 posted on 11/19/2009 3:49:56 PM PST by 353FMG (Save the Planet -- Eliminate Socialism)
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To: DBlake
I only agree with Fred to the extent he accurately predicts what Obama will do in the future, i.e. not allow the fight to be pressed home. I think this can still be turned around if the POS in Chief gives McChrystal the tools he needs. Plus, interesting things are happening in Pakistan where the Taliban have gone to war against ISI as well as the Army, so maybe they will resume the fight in NW Frontier Province.

That said, I have to admit Zero has sent a terrible message to our enemies and is displaying a clear lack of resolve, which will make our military's job much tougher. If he refuses to give McChystal what he needs and puts Afghanistan on a Vietnam like timetable to withdraw, I agree, we've lost.

16 posted on 11/19/2009 3:52:44 PM PST by colorado tanker (What's it all about, Barrrrry? Is it just for the power, you live?)
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To: DBlake

How would we know if we’ve won?


17 posted on 11/19/2009 3:56:03 PM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: Gaffer

I was too young for Viet Nam but three of my cousins and my step-brother were there. They sure never thought we were losing. There was a real disconnect for me between the evening news telling us how we were getting the snot beat out of us and the best thing we could do would be to surrender and run and the things my family said about the war.

I just don’t understand how Obama needs so much time to make a decision. Every damn day you wait another of our brave soldiers loses their life. If you’re planning on cutting and running, then just say so and do it. But don’t leave those brave men and women out there to die while you play golf.


18 posted on 11/19/2009 4:00:01 PM PST by RonInNaples
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