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Wired: “Birth of New Species Witnessed by Scientists”
AiG ^ | November 21, 2009

Posted on 11/21/2009 9:59:49 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

Scientists have watched as a new species is “born”—or is that “evolved”?—on one of the Galapagos Islands, home of Darwin’s famous finches...

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1 posted on 11/21/2009 9:59:50 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

So what species gave birth to this new species?


2 posted on 11/21/2009 10:03:24 AM PST by NeoConfederate
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To: NeoConfederate

Genetic variation within the bird kind, then reproductive isolation.


3 posted on 11/21/2009 10:05:19 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

Ping!


4 posted on 11/21/2009 10:06:54 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: NeoConfederate
What dreamer darwinists are. Where is a picture of this bird, I think that is what the meandering explanation was about. When the drought is over things will evolve back again.
5 posted on 11/21/2009 10:14:47 AM PST by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Deceptive headline. The “new” finches appear to be some sort of mutation, and they had trouble reproducing.


6 posted on 11/21/2009 10:15:57 AM PST by smokingfrog (I'm from TEXAS -- what country are YOU from?)
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To: NeoConfederate

They bred two finches from a different island. The offspring interbred, because the local finches wouldn’t breed with them. So they had several generations of inbred finches. Nothing remarkable about them. No evolution. No new species. Non-story.


7 posted on 11/21/2009 10:20:32 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Variation within species has been observed again. That’s nice.


8 posted on 11/21/2009 10:21:30 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

will the new species taste good with drawn butter? “Heck, I’d eat my own head with drawn butter” (Crow T. Robot)


9 posted on 11/21/2009 10:22:59 AM PST by isom35
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To: BykrBayb
They bred two finches from a different island.

From what the article implied, although it wasn't clearly stated, it sounded like the scientists played a role in this breeding.

That would merely be intelligent design all over again.

Of course, with the definition of *species* being so elastic and vague, it's easy to *prove* that a *new species* has *evolved*.

10 posted on 11/21/2009 10:25:21 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: BykrBayb

Obviously, there was something genetically or visually wrong with the first bird because the females didn’t want to breed with him. They refused to pollute the gene pool.

That or birds are racist!


11 posted on 11/21/2009 10:26:44 AM PST by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
If inbreeding amongst abnormal specimens is the key to creating a new species then it might explain some people I have met from back in the hills. It might also explain why Pakistani politics are so confusing to the rest of the world.
12 posted on 11/21/2009 10:29:42 AM PST by dog breath
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13 posted on 11/21/2009 10:30:20 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: metmom

This is all true. Of course, it keeps coming back to the fact that there was no new species.


14 posted on 11/21/2009 10:32:20 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb

Even if this were true, which I doubt, it would be Micro Evolution, and nobody denies that, not Macro Evolution of which there is no proof what so ever.


15 posted on 11/21/2009 10:34:20 AM PST by fish hawk (It's sad that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom. Isaac Asimov)
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To: GodGunsGuts

The snappers and growlers will be ‘evolving’ in 3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . .


16 posted on 11/21/2009 10:35:06 AM PST by YHAOS
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To: GodGunsGuts

Prove it.

I foresee a startling discovery in the near future. There have been thousands of these “new” finches inhabiting some valley someplace for thousands of years.

Like the difference between a greater and lesser prairie chicken.


17 posted on 11/21/2009 10:36:57 AM PST by mamelukesabre (Pray for Obama...Psalms 109:8)
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To: mamelukesabre

I’m not sure exactly what it is you asking me to prove.


18 posted on 11/21/2009 10:42:25 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom
That would merely be intelligent design all over again.

Not that intelligent, unfortunately. Intelligent design would allow for the evolution of viable species. I realize that the "science" of Intelligent Design does not allow for evolution, but I see no reason why it shouldn't. The idea that a divine entity could design a plan that, once set in motion, could evolve into a universe of almost infinite complexity, only makes the concept of that Creator even more awesome.

19 posted on 11/21/2009 10:43:30 AM PST by giotto
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"Intelligent design would allow for the evolution of viable species. "

So cars aren't intelligently designed because man didn't allow for their evolution.

20 posted on 11/21/2009 10:48:37 AM PST by DannyTN
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