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Can Evolution Explain Altruism in Our Children?
ICR News ^ | December 8, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 12/08/2009 7:52:39 PM PST by GodGunsGuts

esearch has shown that humans like to help, even before they are old enough to have been taught how to do so. This innate characteristic distinguishes humans from their supposed closest evolutionary family member, the chimpanzee, which doesn’t demonstrate the same altruistic behavior.

In studies on the subject, at only 18 months old, toddlers were observed to consistently aid unrelated adults in simple tasks such as opening a door or picking up a clothes pin. Researchers assumed then that altruism, or unselfish concern for the welfare of others, evolved early in humans. But does this conclusion necessarily follow from the observations? ...

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To: heartwood

I think this will help you understand God a little.

http://www.mbbc.us/resources/bibleconcepts.doc
http://www.mbbc.us/resources/

God creating all things good and Adam’s sin corrupted it.


41 posted on 12/09/2009 5:08:39 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: GladesGuru

Evolution is a smart god, he’s a jerk, but he’s smart.


42 posted on 12/09/2009 5:13:17 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: spirited irish

My sister has an autistic son. She told me there’s a movement that claims Autism is the next step in evolution because altruism is bad for our species.


43 posted on 12/09/2009 5:17:39 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: xcamel

You might like God if you got to know Him.


44 posted on 12/09/2009 5:20:00 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
I don’t think God will take kindly to evos who try to convince humanity that the altruistic behavior of HIS little children is the product of random processes plus survival.

How about when they soil their diapers?

Not to mention that "random processes plus survival" is a strawman for evolution.

45 posted on 12/09/2009 5:23:31 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Moonman62

Even in lower species, where symbiosis might be considered a form of altruism


46 posted on 12/09/2009 5:29:37 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: xcamel
I hadn't thought about that, but you're right. How about mitochondria and chloroplasts?

Another thing is that evolution is more about survival of the fittest species than survival of the fittest individual.

47 posted on 12/09/2009 5:51:53 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

Wait a minute—are you saying this Thomas bozo, in making his argument, cites to an authority whose research indicates the exact opposite of the central claim Thomas is making? Did I read that correctly?


48 posted on 12/09/2009 6:02:26 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Welcome to the world of creationists.. and their ‘scientific’ hogwash.


49 posted on 12/09/2009 6:10:47 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: xcamel

What the heck is a “M.S.,” and how do I go about making certain that my nieces, nephews, and friends’ children never get one?


50 posted on 12/09/2009 6:17:08 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

“Master of Snakeoil”


51 posted on 12/09/2009 6:22:36 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Natural Law; GodGunsGuts; Jim Robinson

Sorry, but as a mod, I can tell you Jim’s permission to post these stories in News/Activism is a directive and was not just implied. You really shouldn’t waste time trying to debate the subtleties of that point.


52 posted on 12/09/2009 6:32:28 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: Natural Law
Foot...It Not Just For Breakfast Anymore
53 posted on 12/09/2009 6:54:17 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GodGunsGuts; All

Reminds me, I meant to send you these, they’re so applicable now.

Series (second and third parts in sidebar):

Crises of the World:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCl1IgGfxIA&feature=channel

How to Think

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MooGE6FwaY&feature=related

Identity Crises

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYnkGU71-fA&feature=related

We are in Two Wars

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEVi1kw1YL8&feature=PlayList&p=48C7D05B6AB5C35B&index=0&playnext=1

The Death of God

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUvSuIE4Ja0&feature=related

Psychology and Psychiatry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChF4P7PIx4I&feature=related

False Compassion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXQP3UJnagM&feature=related

Caring

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFcyFA6jLCc&feature=related


54 posted on 12/09/2009 6:56:37 AM PST by AliVeritas ( Pray folks. Psalm 109:8)
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To: demshateGod
My sister has an autistic son. She told me there’s a movement that claims Autism is the next step in evolution because altruism is bad for our species.

If you google up *autism* and *evolution*, you'll get links.....

It takes all kinds......

55 posted on 12/09/2009 7:00:30 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
So THIS is "defending religious freedom"????

BTMS* lies again:

No other animal needs or uses the uniquely human capacities for cooperation to hunt or find food successfully

OBVIOUSLY, dear BTMS* needs to do his research before spewing such an untruth. Insects do this very thing, many mammal species do this very thing....many fish species do this very thing, many birds do this very thing....

The best science writer indeed...

56 posted on 12/09/2009 7:09:23 AM PST by ElectricStrawberry (Didja know that Man walked with 100+ species of large meat eating dinos within the last 4,351 years?)
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To: Natural Law; GodGunsGuts

For the record, instead of quote mining, let’s print the whole comment, even the part about God creating things.....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2402077/posts?page=119#119

“I love science. Just like evolution, it’s one of God’s greatest creations. It’s the gift that keeps on giving. God creates everything for a reason. He created you and me. He created GGG, xcamel and all FReepers and placed us all here together on FR for a reason. He even created the duck billed platypus for a reason. Mine is not to question why or even to do or die. To God Be the Glory.”

FWIW, creationists live science as well. We just don’t love the abuse of science for gain of political or ideological ends, or as a weapon with which to bash religion and Christianity and Christians.


57 posted on 12/09/2009 7:10:57 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

You stumping for some kind of martyr’s award or something ??

I mean you are just sooooo oppressed and misunderstood...


58 posted on 12/09/2009 7:14:16 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: GodGunsGuts

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altruism_in_animals

# Dogs often adopt orphaned cats, squirrels, ducks and even tigers.[6]
# Dolphins support sick or injured animals, swimming under them for hours at a time and pushing them to the surface so they can breathe.[7]
# Wolves and wild dogs bring meat back to members of the pack not present at the kill.[citation needed]
# Male baboons threaten predators and cover the rear as the troop retreats.[citation needed]
# Gibbons and chimpanzees with food will, in response to a gesture, share their food with others of the group.[citation needed]. Chimpanzees will help humans and Conspecifics without any reward in return.[8]
# Bonobos have been observed aiding injured or handicapped bonobos.[9]
# Vampire bats commonly regurgitate blood to share with unlucky or sick roost mates that have been unable to find a meal, often forming a buddy system.[10][11]
# Raccoons inform conspecifics about feeding grounds by droppings left on commonly shared latrines. A similar information system has been observed to be used by common ravens.[12]
# In numerous bird species, a breeding pair receives support in raising its young from other “helper” birds, including help with the feeding of its fledglings.[13] Some will even go as far as protecting an unrelated bird’s young from predators [14]
# Most mammal carnivores like wolves or dogs have a habit of not harming pack members below certain age, of opposite sex or in surrendering position (in case of some animals, the behavior exists within entire species rather than one pack).[citation needed]
# Vervet Monkeys give alarm calls to warn fellow monkeys of the presence of predators, even though in doing so they attract attention to themselves, increasing their personal chance of being attacked.[15]
# Walruses have been seen adopting orphans who lost their parents to predators.[16]
# Some termites release a sticky secretion by fatally rupturing a gland near the skin in their neck. This autothysis defends against invading ants by creating a tar baby effect


59 posted on 12/09/2009 7:55:17 AM PST by GSP.FAN (These are the times that try men's souls.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

“These researchers have shown exactly what the Bible has been saying all along, that humans are well-designed moral creatures who have fallen from their original perfect relationship with their Creator. But thank God, He has revealed the Way out of this fallen state.”

Thank God for that.


60 posted on 12/09/2009 8:11:11 AM PST by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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