Posted on 12/04/2009 4:47:27 PM PST by cycle of discernment
OFFICIAL REQUEST BY CONGRESSMEN TO SEE OBAMA’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE WILL BE THE STRAW WHICH BREAKS THIS CAMEL’S BACK
Political analysis by John Charlton
Obama's presidential campaign was hailed for its forceful imagery, but after 11 months the public has come to understand the undisputed facts about him, don't fit the requirements of the U.S. Constitution.
(Dec. 4, 2009) — Georgia’s representative in the U.S. House, Nathan Deal announced in early November that he and 10 House colleagues were going to sign a joint letter, asking Obama to publicly reveal his birth certificate,.
The simple enough question was rebuffed and ridiculed by the Main Stream Media, and even the Savannah Morning News, as if a birth certificate was some sort of private journal or diary of past affairs.
The mere fact that the liberals and progressives ridiculed Nathan Deal — whose only interest is to quiet the nation — shows that they have no substantive reason to oppose the request. It further shows that they know that Obama cannot oblige Deal and his co-signatories, for in Democratic circles nothing is a secret.
What will Obama say to Nathan Deal? The answer must come soon. Deal said that he was to send his letter after Thanksgiving. Any delay on the part of Barack Hussein Obama to oblige Deal, will only further erode his political influence in Washington, D.C..
Obama has been effectively checkmated by the concerted effort of public support, publicized lawsuits on the eligibility question, publicity campaigns such as those of World Net Daily and Charles Kerchner to put the issue in the face of liberals on a constant basis, and blogs and bloggers the world over.
If Obama obliges him, then the online image of a Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) provided by his campaign will be proven a forgery, according to the consensus of opinion of citizens who have studied the images posted on the net and found some images of the allegedly same document, contain a HI State seal and some do not.
If Obama does refuses, however, it will only further confirm that he has something to hide.
Palins remark that it is a valid issue and Ogden’s resignation as Deputy U.S. Attorney General in the same week, following the sending of Nathan Deal’s letter, appear to be diagnostic signs that the political establishment understands the risks and imminent crisis about to break. The publicity garnered by the testimony of the U.S. Marine, who goes by the nik, Race Bannon, only further tilt the Obama regime towards political implosion.
Even the pulse of Obama’s political support on the net tells the tale: a lull and quiet among them posting comments at opposition blogs is noticeable. There remain only the violent, the perverse and the somewhat mad to carry on the cheers of “Change,” which were the mind numbing drum beat of the Obama for American campaign, just 14 months ago.
The political momentum of the nation now follows diverse roads to the same destination, and the resulting fireworks are going to be much brighter and invigorating than those of any Fourth of July in many a year!
Of course, no one has actually seen a COLB of 0bama’s. An image resembling same was posted on the internet. No actual person has held a paper one in hand or view the paper one with eyeballs.
The EO that you reference didn’t seal Obama’s personal records. The EO relates to presidential records held in the national archives.
Pay attention.
My ping was not a “whack-a-mole” ping. It was just a regular old ping. And in that ping I presented two issues for discussion.
As usual, those disrupting the discussion on the thread are birthers.
No, but a hard copy of a COLB containing the state seal and registrar's signature does.
Last time I checked, being born in the hopstial is not a presidential eligibility requirement.
So even in the highly unlikely event that the long form says it was a home birth, I really don't see why that matters.
What's that hospital's name? Queens or was that Kapi'olani? LoL!
Obama and every single member of his family have consistently said he was born in Kapi'olani.
The fact that a UPI reporter and student newspaper got their facts wrong and said it was Queens doesn't mean anything.
This ilk certainly does. :)
Good. Why won't he cough up the $10 it would take to get one?
Hint: When the only people who claim to have had a copy in their hands have absolutely no experience in detecting counterfeit documents AND they are ardent 0bama supporters, it does not constitute adequate "proof" to any rational observer.
You, I am sure, are totally convinced. Or at least you are paid to say you are...
My guess is that the term “natural born citizen” is not defined in the Constitution because the definition was commonly understood. How likely is it that a definition used by a Swiss philosopher, who’s work was not readily available to the average guy in Colonial America, would trump the British definition that the colonists had lived with? Not likely IMHO, particularly since there doesn’t seem to be much contemporaneous discussion of the issue that has been passed down to us.
He did, and he had it photographed, and he made those photographs publicly available. I'm not sure what else you would have him do, short of him sending you a personal copy.
Hint: When the only people who claim to have had a copy in their hands have absolutely no experience in detecting counterfeit documents AND they are ardent 0bama supporters, it does not constitute adequate "proof" to any rational observer.
Perhaps, but when the director of public health for the state of Hawaii officially verifies that the state vital record also shows he was born in Hawaii, I don't think there's much room for any rational person to doubt it.
You have a hard time following logic. If Obama wasn't born in a Hawaiian hospital also means no doctor delivered him. That would lead to the big question where was Obama born? Then it was most likely a witness signed an affidavit to the state of Hawaii saying he/she saw his birth in the state.
Obama and every single member of his family have consistently said he was born in Kapi'olani.
Reports have said he was born in Queens hospital.
The fact that a UPI reporter and student newspaper got their facts wrong and said it was Queens doesn't mean anything.
The facts is you don't have the facts because Obama has kept the facts from you.
I don't see why anyone would care whether he was born in a hospital or at home. Why do you think it would wound him?
So?
Reports have said he was born in Queens hospital.
So? Are you implying that the UPI reporters and students writing for school papers are infallible?
He has NEVER said that the documents shown on the internet (Hey, it's on the internet-it must be true!) are authentic.
Perhaps, but when the director of public health for the state of Hawaii officially verifies that the state vital record also shows he was born in Hawaii, I don't think there's much room for any rational person to doubt it.
"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai'i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai'i..."
The problem being that the same department can also verify that Chiang Kai-Shek was born in Hawaii, as it can also do for any number of foreign born children adopted by Hawaiians.
I guess it depends on your definition of what the word "in" is.
So? This is so --> If Obama's birth certificate was obtained by witness affidavit, the birth witness very likely lied to the state of Hawaii. Obama could NOT have been born in Kapi'olani hospital, now could he?
So? Are you implying that the UPI reporters and students writing for school papers are infallible?
You pick and choose what the 'facts' are you want to believe in ... followed your "infallible" logic.
Fact: We do not know for a fact if Obama was born in Hawaii.
Yup. Obama is keeping the plausible deniability card in his hip pocket if that COLB blows up in his face. I don't think he will be able to get away with it since an Obama campaign spokesman Ben Labolt told the LA Times that it was his COLB, but I'm sure he would try.
It would raise qustions of why would he have concealed a BC that doesn't show anything "bad" or disqualifying. It would increase the chance that the original was fraudulently filed, since as I said, a home birth to the daughter of his grandparents would have been highly unusual in '61, more so in some ways that in the late 60s or the 70s. Thus it would cast more suspicion, and inquiry into the certificate. If it was signed only by his (white) Grandmother, and his mothers signature turns out not to match other signatures of hers, well then it would be highly likely that it was fraudulently obtained.
You do have a point there, I stand corrected.
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