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Not So Private Property?: Clean Water Restoration Act Raises Fears of Land Grab
Fox News ^ | 12/14/09 | Fox News

Posted on 12/14/2009 4:03:24 PM PST by American Dream 246

Upwards of 40 percent of all land in the United States is already under some form of government control or ownership -- 800 million to 900 million acres out of America's total 2.2 billion acres. The government now appears poised to wield greater control over private property on a number of fronts. The battle over private property rights has intensified since 2005, when the Supreme Court ruled in the Kelo v. City of New London case that the government could take property from one group of private landowners and give it to another. Outraged over that ruling and a series of recent efforts by government to wield greater control over private property, citizens are fighting back. Fox News' Shannon Bream takes a fair and balanced look at the controversy in a three-part series. The Clean Water Restoration Act currently pending in the U.S. Senate could reach to control even a "seasonal puddle" on private property. Eleven senators and 17 representatives in the U.S. House have sent a letter to Majority Leader Harry Reid and Speaker Nancy Pelosi blasting the measure as one of the boldest property grab attempts of all time.

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KEYWORDS: 111th; agenda; cleanwater; education; elections; fascism; feingold; government; healthcare; landgrab; lping; military; obama; obamacare; palin; politics; rapeofliberty; teaparties; wisconsin
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1 posted on 12/14/2009 4:03:27 PM PST by American Dream 246
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To: American Dream 246

They had a huge land grab in NJ.

Called it the Highlands Act, in the guise of protecting the water supply.

More like grand theft.


2 posted on 12/14/2009 4:05:40 PM PST by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: American Dream 246

If you live in Michigan, Florida, or Louisiana, this has the potential to give the feds authority to seize the entire state.


3 posted on 12/14/2009 4:06:25 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: American Dream 246

Thanks to all the Freepers who saw no difference between McCain & Hussein.


4 posted on 12/14/2009 4:06:43 PM PST by Jacquerie (It is only in the context of Natural Law that our Declaration & Constitution form a coherent whole.)
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To: American Dream 246

Control the food and water....control the people.


5 posted on 12/14/2009 4:06:56 PM PST by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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To: American Dream 246

Until we retake America, the Feds will continue to usurp States rights.


6 posted on 12/14/2009 4:08:39 PM PST by Indy Pendance (Gone Galt)
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To: Jacquerie

You are aware that this has been moving forward since Clinton was in office? Frankly I wouldn’t be surprised to find John McCain supporting it.


7 posted on 12/14/2009 4:09:04 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: Jacquerie

Don’t blame me. I voted for Sarah!


8 posted on 12/14/2009 4:09:30 PM PST by American Dream 246
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To: American Dream 246

No offense, Sarah would have been only VP, and biding by McCain’s policies. We’d be dealing with McCain and his
reaching across the aisle crap. At least now the socialists are out there for the country to see, exposing themselves daily. I’m glad Sarah lost, she’s gearing up for the next phase without the shackles of a McCain campaign.


9 posted on 12/14/2009 4:12:36 PM PST by Indy Pendance (Gone Galt)
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To: American Dream 246
HEY MODERATOR - WHAT IS GOING ON??? Not only you remove ALL my breaking posts, but ALL MY TOPICS are gone!!! Are you from the other side? If yes, you'd better go away for good because here, IT IS FREE REPUBLIC for pete sake!!!

Or you'd better give me a good explanation NOW. This happened a good 10 times now in teh last month. SEIU???
10 posted on 12/14/2009 4:13:15 PM PST by American Dream 246
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To: American Dream 246

Look up the Coastal Zone Management Act. The government is eroding private property rights one zone at a time.


11 posted on 12/14/2009 4:14:05 PM PST by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: Indy Pendance

Well, I must confess I had bad thoughts...sorry God...I thought the guy was pretty old so maybe Sarah would be president for 8 years...one can dream.


12 posted on 12/14/2009 4:14:59 PM PST by American Dream 246
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To: ladyvet
Molon Labe doesn't just apply only to guns.........

just sayin'

13 posted on 12/14/2009 4:17:28 PM PST by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: Indy Pendance

I think Sarah would have been able to get John’s ear on a lot of issues.


14 posted on 12/14/2009 4:17:59 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America.)
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To: American Dream 246

I just read your ‘Sarah Palin Christmas’ thread a few minutes ago...still there.


15 posted on 12/14/2009 4:18:12 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Jacquerie

It was between a slow bleed and an aputation. We got the amputation. It is easier to stop a slow bleed.


16 posted on 12/14/2009 4:20:03 PM PST by del4hope (Believing in charity for the poor, not enabling those who can via theft from taxpayers)
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To: who knows what evil?

OK..my post is back in breaking. Let’s see for how long..


17 posted on 12/14/2009 4:20:13 PM PST by American Dream 246
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Perhaps, would he have listened? She’s not his sidekick anymore, and the shackles of McCain are removed, but he did propel her to the national scene. This is a good thing. The BEST thing McCain did was introduce the country to Sarah.


18 posted on 12/14/2009 4:20:46 PM PST by Indy Pendance (Gone Galt)
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To: who knows what evil?

Thank you :-) - I am glad this one staied there. Jim loves Sarah so with a bit of luck Palin’s posts should survive the shredder - hopefully.


19 posted on 12/14/2009 4:21:47 PM PST by American Dream 246
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To: Indy Pendance

Until people start to go all Carl Drega on them, the Feds will continue to usurp States rights.

It’s always a bad idea to take a proud and motivated people and rub their noses in defeat and contumely.


20 posted on 12/14/2009 4:24:59 PM PST by Noumenon (Work that AQT - turn ammunition into skill. No tyrant can maintain a 300 yard perimeter forever.)
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To: American Dream 246

Around here, lots of farmers have ponds to water the cattle. We have 5, in fact. This is really ominous.


21 posted on 12/14/2009 4:31:48 PM PST by MizSterious (Do you not think an angel rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm? John Page, 1744-1808)
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To: Jacquerie; American Dream 246

McCain endorsed Hussein, I heard him with my own two ears say that “he would make a good president”.

I voted Bolton/Palin.

NO MORE RINOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


22 posted on 12/14/2009 4:33:52 PM PST by panaxanax (It's time to start plucking the chickens and boiling the tar.)
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To: ladyvet

Nearly 100% of elected officials in DC are COLLECTIVISTS. It doesn’t matter if you are the lowest hanging fruit, or the big dog like GE. The goal is to take whatever percentage of your life energy, and give it to another. Usually they take it from the middle class, give it to the poor, overseas ventures, or to pay back the nearly $400,000,000,000 we own annually in interest payments on past debt. Add in the $2,000.000.000.000 trillion in deficit spending annually, we will within the next 7 years owe over a TRILLION DOLLARS each budget cycle, to service past debt. 4 trillion, 5 trillion, even 10 trillion dollar budgets are in sight. IOW, the end of the financial world as we know it. The culprit, entitlement spending. Purposely enslaving this generation, the next one..and the next one...and the next one. The only way out, is to elect people that are believers in the Constitution completely. It is either that, or the bullet box. It is impossible to incrementally change the nations course. It has to be done in a big push. Is anybody ready?


23 posted on 12/14/2009 4:38:16 PM PST by runninglips (Lame-stream media, ignoring the stories that are too important to cover)
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To: Noumenon
Not to pick at nits but I'm pretty sure Drega went off on a couple of local jerkoffs who just wouldn't stop f'ing with him.

But your point is well taken. The people who are going to 'enforce' this crap will live in the area. It'll be some Regional Sub-Director who has a house in town, goes to the movies, drinks at the local watering hole.....

L

24 posted on 12/14/2009 4:40:25 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Noumenon
Until people start to go all Carl Drega on them

I predict some of our finest engineers will see to it that the government is no longer able to function properly.

Imagine a couple of million government workers working with paper and pencil trying to handle their business.

It's there for the plotting.

25 posted on 12/14/2009 4:51:30 PM PST by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: American Dream 246

The Democrats are using WA state as a precedent for these water issues and property rights grabs. Property rights lawyers from national groups have been circling my county all year, saying that my county has some of the most egregious violations of property rights in the whole country. They are waiting for the county to take someone to court, so they can use the case to go to court.


26 posted on 12/14/2009 4:54:26 PM PST by Eva (Obama bin Lyin)
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To: cripplecreek

If it rains where you live, this has the potential to give the feds authority to seize your land.


27 posted on 12/14/2009 5:12:06 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The Second Amendment. Don't MAKE me use it.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Michigan is a swamp. This was taken less than 100 yards from my house below the dam.

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I live above the dam less than 30 feet from the lake and no more than 3 feet above it.
28 posted on 12/14/2009 5:18:12 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: cripplecreek

I went to Detroit earlier this year and was surprised at the amount of swampy land around the area.


29 posted on 12/14/2009 5:39:59 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The Second Amendment. Don't MAKE me use it.)
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To: American Dream 246

Is anyone surprised?


30 posted on 12/14/2009 5:57:41 PM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I would have hated to be an early explorer or soldier trying to fight my way though here before there were roads. I live on the Raisin river (River Raisin traditionally) which was named after the wild grape vines that are so common around here.

Back in 1812 an entire division of Kentuckians were massacred by the British and indians here in the battle of the River Raisin. Out of a total of some 700 soldiers, only 15 or 20 made it home. Apparently several Kentucky counties are named after men who died here. (Just some nearly forgotten history from the area)


31 posted on 12/14/2009 6:04:00 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: cripplecreek

What??


32 posted on 12/14/2009 6:11:06 PM PST by PatriotGirl827 (Pray for the United States of America!)
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To: ladyvet

“You can take my life, but you can never take my FOOD!”


33 posted on 12/14/2009 6:13:58 PM PST by I Hate Obama ("Sorry I had a fight in the middle of your Black Panther Party." -Forest Gump)
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To: PatriotGirl827

Removing the word “Navigable” will pretty much include all water. If you live in a swampy state they will have a lot of leeway to tax or fine you off your property.


34 posted on 12/14/2009 6:16:12 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: ladyvet
Control the food and water....control the people.

Throw in health care and the boot is firmly on the neck...

35 posted on 12/14/2009 6:17:02 PM PST by GOPJ (Journalists as BaghdadBobLite - Global Warming Scientists as ElmerGantry - what's happening?)
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To: cripplecreek

Beautiful.


36 posted on 12/14/2009 6:17:44 PM PST by GOPJ (Journalists as BaghdadBobLite - Global Warming Scientists as ElmerGantry - what's happening?)
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To: GOPJ

Yeah, Michigan extends well beyond the borders of Detroit.


37 posted on 12/14/2009 6:29:33 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: cripplecreek

This is the way they will try to bring their heavy hand of control over us rural folk. We scare them. They tried it here...once. They had such a negative response they hightailed it out. But it never occurred to me, and others, they wouldn’t be back thinking they had even more power. Well, so do we. SO DO WE!!!


38 posted on 12/14/2009 6:35:31 PM PST by MestaMachine (Your CORE is the path you walk. RINOs don't walk paths, they build roads to nowhere..)
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To: cripplecreek

Wow that is pretty.
sorry your life is going to be H*** if this CW thing gets passed.


39 posted on 12/14/2009 6:38:10 PM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

40 posted on 12/14/2009 6:45:48 PM PST by SunkenCiv (My Sunday Feeling is that Nothing is easy. Goes for the rest of the week too.)
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To: MestaMachine

The Movie “Southern Comfort” comes to mind.

Cajun Trapper: I ain’t gonna kill y’all if I don’t got ta... you got a bayou over dere... take it... stay to the west side... you’re gonna find a road about a mile up dere.

Hardin: Do you mind tellin’ us what the Hell this is all about?

Cajun Trapper: It real simple... we live back in here... dis is our home, and nobody don’t f##k with us.

Hardin: [pointing at Bowden, who is hanging dead from a tree] What about HIM?

Cajun Trapper: What about ‘im?

Hardin: Did he do it to himself or did your friends help him out?

Cajun Trapper: [fires shot at Hardin’s feet] Now, if I was you all, I’d quit askin’ questions and haul ass... ‘cause my buddies... dey not nice like me.


41 posted on 12/14/2009 6:45:53 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allerious; ...
"Well, this bill removes the word 'navigable,' so for ranchers and farmers who have mud puddles, prairie potholes -- anything from snow melting on their land -- all of that water will now come under the regulation of the Army Corps of Engineers and the Environmental Protection Agency," he said.



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42 posted on 12/14/2009 6:51:10 PM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: bamahead

Gangsterhood, from sea to shining sea.


43 posted on 12/14/2009 6:58:22 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: bamahead
We're already supposed to get approval from the Army Corps of Engineers before putting in a permenant dock where I live now.
44 posted on 12/14/2009 7:03:28 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: American Dream 246

Do we just rent from the government or will we ever actually ever OWN the property we live on?


45 posted on 12/14/2009 7:17:01 PM PST by GraceG
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To: GraceG
This too will be settled in the coming Revolution.

They can attempt to take all they want, but in the end WE WILL TAKE BACK THIS COUNTRY!

FRIGGIN TRAITORS!

46 posted on 12/14/2009 7:26:15 PM PST by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: unixfox
FRIGGIN TRAITORS!

That they are...but half the country does not seem to care. We will also be fighting our own neighbors I fear.

47 posted on 12/14/2009 8:30:47 PM PST by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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To: ladyvet

Don’t forget the American Revolution....the first one, that is....

One-third of the colonists wanted to fight the British in order to form an independent nation....

One-third of the colonists were loyal to the British Crown;

One-third didn’t care one way or the other....they just wanted to see which side came out on top, and then they were going to throw their support to the winning side.
That’s how it all went down from 1775 - 1783.


48 posted on 12/14/2009 8:58:44 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (A Jimmy Carter got us a Ronald Reagan.....a Barack Obama will get us a Sarah Palin)
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To: American Dream 246

This is not right. This government no longer represents the citizens of this great nation. It is time to clean this mess up and send all those who wish to destroy, and subvert the rights of the people packing. It is time for citizen to return this country to the founding principles by whatever means necessary.


49 posted on 12/14/2009 9:05:57 PM PST by reader25
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

I mentioned to my spouse the other day that it seemed that the “in our face - who cares what you think” attitude they have while they strip us of our rights and our freedoms is as if they are trying to start civil unrest to impose marshal law as soon as possible. Some of us will not be so compliant.


50 posted on 12/14/2009 9:39:05 PM PST by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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